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Old 04-12-2012, 10:32 PM   #1
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Vibration in Steering Wheel after New Wheels/Tires

I just upgraded my wheels and tires with the TSW Nurburgring.

The wheels and tires were BRAND NEW.

I went with 20x10 35 offset in the rear and 20x9 35 offset in the front.
I went with the Nitto Invo's 3/15/35/20 in the rears and 275/40/20 in the fronts. They have balanced the wheels twice now and verified that the hub centric rings were placed in there. They also state that the wheels and tires are not out of round. Above 60+ MPH the steering wheel starts to shake anywhere from slightly to very noticeable with no set pattern to figure out whats causing it. Before I spend my next day off AGAIN going back to them.. or potentially to get a 2nd opinion... does anyone have any thoughts on what might be causing this?

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Old 04-13-2012, 01:19 AM   #2
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Swap out one wheel at a time with your stock wheel (if you still have them) to isolate exactly what is causing it.
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:20 AM   #3
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Sorry got my ignorance.. but are there different sized hub centric rings?
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:23 AM   #4
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Sorry got my ignorance.. but are there different sized hub centric rings?
There is, but as long as you got all the same wheels you should be using all the same rings. You could make sure they sent you the right size rings though. They should fit on the hub and in the wheel without any major slack.
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:27 AM   #5
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Any idea what the size ring i would need is? I believe I just looked it up and the bore of the wheels i have are 76mm and stock is 67. I dont remember what the bore size is on the ss 66.9 or 67.1 I believe?
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Any idea what the size ring i would need is? I believe I just looked it up and the bore of the wheels i have are 76mm and stock is 67. I dont remember what the bore size is on the ss 66.9 or 67.1 I believe?
We have 66.9, but 67.1 will work just fine and is what I have on my Forgestar F14s. That's only a .007" (abouyt the thickness of a human hair).
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We have 66.9, but 67.1 will work just fine and is what I have on my Forgestar F14s. That's only a .007" (abouyt the thickness of a human hair).
When I bring it back to Discount Tire I will ask them to tell me what size ring I have. Any other thoughts as to why the vibration?
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It is your balance. I had the exact same problem, they had to balance my wheels 4 times before it was fixed. Every shop has a balancer, but how often is it calibrated? If there machine is not calibrated it will never be balanced. It finally took them 2 hours to balance one of my rear tires to finally get it right. They put on 3 strips of weights.

If they can't get it done right, take it to another tire shop and pay them to do it right.
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Old 04-13-2012, 03:57 AM   #9
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Sorry got my ignorance.. but are there different sized hub centric rings?
I had the same problem after my new wheels, it took me awhile to find the right hub centric rings, but after I did the problem was gone..........
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are you having the tires road force balanced? if not i would suggest it.
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Steering wheel shaking/vibrating at a specific mph range = front wheel(s) are out of balance.

Also, that rear 315 tire isn't a proper fit for a 10.0 wide wheel, with that low of an offset. Probably sticks out of the fender?
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:45 AM   #12
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Steering wheel shaking/vibrating at a specific mph range = front wheel(s) are out of balance.

Also, that rear 315 tire isn't a proper fit for a 10.0 wide wheel, with that low of an offset. Probably sticks out of the fender?
Actually it does not buldge out past the fenders at all. The reason i went with the invo's is apparently they run a tad bit smaller than most other 315's but not too wide for the 10" wheel. I will be taking some pictures this weekend since I havent had the daylight to do so during the week, but they sit RIGHT at the edge of the fender.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:46 AM   #13
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Alright.. I'm gonna take it back to them to balance it one more time and if that still wont fix it I will try somewhere else... the dealer is the only one I know that does road force balancing.. and they charge like $120 or so to do it.... are they the only ones who do it?
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when i put on new wheels, i left the mounter who just balanced them, and i took it on the highway- @ 75mph i got the vibs.- went directly to a different shop to have them rebalanced and the wheels were first tested as they were(w/o removing the weights that were first put on) and all 4 wheels needed re-balancing-or should i say, the two machines read the same wheels differently. i still get the vibs but the second shop did a better job(less vibs) , or should i say the second machine was more accurate- they looked like the same brand of machines- i also insist on standing next to them when they balance- if they will not accommodate me, then i thank them and find a different shop who will.my next step is 'road force' as i do not want an iota of vibrations, and i hope that makes them true
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Old 04-14-2012, 01:05 PM   #15
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Guys I'm having a similar issue as the OP except it's on the stock wheels that I've put back on (from Winter setup)...

Stock wheels & tires created no vibration prior to storing for the Winter (Winter tires had no vibration all Winter either).
Air pressure wasn't idea, but 32.5 to 33 all around
Re torqued the wheels a few times, including a left to right wheel rotation...
Wheels were stored in my basement stacked 2 high

At first it was anytime driving in a straight line, then after 10mins of driving it would only happen at speeds over 50mph and at varying degrees of severity which seemed unrelated to the current speed or RPM. This occures mostly while driving straight... any steering input masks the problem significantly, sometimes completely.

Any thoughts? Is this likely still a balancing issue? The only reason I have any doubts is because it wasn't an issue when I took the wheels off. If the balance is off, any ideas what might have thrown things outta whack? Did I store them incorrectly etc...?
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Good news! Went back to discount tire today, they actually had road force balancing capability this whole time and dont do it unless asked for. Every single wheel in the car was completely off balance. It took two balancings for each wheel to get them finally balanced except for the front passanger tire which took about 6 different road force balancings to get it correct. I am glad to say 2 1/2 hours later... there are no noticable vibrations in any speed range! Look at the beauty!
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Good news! Went back to discount tire today, they actually had road force balancing capability this whole time and dont do it unless asked for. Every single wheel in the car was completely off balance. It took two balancings for each wheel to get them finally balanced except for the front passanger tire which took about 6 different road force balancings to get it correct. I am glad to say 2 1/2 hours later... there are no noticable vibrations in any speed range! Look at the beauty!
Happy to hear it! My car is in the process of a road force balance as we speak - I'm hoping for the same results. The wheel guy just called me and told me I had a damaged lug or something too. Nothing I noticed, but then again, the guys was SUPER French and might not have translated properly. I should have just let him explain to me in French
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:12 PM   #18
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Post the results plz
Assuming that was aimed at me... It turns out I'm a complete dipshit . The lug nuts that came with my Winter wheel setup had a slightly different thread pattern or ratio or whatever the term is... so I pretty much screwed all my studs... Had the studs replaced as well as the lug nuts, rebalanced and problem solved .

I was only paying attention to bolt pattern (other than size/offset) when buying my Winter wheels, didn't even cross my mind to check if the lugs were threaded properly . $206.71 Lesson learned! Could have been worse.
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Good news! Went back to discount tire today, they actually had road force balancing capability this whole time and dont do it unless asked for. Every single wheel in the car was completely off balance. It took two balancings for each wheel to get them finally balanced except for the front passanger tire which took about 6 different road force balancings to get it correct. I am glad to say 2 1/2 hours later... there are no noticable vibrations in any speed range! Look at the beauty!
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:09 PM   #21
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UPDATE: after having a solid few days of no vibrations... it came back again... I took one of the Discount Tire managers for a ride along to prove that I was not crazy and he sure enough was able to see the steering wheel shake very badly above 45 mph. The front passenger side tire which we were able to get balanced and pass a road force balance was now out of balance again. We went ahead and swapped out that tire for a completely new tire, and so far this got rid of the majority of the vibrations(there is still the slightest vibration in the wheel it self) Lets give this a couple days now and see what happens this time...
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UPDATE: after having a solid few days of no vibrations... it came back again... I took one of the Discount Tire managers for a ride along to prove that I was not crazy and he sure enough was able to see the steering wheel shake very badly above 45 mph. The front passenger side tire which we were able to get balanced and pass a road force balance was now out of balance again. We went ahead and swapped out that tire for a completely new tire, and so far this got rid of the majority of the vibrations(there is still the slightest vibration in the wheel it self) Lets give this a couple days now and see what happens this time...
And?? it's has been more then a year...results are?
(looks like experiencing similar shake from my new NT05 tires)
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I think I'm having the same issue with my Nitto Invo tires. My front wheels/tires have been checked out several times on a road force balance machine and the numbers on my front wheels/tires are down to something like 11 or lower (which is supposed to be within the good range - below 15). My rear wheels/tires have very good numbers (5 or less).

I've been reading a lot of comments from different car owners (not just Camaros) with vibration issues running nitto tires (even though the wheels and tires are showing to be balanced on the road force balance machine).

One owner even stated he went a head and switched out his tires for a different brand and his vibration went away. So in his case, the issue was definitely his tires.

I do know one of my Nitto Invo tires had to be returned because it could never be balanced within an acceptable range so I was sent out a new tire. Unfortunately that didn't change the issue all that much.

My car is real smooth up to 50 mph (which is good, because all the roads I drive on (back and forth to work) have a 50mph or slower speed limit). But once I get above 50mph to around 60 mph, I get a nice little vibration in the steering wheel. Then above 60 mph the vibration pretty much smooths itself out. It's not completely gone, but it's within the acceptable range to me.
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:29 PM   #24
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The tire/wheel place I go to and I talked about this 1.5 years ago when I swapped on a set of 4 20x9 replica wheels and put my stock rear tires on the front and 555R DR's on back. I had vibration at 65mph. Checked balance. Garrett said that it was in part due to tire wear.

I've been running Nitto Invos on front since last fall, zero problems. NT05Rs in back.
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Nitto Motivos here, had to have one replaced due to it being out of round. Looks like Nitto may be having some quality control issues.
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