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Old 05-06-2009, 10:41 AM   #1
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Please Help! R6P - but my dealer doesnt know about pre April or intro pricing!!!

OK, good news and bad news...
Good News is my dealer called me and told me my car is being shipped TODAY! Hooray!!!

Bad news...
The window sticker and MSRP is defintely NOT reflecting the prices before IOM exterior paint became an extra charge, and the factory installed stripes went from $395 to $470 (and the auto went from 995 to 1185)

My dealer is telling me he isnt aware of any price increase and never received any memo or correspondence saying he has to honor pre-order pricing, nor how much prepricing is... He told me if I have anything to bring it in.

I have a pre-order pricing sheet I printed off of this website, and printed another member's letter from GM saying that they are entitled to "introductory prices", but no indication what those prices are.

Is there ANYTHING I can show him or tell him so that he will honor preorder pricing? Anything Official? Do I Call GM Customer Care (all they do is call the dealer anyway...) PLEASE HELP!
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:26 AM   #2
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PM camaro scotty and see what he can dig up. Or ucf woot. They know everything
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Here's the old pricing... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8239
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:34 AM   #4
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If the sticker or build sheet says R6P, then that should be enough proof.
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If the sticker or build sheet says R6P, then that should be enough proof.
The problem is there's been very little in the way of communication from GM stating that preorders would be price protected. The R6P code doesn't mean squat to a dealer.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:47 AM   #6
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The problem is there's been very little in the way of communication from GM stating that preorders would be price protected. The R6P code doesn't mean squat to a dealer.
My dealer told me that the R6P code basicaly generated the Welcome Packet.
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The problem is there's been very little in the way of communication from GM stating that preorders would be price protected. The R6P code doesn't mean squat to a dealer.
What UCF said is correct. I have the "preorder" pricing printed from the link above, but there's nothing "official" about it. I could jsut as easily print something that says the Camaro is $1, and the dealer wouldn't honor that either.

I did call Customer Care, and they called my dealer direct to "inform" them of pre-order pricing. Now it's just up to the sales manager to honor that or not. My "written deal" is MSRP on 10/28, now if the dealer wants to claim that's the window sticker price, I'm afraid that's the best I can do...

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Old 05-06-2009, 11:55 AM   #8
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Or you could look at this way. Your dealer knows COMPETELY about the R6P pricing AND the money HE'LL get back. He's just playing dumb so he doesn't have to share. My dealer was very careful when I ordered back in January to say "You'll pay the price on the sticker, no more." Of course pricing wasn't out then but, when the pricing increase came and I called him about it, he repeated the "Price on the sticker" line to me. Thankfully the only thing I was affected by was the destination charge going up $45. I was already at the premium paint price for RJT and $470 for the dealer installed stripes.

Plain and simple, the notice that came out was SUPPOSED to be for dealer's eyes only. Thanks to some honest dealers however, we were able to have it released here and know about it. The dealer is under NO obligation to honor pre-April pricing if they don't want to, unless you have a signed piece of paper with an actual price on it. Otherwsie, I'd ask, but don't expect too much. They are "salesmen" after all (Sorry Scotty )
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:05 PM   #9
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Bottom line is this:

The day you go to pay for your Camaro, buy yourself some Vaseline and pull your pants down..

Please don't ban me!!! I got the same "price on sticker" line as well.
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:11 PM   #10
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So the pre-order, w/ R6P code, window stickers have the new pricing and not the old?

How is that the "price protection" they promissed? So I guess it was never "promissed" to the customer after all.

Good luck to all getting this one straightened out at your dealer. I'm sure I'll end up paying the MSRP on the sticker.
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So the pre-order, w/ R6P code, window stickers have the new pricing and not the old?

How is that the "price protection" they promissed?

Good luck to all getting this one straightened out at your dealer.
Agreed. Without more support from GM, it's going to be next to impossible for the majority of us to get the protected price. Thanks GM!
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from what i've read on the forums, the dealer is supposed to be credited the difference. the dealer aint letting go of that money if you ask me and that is why they are saying that you have to pay the new price
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I agreed to window sticker pricing with my dealer, so anxious to buy the car that I didn't think about price increases. The last time I went by to see their demo car, I mentioned to my salesman that they were pocketing extra money due to the price increase and he said no GM keeps that. So do they really not know or are they playing us for fools?
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:17 PM   #14
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Well, after GM Customer Care contacted my dealer, he made it like it was "no big deal", although to me he sounded clearly annoyed. He said something like, ok thats just a $75 difference, and I said no, the IOM premium should be taken off as well, so he said, OK. I guess all is good, but my dealer still made me "battle" for it! We finalized on pricing, and now I am eagerly waiting for my Camaro to arrive.

I wish I had advice for other R6P preorders out there, but like some other posters said, unless you have a specific price in writing, you are pretty much at the mercy of the dealers. "MSRP" in this case could change (and probably will) at any time.

Good luck all... I'll post pictures when it comes!!!
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I agreed to window sticker pricing with my dealer, so anxious to buy the car that I didn't think about price increases. The last time I went by to see their demo car, I mentioned to my salesman that they were pocketing extra money due to the price increase and he said no GM keeps that. So do they really not know or are they playing us for fools?
I think it's

Any one care to enlighten us?
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Well, after GM Customer Care contacted my dealer, he made it like it was "no big deal", although to me he sounded clearly annoyed. He said something like, ok thats just a $75 difference, and I said no, the IOM premium should be taken off as well, so he said, OK. I guess all is good, but my dealer still made me "battle" for it! We finalized on pricing, and now I am eagerly waiting for my Camaro to arrive.

I wish I had advice for other R6P preorders out there, but like some other posters said, unless you have a specific price in writing, you are pretty much at the mercy of the dealers. "MSRP" in this case could change (and probably will) at any time.

Good luck all... I'll post pictures when it comes!!!
Sounds like calling customer service is going to have to do. Sounds like it worked out for you.
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Me thinks me like the idea...but since my order won't be pulled for a while, I don't wanna try

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Hear is the letter statement that tells the dealer how to price your vehicle and get refund/credit. Sorry if it looks huge I just scanned it in and posted. RPO mentioned some time ago it really depends on what your deal was. He after discussion with his Owner decided that his customers with R6P would get the old pricing. It gets down to doing the right thing again. If 45.00 is a make or break on your deal you should not be buying it. On the paint upgrade....Just pray your dealer honors the letter below.
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I agreed to window sticker pricing with my dealer, so anxious to buy the car that I didn't think about price increases. The last time I went by to see their demo car, I mentioned to my salesman that they were pocketing extra money due to the price increase and he said no GM keeps that. So do they really not know or are they playing us for fools?
I would think the OWNER of the dealership knows for sure, but maybe not the peon salespeople who are the front lines that we deal with everyday. End result, SOMEONE at the dealship knows. Like I said in my original post, we weren't supposed to KNOW about the price protection, which GM offered to the DEALER. Plain and simple, GM will invoice the dealer at the new price and then, if an R6P car, give them the difference back in some dealer open account. All of this is based on INVOICE price BTW so it's not like the dealer is making an extra $470 on your IOM paint job.

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Agreed. Without more support from GM, it's going to be next to impossible for the majority of us to get the protected price. Thanks GM!
Why would GM support us in this? We aren't supposed to know about it. So they realized they had to raise the price a little, but didn't want their (GM's) customers (the DEALERS) bitching about price protection. So they gave it to them. Read the memo again, it's NOT for public consumption and I'm sure whoever released it could be in some hot water with GM. That said, I'd love to have the original pricing (even if it only saves ME $45), it's just that its a fight between me and the DEALER, and like it or not, GM is simply a 3rd party outside the matter.
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I agreed to window sticker pricing with my dealer, so anxious to buy the car that I didn't think about price increases. The last time I went by to see their demo car, I mentioned to my salesman that they were pocketing extra money due to the price increase and he said no GM keeps that. So do they really not know or are they playing us for fools?
Same boat here. I agreed to MSRP. It never occured to me when I ordered in October that there would be a price increase between the start of production and when my car was made. I mean, hell, I was #1 at my dealer. How long after the start of production could it take.

And it really never occured to me (if I'm understanding all of this correctly)that there would be "price protection" where the dealer will get the difference back, (because the window sticker won't reflect the locked-in price) and they have the choice whether to "honor" the difference or not.

I mean really, WTF is up with that.
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I guess now is when we could really use some help from Camaro Scotty- What is he doing or going by? If we (R6P'rs) are really supposed to have been price protected, and Camaro Scotty knows this, he would know what to do. If he doesn't have the solution, we certainly can't expect our dealer to know.
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Why would GM support us in this? We aren't supposed to know about it. So they realized they had to raise the price a little, but didn't want their (GM's) customers (the DEALERS) bitching about price protection. So they gave it to them. Read the memo again, it's NOT for public consumption and I'm sure whoever released it could be in some hot water with GM. That said, I'd love to have the original pricing (even if it only saves ME $45), it's just that its a fight between me and the DEALER, and like it or not, GM is simply a 3rd party outside the matter.
Ummm GM sent an email to all customers stating that preorders were price protected.
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I guess now is when we could really use some help from Camaro Scotty- What is he doing or going by? If we (R6P'rs) are really supposed to have been price protected, and Camaro Scotty knows this, he would know what to do. If he doesn't have the solution, we certainly can't expect our dealer to know.
I wouldn't expect too much from Camaro Scotty, his hands are probably tied in this matter. Straight from the memo posted above;

"This pricing information is intended for use by authorized Chevrolet dealers and should not be disclosed to unauthorized persons"

Plain and simple, WE are UNauthorized. I may be wrong, but if Scotty spoke on this matter he could get in trouble with GM. I personally wouldn't ask him to do that anymore than I would ask the guys on the line in Oshawa to disclose more than they are able to about the production. It's unfair to them as they are the only ones potentially at risk.

It's a bummer, but this is a dealer by dealer issue. Some of us will be ok and some won't, but there is NOTHING short of a signed agreement with PRICE that can protect the pricing us R6P guys agreed to.
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Ummm GM sent an email to all customers stating that preorders were price protected.
Really?!?! I didn't get one. I suppose they sent this out at the time of the price increase? If you have a copy, I'd love to see it.
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Really?!?! I didn't get one. I suppose they sent this out at the time of the price increase? If you have a copy, I'd love to see it.
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