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Old 05-06-2009, 01:54 PM   #1
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Stock 2010 GT500 vs. Magnuson 2SS

Okay, I know this particular scenario is going to get played out at some point, so I thought I would be preemptive and offer this comparison between a 2010 2SS RS Camaro with the TVS blower kit installed and a stock 2010 GT500. Please feel free to comment or correct me if I have made an incorrect assumption in the comparison.

First, let me spell out what I am comparing to be sure there are no misunderstandings about what is being represented.

1) I am basing the comparison between a 2010 GT500 with a MRSP of $49,000 (base MSRP of $48,475[including destination and gas guzzler tax] + $525 HID headlight option) to a 2SS manual Camaro with the following options (RS package, ground effects package, IO interior package and hood strip kit) that would make it comparable to what you get with a base 2010 GT500. In this configuration, the Camaro would MSRP around $38,660.

2) The difference in price between the two cars, as optioned, would be $10,340.


As delivered, the GT500 would be 100% stock from the factory featuring 540HP and 510TQ with a full factory warranty and a driveline engineered to support the power levels it is making. It’s curb weight would be ~3925lbs.

Now, let’s assume that we wanted to up the ante on the performance level of the Camaro with the addition of the new Magnuson TVS 2300 blower kit. This kit MSRP’s at $7,400 complete, and it is estimated that it would cost an additional $700 or so to have it professionally installed. (Yes, you could save money by doing it yourself, but then if something goes wrong, you’re screwed.) This brings the total cost for the 2SS to $46,760 and should get you in the neighborhood of 565HP and 550TQ by all credible estimates.

In this configuration, the Camaro will have, in all likelihood, voided its factory power train warranty, will be making much more power than the driveline was engineered to handle and would have increased its curb weight by at least 100lbs, bringing its total curb weight to around 3960lbs.

So, in the end, you would have a modified Camaro making more power (565hp/550TQ) than a stock GT500 (540hp/510tq) but with a greater curb weight, no factory warranty, a drive train that is not engineered for the power its making and a price tag that is within $2,240 of what you would have paid for a 2010 GT500 with a full factory warranty and tons of room to grow in power with the stock drive train should you ever elect to forego the factory warranty.

And that is not even taking into account the fact that if/when you go to sell the GT500, it’s residual value will be based on a GT500 not a Mustang GT whereas the Magnuson-fortified Camaro will have the same resale value as its normal 2SS brethren despite having over $8,100 in additional parts and labor in it.

Hmmmm….I’m still in the corner of the GT500 in terms of what you are getting for your $$, all things considered.
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Old 05-06-2009, 01:59 PM   #2
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I'm curious to see how you know how much the Camaro's drivetrain can handle.
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:05 PM   #3
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So, in the end, you would have a modified Camaro making more power (565hp/550TQ) than a stock GT500 (540hp/510tq) but with a greater curb weight, no factory warranty, a drive train that is not engineered for the power its making and a price tag that is within $2,240 of what you would have paid for a 2010 GT500 with a full factory warranty and tons of room to grow in power with the stock drive train should you ever elect to forego the factory warranty.
Sir, 565hp for the camaro is RWHP. the 540hp u claim for the rustang is BHP, which will probably result in at around 450rwhp.

Yes the drive train is not engineered for the power, neither is the rustang, except the motor. i'm sure if u got ur rustang to 560rwhp, clutch, rear, driveshaft wont handle that as either.
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I just cant get into the comparing Ford Premium Sports Car to GM's secondary one even at the price point off the showroom floor.
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No matter how you look at it there will always be some sort of Chevy whoopin your ass.
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:17 PM   #5
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Sir, 565hp for the camaro is RWHP. the 540hp u claim for the rustang is BHP, which will probably result in at around 450rwhp.
No, the 565HP I quoted was at the crank. I've been playing with high-horsepower cars for 20 years now; I know the difference between crank and rear-wheel HP. A stock LS3 makes, on the high end, about 384rwhp. I'm saying a Magnuson equipped Camaro will safely and dependably make about 515-520rwhp.

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Yes the drive train is not engineered for the power, neither is the rustang, except the motor. i'm sure if u got ur rustang to 560rwhp, clutch, rear, driveshaft wont handle that as either.
My "Rustang" is making over 650rwhp as I drive it every day on the stock drive train, exhaust, fuel system, etc. and it has made multiple drag passes on the same components at 700+rwhp on many occasions. I'd say you need to spend a little time on researching the GT500 before you post comments you can't back up.

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No, the 565HP I quoted was at the crank. I've been playing with high-horsepower cars for 20 years now; I know the difference between crank and rear-wheel HP. A stock LS3 makes, on the high end, about 384rwhp. I'm saying a Magnuson equipped Camaro is safely and dependably make about 500-520rwhp.

My "Rustang" is making over 650rwhp as i drive it every day on the stock drive train, exhaust, fuel system, etc. and it has made multiple drag passes on the same components at 700+rwhp on many occasions. I'd say you need to spend a little time on researching the Gt500 before you post comments you can't back up.
How much do you have in your GT500? including cost of the car?
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Also, what makes you think that is all the stock drivetrain on the SS can handle???????????????????? I love the way you lean so heavily to the mustang but try to look as though you are open minded and NOT bias!!!!
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For $200.00 you can buy the drivetrain warr. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!!
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if it the LS3 will handle the boost at 550whp then that will be a monster car
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:37 PM   #10
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No matter how you look at it there will always be some sort of Chevy whoopin your ass.

Doesn't matter what you drive, there will always be someone who can beat you. See, I'm not a "Ford" guy, so I have no problem with a "Chevy" beating me. From the sound of your attitude, you would have a problem if a Ford beat your Chevy.

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Also, what makes you think that is all the stock drivetrain on the SS can handle???????????????????? I love the way you lean so heavily to the mustang but try to look as though you are open minded and NOT bias!!!!
That would be biased not, bias. And where did I ever say the stock Camaro drivetrain could not handle that additional power? I said it was not engineered to do so and therefore, it would be suspect until it is proven otherwise. The GT500 drivetrain is a known quantity. Reading comprehension is your friend.

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How much do you have in your GT500? including cost of the car?
~$49,000

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Sir, 565hp for the camaro is RWHP. the 540hp u claim for the rustang is BHP, which will probably result in at around 450rwhp.

Yes the drive train is not engineered for the power, neither is the rustang, except the motor. i'm sure if u got ur rustang to 560rwhp, clutch, rear, driveshaft wont handle that as either.
No it's not. MAYBE if your including every bolt on (that haven't even been made), including dangerously high boost/timing curves.
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I do agree with others though in that the driveline is an unknown variable.
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the guy who said the mustang won't be able to handle 550rwhp is right (they can handle 450rwhp safely), but the SVT cars (terminator and shelby) definetely can. they are enginereed to be able to handle that power.
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