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Old 04-10-2012, 09:45 AM   #1
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Arrow Has anyone ever had warranty voided?

Ok has anyone voided their warranty with a tune, headers, etc.. and you took your car to the dealer and they think the car is still under warranty? Like I know some dealers are oblivious to that kind of stuff, but have they fixed something for free because it was under warranty even though it was voided and they didnt know?
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:46 AM   #2
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Ok has anyone voided their warranty with a tune, headers, etc.. and you took your car to the dealer and they think the car is still under warranty? Like I know some dealers are oblivious to that kind of stuff, but have they fixed something for free because it was under warranty even though it was voided and they didnt know?
My dealer told me they'll still warranty the car even if I get headers and a tune.
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:48 AM   #3
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Most dealers are not oblivious as to what will void a warranty. Its at the dealers discretion.
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:48 AM   #4
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My dealer told me they'll still warranty the car even if I get headers and a tune.
ah, thats not fair! lol delete "an" and change "idiot" to AWESOME!
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:55 AM   #5
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My dealership always tries to get me to Tune/put headers on/put a new cam in/supercharge it/ect whenever i stop by. All under warranty :-) THR FTW
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:04 AM   #6
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My dealership always tries to get me to Tune/put headers on/put a new cam in/supercharge it/ect whenever i stop by. All under warranty :-) THR FTW
WOW! lol I wonder if mine is like that...
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:27 AM   #7
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WOW! lol I wonder if mine is like that...
LOL there aren't many dealers like Tom Henry.

I bring my guys at Smith cookies and little treats and things, so they love me, and they are always checking out Bella when I bring her in.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:31 AM   #8
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Headers and a tune does not "void" your warranty. It puts at risk some parts of your warranty.

By law the warranty is only voided on parts for which the manufacturer/dealer can prove that you headers and tune or other mods caused the problem you have. Of course some dealers may try to convince you otherwise or try to blame unrelated problems on your tune but that is not all dealers or automatic.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:36 AM   #9
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Headers and a tune does not "void" your warranty. It puts at risk some parts of your warranty.

By law the warranty is only voided on parts for which the manufacturer/dealer can prove that you headers and tune or other mods caused the problem you have. Of course some dealers may try to convince you otherwise or try to blame unrelated problems on your tune but that is not all dealers or automatic.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:47 AM   #10
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headers,warranty = forced induction, warranty=
Tune, warranty = Cat back + intake

Unless your dealer agrees ahead of time.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:05 AM   #11
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Headers and a tune does not "void" your warranty. It puts at risk some parts of your warranty.

By law the warranty is only voided on parts for which the manufacturer/dealer can prove that you headers and tune or other mods caused the problem you have. Of course some dealers may try to convince you otherwise or try to blame unrelated problems on your tune but that is not all dealers or automatic.
You are correct for the most part but when you get a tune it is a bit of a game changer.

The tune in your ECU (Electronic Control Unit) controls every aspect of the engine’s operation: fuel and ignition maps, variable valve timing, rev limits, speed limiters, and many other functions. From the factory your car’s tune is set pretty conservatively in an effort to strike a balance between performance, emissions, fuel mileage, and reliability. Air/fuel ratios are generally a little rich and ignition timing is generally retarded to reduce the likelihood of detonation. Rev limits are set low to reduce wear and stress. And on and on it goes. Adjusting many of these setting will result in more power and better performance but, like almost all performance upgrades, it is a give and take. A leaner fuel map and advanced timing will add power but leaves you more vulnerable to detonation. A higher red line allows you to run out a little longer but at the cost of additional wear and an increased risk of a catastrophic failure. An experienced professional tuner is capable of writing a well balanced customized performance tune, but the OEM manufacturers (AKA: the guys who are ultimately on the hook for the warranty) see it differently.

The OEM manufacture’s stance is that a change to the stock tune exposes the engine and drive train to unknown and untested stresses that can negatively impact reliability. Because of the unknown consequences of this additional stress it is their policy to cancel all remaining engine and drive train warranty. Below are PDF copies of Ford and GM service bulletins laying out their policies on the matter.

GM 09-06-04-026A

Ford 11-7-7

If you get a tune and then have an engine or drive train problem you are most likely going to have a serious uphill battle. The thing to keep in mind is that the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) still applies so they can not just deny the repairs on the basis of the tune alone.
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My dealer actually keeps trying to weasel me into putting a supercharger or twin turbo's on my car. It's horribly tempting since they said they'll warranty it...
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:10 AM   #13
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My dealer assured me my shorties, mids, exaust etc wont void my warranty, thy did say tuning(why I went with shorties) would but their pretty decent ppl, Im sure the more I spend the more thy'll turn a cheek to any mods tht "void" anything...well withn reason lol
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:27 AM   #14
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My local dealer (not the one I bought the car from) told me they'd warranty it even if I got headers and a tune done at a different shop! Now all I need is a pile of money to fall out of the sky and into my lap.
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My dealer actually keeps trying to weasel me into putting a supercharger or twin turbo's on my car. It's horribly tempting since they said they'll warranty it...
Do they mean they will warranty to install or that they will not void your warranty?

Oh and btw, if we all looked as good as you, all of our dealers would treat us better
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:48 PM   #16
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Do they mean they will warranty to install or that they will not void your warranty?

Oh and btw, if we all looked as good as you, all of our dealers would treat us better


They meant as long as they do the install, they will warranty the work and keep my existing warranty (B2B and Powertrain)
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They meant as long as they do the install, they will warranty the work and keep my existing warranty (B2B and Powertrain)
Wish my dealer was as mod friendly as yours... Do you mind taking my car to the dealership for me?
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OP, you will get varying answers so you'll have to find out for yourself, based on your own scenario.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:18 PM   #19
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Wish my dealer was as mod friendly as yours... Do you mind taking my car to the dealership for me?
I've bribed them with cookies and Chevroletrabilia... it's kinda sad when everyone in their shop knows me by name I never know if they're actually happy to see me or cussing me in the back of their minds since I'm there so much

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Old 04-10-2012, 01:26 PM   #20
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They voided my power terrain warranty but kept all the rest.
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As some people have touched on, your warranty is not a single "yay or nay" based on any mod you have done. I have spoken with the head mech at the largest chevy dealer close to me and despite all of the dealers choice talk, the part has to be a direct mod of a factory part to void that piece of the warranty as they do not cover after market parts.

Example #1: I have a super charger and new fuel injectors so if I have a bad injector or do something to my main engine it is on me.

Example #2: I have not changed my clutch yet or drive train so they will cover that. So, as the stock clutch is supposed to be rated at 450ish HP, if it went out they still have to cover it BUT if I wanted to change it to say some JEGS double clutch that is rated for 600+ hp, I could buy the parts and they would install it for free.

Now all dealers may not disclose this or give you that info but if you know your stuff they have to make good on the product and labor they already sold you.
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Won't happen duhkoduh. Tell your sister to keep my back at the dealer and I'll go get headers and a tune
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My dealership always tries to get me to Tune/put headers on/put a new cam in/supercharge it/ect whenever i stop by. All under warranty :-) THR FTW
hmmm i might have to get my 2013 zl1 from your dealership then lol, mine was pissy about me putting on a cool air intake ><
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I've bribed them with cookies and Chevroletrabilia... it's kinda sad when everyone in their shop knows me by name I never know if they're actually happy to see me or cussing me in the back of their minds since I'm there so much
So I need to bribe them with cookies and a cute blonde? I think this was much easier when all I needed was the blonde...
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They meant as long as they do the install, they will warranty the work and keep my existing warranty (B2B and Powertrain)
What they really mean...probably... is that they will give you an aftermarket warranty perhaps backed by the dealer. You would not have a GM drivetrain warranty. If you brought it in with a drive train issue they may try to pass it on to GM but if you took it to a different dealer you would not have a warranty.
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