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Old 04-14-2012, 11:21 AM   #26
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:37 AM   #27
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"It will still work if you're not insulated/isolated." -regarding the RX Black ice isolator

Could you clarify this a little bit please I also have the RX Black ice isolator.

PS. I though i was about done with my bolt on mods... haha, guess i was wrong.
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:39 AM   #28
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:38 PM   #29
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"It will still work if you're not insulated/isolated." -regarding the RX Black ice isolator

Could you clarify this a little bit please I also have the RX Black ice isolator.

PS. I though i was about done with my bolt on mods... haha, guess i was wrong.
I think he means even if you didn't have insulators at all, it would still benefit having the plenum spacers
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:49 PM   #30
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Well looks like I gotto have this too.

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Old 04-14-2012, 12:52 PM   #31
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Old 04-14-2012, 01:30 PM   #32
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I'm gonna slow my role -until - we see some testing done. It seems logical, but and this is a big but, it works on exactly the opposite principal as the VRAM intake. Should be interesting to see results on non VRAM equiped cars.
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Old 04-14-2012, 01:32 PM   #33
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I'm gonna slow my role -until - we see some testing done. It seems logical, but and this is a big but, it works on exactly the opposite principal as the VRAM intake. Should be interesting to see results on non VRAM equiped cars.

Bemore said it really helped throttle response and reduced the KR by 80% up high. That's good enough for me. Less KR means Trifecta can run more aggressive timing for more power.
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Old 04-14-2012, 01:36 PM   #34
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Not asking anyone else to wait, I myself will be. I'm looking forward to hearing the impressions and feedback.
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Not asking anyone else to wait, I myself will be. I'm looking forward to hearing the impressions and feedback.

Yeah.. No worries. Just sayin.
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Can't wait to see some numbers!
told you guys there was more bunny in the hat LOL. This would ne a perfect addition for 25mm mace or vmax 9mm. better air distribution to all 6 cylinders at the same time creating more volume mean a more efficient engine. dyno next week along with vince. stay tuned in peoples

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Old 04-14-2012, 02:03 PM   #37
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I'm in. please P.M me price and delivery. Shipping to 06810. Thanks.
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:14 PM   #38
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Well at least now I can say that I've known this was in testing for awhile now lol. Just promised that certain someone that I'd keep my lips sealed! (or is that....fingers restrained?)

This is very cool...I'm all for better throttle response and if KR is lessened that has got to help. I can't wait to see dyno results and driver impressions. Hope to see this on a stock car soon as well.

So I have a few questions though:

MACE mentioned something about how offering correct length bolts could be tough. I'm currently running the 9mm RX insulator. it uses the stock bolts. MACE, do you have bolts that can be used with this combo or do I have to search long and hard for some on my own?

Questions 2. Do you know if LFX owners can use this on their intake manifold as well? (looking out for my fellow brethren)

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"It will still work if you're not insulated/isolated." -regarding the RX Black ice isolator

Could you clarify this a little bit please I also have the RX Black ice isolator.

PS. I though i was about done with my bolt on mods... haha, guess i was wrong.

I have the BlackIce too and wouldn't mind some clarification also.


If it's good to go with the BlackIce could ya pm me a price to 18655? Thanks
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Old 04-14-2012, 03:11 PM   #40
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I think one of the issues with paring it with the black ice has to do with the OEM bolt length. I could be mistaken, but I believe you would need longer manifold bolts. And that is why he referenced having bolt kits available soon.

Like jay said, it's about volume and air distribution. The ideal IM pressure would be equal to atmospheric pressure, slowing the air down within the plenum is how you achieve "near atmospheric pressure". The faster air moves, the lower the pressure. But using the velocity from a tuned CAI will help by shoving more air in due to its momentum. The more air that is readily available, the better your throttle response and additionallly the low end TQ.
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Old 04-14-2012, 03:43 PM   #41
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I was wondering when this was going to be on the market.

PM me the price as well including shipping please...Thanks!
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Old 04-14-2012, 03:46 PM   #42
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Old 04-14-2012, 04:02 PM   #43
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I can't wait. Maybe a noon question, but what does KR mean?
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I was thinking exactly as you stated. The spacer may compensate for the VRAMs behavior to speed the air.

It would be interesting to see what the spacer will do on non VRAM equiped cars.
As I don't have a VRAM intake, I'm thinking the gains could be different than VRAM equiped cars.

Its a bit like filling a wash bucket. With the water nozzle off the hose the water doesn't seem to have much force but fills the bucket much faster than when the nozzle is on and set to jet spray lots of force less water. Ram air is kinda like putting a nozel on the hose and expecting more air, no?



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I think one of the issues with paring it with the black ice has to do with the OEM bolt length. I could be mistaken, but I believe you would need longer manifold bolts. And that is why he referenced having bolt kits available soon.

Like jay said, it's about volume and air distribution. The ideal IM pressure would be equal to atmospheric pressure, slowing the air down within the plenum is how you achieve "near atmospheric pressure". The faster air moves, the lower the pressure. But using the velocity from a tuned CAI will help by shoving more air in due to its momentum. The more air that is readily available, the better your throttle response and additionallly the low end TQ.
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Sounds like another mod for all of us to keep increasing more HP and TQ.

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Hope this works well for Vmax isolator and VR intake!
Awesome Mace. Keep em coming!
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I guess the cat's out the bag now huh

To properly install this 12mm plenum spacer you will need four m8-1.25, 160mm bolts for the center. The old bolt for the rear and for the very front will still work fine. New plenum cover bolts also need to be changed to longer bolts. I can't remember what was the exact length right now off my head but the factory bolt size is M6-1, so you will need a bolt that is at least 10mm longer from factory length. You can actually find the cover bolts at home depot but the longer manifold bolts probably need to be ordered. I got 4 from texas fasteners for 13 bucks shipped.

The plenum spacer work well. You won't be like WOW!! as you have with the insulators but it will definitely help with better air distribution to all six cylinders and create more volume helping with stagnet air. After I installed the spacer, my kr count on part throttle with 93 octane went from around 3 to zero!! much was cut down on WOT too but not gone completely. I actually had to do few logs for vince just to be sure that this was really happening . I even thought he was sending me tune files with the knock senor desensitized LOL.

I just took a bunch of pics but I am having trouble loading to my net book right now Once I get this straight I will post plenty of pics for you guys. I also have a dyno coming up with vince next week so I plan to dyno the plenum spacer at that time also.

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there have been a few discussions on the effects of ram air already. basically what it comes down to is that it doesn't work for autos because we move to slow to benefit from the positive pressure needed to create the supercharged effect. vararam draws in fresh air from outside the engine bay and utilizes velocity to push more air into the IM, its a straight shot with minimal bends which keeps the air flowing efficiently and fast. i understand your analogy to the water bucket and ram air. just wanted to let you know that ram air for vehicle applications is surrounded by a cloud of mistery. i don't think its the correct terminology for the application. i agree that there could possibly be bigger gains from a vararam equipped setup vs AEM or Injen, but that's to be expected.
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For guys that's worried about using this with vararam intake
What make it even more interesting is that I am running vararam in conjunction with the 25mm insulator and 12mm plenum spacer. now for anyone worried about if it will work with vararam you have to first understand what is vararam trying to accomplish with their ram design. Out of vararams own mouth...The V-6 Camaro unit is unique in that it is designed around the V-6engines cross ram
intake manifold flow architecture and its need for maximum plenum volume.
The cross ram design that our factory manifold already incorporate is there to shoot down the intake air down into each cylinder providing that "ram effect", velocity, and the reason why our manifold design is called "cross ram design" The more air we can cramp up the plenum with, the more volume of air that can get drawn down to each cylinder. Now increase the plenum containment and this mean what vararam originally designed for can do so even more effectively. So if you are a vararam user, I believe the effect of raising the plenum volume will even have a greater impact Now I;m not going to sit here and say by doing this we are going to gain 100hp lol but there are many advantage such as equal air distribution, less dead air, more volume of air moving, and etc.etc..

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