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Old 05-06-2009, 03:41 PM   #1
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Chicago Dealer Just Called.......

Phillips Chevy south of Chicago just call me. called them because i saw on autotrader.com they had what i ordered. well, they didn't then (2 weeks ago).

he calls today and says they have 2 2SS's and 1 2LT for sale. 1 of the 2SS's is my specs only with a sunroof. so i say "i'll pick it up Saturday so long as you're doing GMS." he said, "no, we're at $2000 over MSRP on all of them."

i then replied "no wonder you can't sell em', my offer stands for GMS." he wished me luck............

seemed like a nice guy, too bad management has to rape folks.
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Old 05-06-2009, 05:25 PM   #2
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Phillips Chevy south of Chicago just call me. called them because i saw on autotrader.com they had what i ordered. well, they didn't then (2 weeks ago).

he calls today and says they have 2 2SS's and 1 2LT for sale. 1 of the 2SS's is my specs only with a sunroof. so i say "i'll pick it up Saturday so long as you're doing GMS." he said, "no, we're at $2000 over MSRP on all of them."

i then replied "no wonder you can't sell em', my offer stands for GMS." he wished me luck............

seemed like a nice guy, too bad management has to rape folks.
Hence why I'm going North to get my 2LT.
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I still don't understand why it's so evil for a dealer to sell for what he can. As long as he's not screwing over a guy who got pre-ordered what's wrong with someone getting as much as they can for whatever he's selling. Free market. You can go somewhere else and get one. Supply and demand. All they need to do is be honest about MSRP, which is gauranteed by law, then so be it. I don't have a problem with it. If he can't sell it then he screwed up and that's on him. I'm supposed to think that a guy with a Babe Ruth rookie card is some kind of sinister a-hole because he wants 100k for it? We allready see some idiots paying thousands more than MSRP so we know they'll sell. jmo

I think they'll sell less and be worse off in the long run but maybe not. you're doing the right thing and going somewhere else.
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It'll probably be 10-12 months before GMS starts to happen unless you know somebody.
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My car is in tommorow, pre-ordered, and my price is GMS. I have the deal written up as well as my bank has the documentation. My dealer stated, I told you GMS, and we will honor GMS.

They are not selling there Lot cars at GMS though.

He stated that they have already received calls from locator companies for 3k over MSRP.
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My car is in tommorow, pre-ordered, and my price is GMS. I have the deal written up as well as my bank has the documentation. My dealer stated, I told you GMS, and we will honor GMS.

They are not selling there Lot cars at GMS though.

He stated that they have already received calls from locator companies for 3k over MSRP.
you know ive heard that. here also. don't really get it, but oh well. at least our dealers (in WI) are doing MSRP for lot cars. GMS on orders.
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I still don't understand why it's so evil for a dealer to sell for what he can. As long as he's not screwing over a guy who got pre-ordered what's wrong with someone getting as much as they can for whatever he's selling. Free market. You can go somewhere else and get one. Supply and demand. All they need to do is be honest about MSRP, which is gauranteed by law, then so be it. I don't have a problem with it. If he can't sell it then he screwed up and that's on him. I'm supposed to think that a guy with a Babe Ruth rookie card is some kind of sinister a-hole because he wants 100k for it? We allready see some idiots paying thousands more than MSRP so we know they'll sell. jmo

I think they'll sell less and be worse off in the long run but maybe not. you're doing the right thing and going somewhere else.
not that this is the case, but i've read posts about pre-orders coming in and the dealers charging above MSRP to the person who ordered it!

i just don't get why folks are paying it........could you imagine how bad it would be if the economy was great?
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just went to go see it here, dealer Johnny Londoff was proud that theyre charging $4k over MSRP to order. Thought it was kinda funny. Good for them there are some people willing to pay whatever just to have it. Not that serious to me. If something crazy happened and my GMS didn't come through I'd rather wait or get it somewhere else. Paying more than what something is worth is just plain irresponsible and you shouldn't receive any sympathy.
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I agree if a dealer tried to charge over msrp I would wait till I could get it for min. of msrp. I orderd and last fri. my salesman was off and the sales mgr tried to tell me I had to pay more than msrp. I went off on my salesman and sent an email to the company and the next morning got an appalogy and was told msrp as agreed to.
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not that this is the case, but i've read posts about pre-orders coming in and the dealers charging above MSRP to the person who ordered it!

i just don't get why folks are paying it........could you imagine how bad it would be if the economy was great?
Ya I know. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't pay over sticker. And I feel bad for all those who didn't get it in writing. Those dealers are a-holes. Or the ones who bump a guy in the system who pre-ordered so they can sell one over. But the ones who wouldn't take pre-orders so they could get cars and jack them up, more power to them. Maybe they do well, maybe they don't. I think it's a bad business decision. How well did it work for Dodge and the Chally? Word is they regreted it. They didn't sell as many as they could have.
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Ya I know. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't pay over sticker. And I feel bad for all those who didn't get it in writing. Those dealers are a-holes. Or the ones who bump a guy in the system who pre-ordered so they can sell one over. But the ones who wouldn't take pre-orders so they could get cars and jack them up, more power to them. Maybe they do well, maybe they don't. I think it's a bad business decision. How well did it work for Dodge and the Chally? Word is they regreted it. They didn't sell as many as they could have.
yeah.......now they can't give em' away! employee plus - rebates - great financing and STILL can't move em'.

man, i hope you get your car soon.......we want some REAL pics of Bonnie in YOUR car........not photoshop.

nice job though! had i not seen the thread that pic came from, i never woulda known..........
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... I think it's a bad business decision. How well did it work for Dodge and the Chally? Word is they regreted it. They didn't sell as many as they could have.
Dodge got slammed on this before when it happened with the Prowler...
They said they wouldn't do that again, but they did. Maybe they just can't prevent it per the franchise laws.

The only thing that seems strange about those franchise laws is that John Deere, who has the same structure can ABSOLUTELY dictate that all prices are MSRP. If not, they shitcan that dealer. My father knows many JD dealers that say that is what has happened.
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.......we want some REAL pics of Bonnie in YOUR car.......
Heck with Bonnie IN the car, we want her ON the car ala Tawny Kitaen.

(well as long as she approves....)
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Heck with Bonnie IN the car, we want her ON the car ala Tawny Kitaen.

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Hence why I'm going North to get my 2LT.
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I still don't understand why it's so evil for a dealer to sell for what he can. As long as he's not screwing over a guy who got pre-ordered what's wrong with someone getting as much as they can for whatever he's selling. Free market. You can go somewhere else and get one. Supply and demand. All they need to do is be honest about MSRP, which is gauranteed by law, then so be it. I don't have a problem with it. If he can't sell it then he screwed up and that's on him. I'm supposed to think that a guy with a Babe Ruth rookie card is some kind of sinister a-hole because he wants 100k for it? We allready see some idiots paying thousands more than MSRP so we know they'll sell. jmo

I think they'll sell less and be worse off in the long run but maybe not. you're doing the right thing and going somewhere else.
You know, the problem with that is that the amount of cars they sell directly effects GM's profits. When the company you're supposed to be creating a profit for is on the brink of bankruptcy and you'd rather sell 1 car over MSRP then two or three at MSRP it may help the dealer, but the company still feels it.

I don't really care if the dealers want to sell cars over MSRP for their own profit, but you know that all it does it hurt GM/Chrysler/Ford/Honda/Whoever.
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Then there's the "Scotty" factor !! Cudos to you Scotty , wiht all the rhetoric I have been reading about scheister dealers we all need guys like you in our area!
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Ya I know. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't pay over sticker. And I feel bad for all those who didn't get it in writing. Those dealers are a-holes. Or the ones who bump a guy in the system who pre-ordered so they can sell one over. But the ones who wouldn't take pre-orders so they could get cars and jack them up, more power to them. Maybe they do well, maybe they don't. I think it's a bad business decision. How well did it work for Dodge and the Chally? Word is they regreted it. They didn't sell as many as they could have.
You said it all right there. Each and every one of us has an agreement with an independent businessman, not GM. GM is just a supplier, nothing else. When you go buy a refrigerator you have a deal with the store not General Electric. If my dealer treats me fair then I'm happy, if not then I'm unhappy. If he wants to sell at a higher price than the guy down the street then that is his choice. If I want to pay it or not then that is my choice. If he plays with my order after terms are agreed upon then I have a problem with him not the supplier/GM.

For all of the talk, polls and petitions the real problem starts and continues because of the wrong kind of dealers. This will catch-up to them and while GM is trimming the number of dealerships many of them will be gone. In my mind that is a good thing because more business will go to the remaining good dealerships. This is a nature thinning process of the capitalist business model. It's the same in my business, if I don't take care of my customers then I'm gone, as it should be.
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everywhere in chicago they went 7k to 15k over!!!! RIDICULOUS
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everywhere in chicago they went 7k to 15k over!!!! RIDICULOUS
drive north......................MSRP or lower in southern WI!
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I'd venture that dealer ADMs rarely work out. A dealer tried to ADM me on my GT500 purchase - I walked and got MSRP across town. Later that same year, when I was looking for an F150 work truck, the owner of the dealership who wanted ADM comes out and apologizes and gives me an insane deal on the F150 to get me back, which I quickly snap up. He says they realized they were wrong by trying to profit on a single deal when I buy 1-2 new vehicles a year. Common sense is in high demand, and low supply - seems to happen all the time with new vehicle intros...and the shame of it all is that enthusiasts who buy often are the same people these ADMs target.
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Phillips Chevy south of Chicago just call me. called them because i saw on autotrader.com they had what i ordered. well, they didn't then (2 weeks ago).

he calls today and says they have 2 2SS's and 1 2LT for sale. 1 of the 2SS's is my specs only with a sunroof. so i say "i'll pick it up Saturday so long as you're doing GMS." he said, "no, we're at $2000 over MSRP on all of them."

i then replied "no wonder you can't sell em', my offer stands for GMS." he wished me luck............

seemed like a nice guy, too bad management has to rape folks.
I've got no problem with dealers charging as much as they want as long as, they tell you UP FRONT. Have a big problem with guys being surprised with "Market adjustments" after pre-ordering or coming to the understanding of MSRP with the dealer.
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I noticed today that prices on vettes are falling. In the last week maybe lost 5-10% of values for used vettes. Because millions of new and light used cars are just rotting.

I bet they would toss them in the ocean if they could get away with it.
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