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Old 03-29-2012, 03:01 PM   #1
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What is a Z28 - Between the ZL1 and 1LE?

To me it does not matter if the ILE forum is combined with the Z28 forum. Although option or not the 1LE and the Z28 have the same mission in my feeble mind. Unless the 1LE turns out to be even more trackable than the possible eventual Z28. Another opinion I have is we will not see a Z28 until the Camaro gets smaller.

Still, people who are interested in a low cost (ahem) trackable car need a place to discuss the released info, ordering, QC holdups, and eventually the delivery and tracking of the car. And let the modding begin!

So I wonder, exactly what is the Camaro 5th Gen Z28 now that we know just about all of the possible hardware involved?

The ZL1 is not only a Track and a Drag missle, it has high technology to also allow it to be an smooth everyday car and cruiser. No doubt, it is the most awesome Camaro ever and very worthy of the ZL1 name. 2013 GT500 or not. With all that technology and Camaro heavy duty re-engineering the car has weight, insurance, cost, and milage penalties that make it a car for those with a good amount of disposable income who are not a fan of physics. The ZL1 defies those principles.

The 1LE is the lean opposite. It includes everything you need to go faster, except engine mods, that you need to go fast and very little else. To me this this is the hard stuff to improve if you tried to start with an SS. I have. More power from the LS3 is silly easy. And the 1LE makes no pretense about being an every day car. Although I for one like the idea.

I think the 1LE is the long rumored to exist "Track Pack" that has been under development for some time maybe disguised as a Z28/ZL1.

So Chevrolet has made a big investment in the ZL1 and 1LE developing specific go fast parts for two low volume cars. Do we expect them to develop a third set of components?

So to those who think the Z28 is very different from both HiPo cars, how would you build a Z28? What is the overall goal of the car? What existing parts would you use and what parts would you need developed? Is a breathed on LS3 Okay? It probably would be a bit peaky. Or do you have to have the 427? I do love that number of cubic inches too. Where should pricing start? Allow all options?

We do have to keep in mind there is not a ton of development money or time as a whole new Camaro is in the works. And making significant weight savings with the 5th Gen would make the car very expensive. Maybe an ATS based Z28 is what you want where weight savings is a design mantra from the start.

To me the 1LE and Z28 fans are the same people. But how should the cars differ?

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What would/should/will an "real" Z/28 contain?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149090

Two ways (at least) to go:

1LE, PEDDERIZED, breathed on (underhood)

...or...

1LE, MRC, bhp (LS3+, LS7, LT-1)

BOTH would split the $40 (1LE) to $54 (ZL1) starting points, both would exceed the 1LE, and (depending on venue) both would eagerly chase BIG Brother (ZL1)...
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I think you ask a valid question that we all need to ask and answer.

As with most Z28 fans, I want the Z28 to live up to its heritage. Sadly this presents a problem when people use the 4th gen as a main example.

Now the 1LE came to be in 1988 as a showroom stock race car on top of the Z28 or IROC-Z if you prefer (all Z28's were IROC-Z's starting in 1988). This also held true during the 4th gen cars. Since for most of the buyers now only remember the 4th gen and its heritage this poses a problem.

So that leaves us with where to put a Z28 in the line up.
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Old 03-29-2012, 04:37 PM   #5
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There's NO dilemma...not here, and not at GM...

Would a ZEE be less than a 1LE? No...

Would it be greater than a ZL1? At some venues, it might...but, generally, no...

1LE+, or ZL1-Lite...take your pick.

Does that jive with "History"? Who cares...but it WILL be thus...
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To make a Z28 start with the 1LE and add:

LS7
6/4 2 Piece Brakes
Full Aero Kit
Hot Wheels Hood
Hot Wheels Wheels
Mono Tube Suspension 4 Corners (Pedders) (MRC Optional)
Race Designed Bucket Seats
Leno Front Fascia
Euro Rearend

Allow !SS and 2SS treament to please larger group.

Price it in the mid $40's+
Goal of the car? To be the Baddest N/A Camaro ever!

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What would/should/will an "real" Z/28 contain?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149090

Two ways (at least) to go:

1LE, PEDDERIZED, breathed on (underhood)

...or...

1LE, MRC, bhp (LS3+, LS7, LT-1)

BOTH would split the $40 (1LE) to $54 (ZL1) starting points, both would exceed the 1LE, and (depending on venue) both would eagerly chase BIG Brother (ZL1)...
I like your #1. We can mod the 1LE ourselves or Chevy can fill in the gaps and put the badge on. The Z28 is heading in the direction of a more intense track car.

#2 will get expensive fast. MRC adds to the expense and makes it difficult for us to make "improvements". Also does a Z28 want to baby its driver with a nice ride? And doesn't MRC complicate entering in real track events?

But then again maybe it doesn't so much now if the Z28 comes in at ZL1 dollars. There already is a "bargain" track car.
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To make a Z28 start with the 1LE and add:

LS7
6/4 2 Piece Brakes
Full Aero Kit
Hot Wheels Hood
Hot Wheels Wheels
Mono Tube Suspension 4 Corners (Pedders) (MRC Optional)
Race Designed Bucket Seats
Leno Front Fascia
Euro Rearend

Allow !SS and 2SS treament to please larger group.

Price it in the mid $40's+
Goal of the car? To be the Baddest N/A Camaro ever!
I like this Z28 version. The trick will be at that price point.
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There is no general Z28 consensus here.

So as near as I can tell the current idea of a Z28 is:
  • 1LE + Mods from our suspension vendors to make car even more track only + more power + Z28 badge.
My #1 1LE wish is better seats. Doesn't have to be Recaros, just better for keeping you in front of the steering wheel.
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Say what?

You need to read the Z28 threads. We came to agreement sometime ago.
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Say what?

You need to read the Z28 threads. We came to agreement sometime ago.
I must have missed it. Where is that post? It should be a sticky.
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...the LS7 has consistantly been picked the weapon of choice to use in a Gen5 Z/28 as Lowdown and 2cnChance have detailed. Many others feel this way as well and it has been widely discussed in depth in the Z/28 threads....seems like the "natural" <as in "aspirated" > choice. Now...maybe they ought to beef up the LS3 like so many others say can be done easily. And I agree, it wouldn't take much. It's already available from GMPP with over 500 HP, the stock LS3 with a more aggressive cam will stoke the fires...but we have to bring in that "recertify" word again. If they don't want to offend the "Vette crowd by letting us borrow the LS7, then let's turn up the wick in the GM engine development department on the LS3, and recertify it < and assembly line produce it>. That's the only two choices I see. One or the other....Damn the torpedo's...full speed ahead...
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I must have missed it. Where is that post? It should be a sticky.
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