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Old 12-21-2013, 11:50 AM   #1
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0-60 Times: SS vs SS 1LE

Being new to the Camaro scene and not very familiar with the real-world performance of the vehicles, I have a couple questions about how these cars perform in a drag setting.

First, I keep reading that the 0-60 time for the SS is in the high 4 range. I also keep seeing that the 1LE can easily be made to hit low 4's stock. For those of you WITH EXPERIENCE with these cars, how accurate is this?

I'm a life-long MOPAR guy, and I had a 392 Challenger until a few months ago. Those were reported to run 0-60 4.5's easily. . . and they do pretty consistently. From a BAD launch I could hit 4.7's all day long. A good launch in the right weather? Low 4's can be had.

All this to say - I could smoke 5.0 Mustangs in my 392, however I keep seeing on the forum that stock SS's get handled by 5.0's.

If the 0-60 times are accurate for the SS's and 1LE's, why do Mustangs seem to walk them so easily? Are the reported 0-60 numbers incorrect? Also. . . are the 1LE's really faster than a stock SS? I imagine they would be given the extra downforce keeping the wheels planted. . .
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Old 12-21-2013, 12:01 PM   #2
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Real world racing vs. Forum racing vs. who in which car in what race could or couldn't drive! That's why the numbers are all over the board and you get 5.0 this SS camaro that a so on and so on! In the right set environment with a skilled driver each make, mustang camaro challanger, should perform at or very close to advertised numbers!
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Being new to the Camaro scene and not very familiar with the real-world performance of the vehicles, I have a couple questions about how these cars perform in a drag setting.

First, I keep reading that the 0-60 time for the SS is in the high 4 range. I also keep seeing that the 1LE can easily be made to hit low 4's stock. For those of you WITH EXPERIENCE with these cars, how accurate is this?

I'm a life-long MOPAR guy, and I had a 392 Challenger until a few months ago. Those were reported to run 0-60 4.5's easily. . . and they do pretty consistently. From a BAD launch I could hit 4.7's all day long. A good launch in the right weather? Low 4's can be had.

All this to say - I could smoke 5.0 Mustangs in my 392, however I keep seeing on the forum that stock SS's get handled by 5.0's.

If the 0-60 times are accurate for the SS's and 1LE's, why do Mustangs seem to walk them so easily? Are the reported 0-60 numbers incorrect? Also. . . are the 1LE's really faster than a stock SS? I imagine they would be given the extra downforce keeping the wheels planted. . .
In terms of drag racing, this should give you a pretty good idea of what the various models are capable of.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013
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Old 12-21-2013, 12:35 PM   #4
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Real world racing vs. Forum racing vs. who in which car in what race could or couldn't drive! That's why the numbers are all over the board and you get 5.0 this SS camaro that a so on and so on! In the right set environment with a skilled driver each make, mustang camaro challanger, should perform at or very close to advertised numbers!
Well. . . obviously. That isn't really what I was asking though.

I go by averages. On average, I see that stock SS's usually can't hang with 5.0 Mustangs. I'm basically wondering if, in an ideal situation with a fairly skilled driver in both cars, a 5.0 Mustang is really that much quicker than an SS. Power numbers would suggest otherwise, however the Mustang is a touch lighter.

And, biggest question, wanted to see if people with experience in the 1LE could attest to it's ability to hit low 4's stock. That would make it quicker off the line than my SRT was. Of course, the SRT would probably catch it after 60 was achieved. . . but maybe not. Who knows.

I realize I was covering a lot with my initial question and it was probably a bit convoluted.
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In terms of drag racing, this should give you a pretty good idea of what the various models are capable of.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013
Thanks!! That answers a lot of it.
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Old 12-21-2013, 12:53 PM   #6
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wow a mopar guy.....so sorry.......lol Guess you could cruise the mustang site and hear how guys got walked on by Camaros. As for the slight difference in the trans gears and rear end theoretically yes the 1le package should out perform the standard ss...yet give the ss a better driver and you see... the last post shows the thread where even the slowest ss on the list is faster many of the rarer 1le package on a ss..... As a old hotrodder its a lot on the driver, 3:45 gear versus 3:91 its about it making it rev more on a 1le faster causing the shift to have to come faster. If you would look at zero to sixty times you would see most likely the ss is 0-60 in the 4.5 range and the 1le more in the 4.3 range ideally with the end times very close in a quarter mile and 5.0 about the same, and sorry to say the heavy mopar challenger costing more with its larger more powerful engine not doing so well..........

http://www.zeroto60times.com/

2013 Chevrolet Camaro Convertible ZL1 (Manual) 0-60 mph 4.0
2013 Chevrolet Camaro Convertible SS 1LE (Manual) 0-60 mph 4.2 Quarter Mile 12.5
2013 Chevrolet Camaro Hot Wheels Edition (Manual) 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter Mile 12.7

2013 Ford mustang 5.0 convertible (manual) 0-60 4.5 Quarter mile 12.9
" " ( Auto ) 0-60 4.7 Quarter mile 13.1
2011 Dodge Challenger SRT8 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter Mile 12.7
2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 0-60 mph 4.3 Quarter Mile 12.6
2012 Chrysler 300C SRT8 0-60 mph 4.3 Quarter Mile 12.6
2010 Chrysler 300C SRT8 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter Mile 13.0
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 0-60 mph 4.5 Quarter Mile 13.1

Now if your comparing prices to make it to a certain speed in the quarter the Chrysler and dodge Srt8 are more in the cost of the zl1 and no way handle as well or look as nice in many peoples opinion, and the mustangs having priced them when I bought two new Camaros with the options like a "track pack" etc etc allways came out many thousands more than my 2ss/rs Camaros one a convertible with a auto, the other a coupe with sunroof, premium wheels, dual mode exhaust, etc etc . There is no doubt here the Camaro is a better deal all around, and is the top pic of all the rags...... Dollar for dollar and on the twisty turnies.... Wanna pay 60k for a laguna sucka? boss 302? how about 70k for a maxed out srt300m ? Or dump 3.5k to get a 1le option, or just upgrade a ss any way you want and save money and have HUD, with standard things they do not have on some unless you pay more.... Ask if a stang has self dimming lights? Heated mirrors? If they do its because eventually they have to keep up with the Camaro....... And you are not driving the srt8 challenger any more because why?$$$ Do not care for the mustang as much as I do the challenger line on its body being more retro its cooler. So dats da fax jac......... Camaros rule and we know it here, however races are often won by who has the most money or the largest cahones....... Or the most skill. And if a v-6 Camaro pulls up to a v-8 mustang that's lighter and gives them a good race........ Just goes to show.
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Old 12-21-2013, 12:55 PM   #7
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So if I read that list right it should go....

ZL1 11.7 >SSM6 12.5 >SSL99 12.7 > SS1LE 12.8

That can't be right.
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You definitely didn't read that right. Look again.
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You definitely didn't read that right. Look again.
I may still be drunk from last night but I looked again at stock 1/4 times and it appears like 1LEs are the slowest???

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Old 12-21-2013, 01:56 PM   #10
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It seems that the stock SS/1LE would have advantage over a stock SS only on a road course track, not in a straight line drag race.

Not sure if the different final 4th gear ratio for the 1LE confers a slight disadvantage for drag race times, but I suspect the apparently slower 1LE drag times are due to sampling error (i.e. with more data, the stock SS and stock SS/1LE may align more closely).
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It seems that the stock SS/1LE would have advantage over a stock SS only on a road course track, not in a straight line drag race.

Not sure if the different final 4th gear ratio for the 1LE confers a slight disadvantage for drag race times, but I suspect the apparently slower 1LE drag times are due to sampling error (i.e. with more data, the stock SS and stock SS/1LE may align more closely).
Makes sense to me. Most of the weekend racers buying 1LE's can't shift as fast as the auto can.
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Old 12-21-2013, 02:46 PM   #12
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wow a mopar guy.....so sorry.......lol Guess you could cruise the mustang site and hear how guys got walked on by Camaros. As for the slight difference in the trans gears and rear end theoretically yes the 1le package should out perform the standard ss...yet give the ss a better driver and you see... the last post shows the thread where even the slowest ss on the list is faster many of the rarer 1le package on a ss..... As a old hotrodder its a lot on the driver, 3:45 gear versus 3:91 its about it making it rev more on a 1le faster causing the shift to have to come faster. If you would look at zero to sixty times you would see most likely the ss is 0-60 in the 4.5 range and the 1le more in the 4.3 range ideally with the end times very close in a quarter mile and 5.0 about the same, and sorry to say the heavy mopar challenger costing more with its larger more powerful engine not doing so well..........

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2013 Chevrolet Camaro Convertible ZL1 (Manual) 0-60 mph 4.0
2013 Chevrolet Camaro Convertible SS 1LE (Manual) 0-60 mph 4.2 Quarter Mile 12.5
2013 Chevrolet Camaro Hot Wheels Edition (Manual) 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter Mile 12.7

2013 Ford mustang 5.0 convertible (manual) 0-60 4.5 Quarter mile 12.9
" " ( Auto ) 0-60 4.7 Quarter mile 13.1
2011 Dodge Challenger SRT8 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter Mile 12.7
2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 0-60 mph 4.3 Quarter Mile 12.6
2012 Chrysler 300C SRT8 0-60 mph 4.3 Quarter Mile 12.6
2010 Chrysler 300C SRT8 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter Mile 13.0
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 0-60 mph 4.5 Quarter Mile 13.1
Thanks for the in depth response.

No, I'm not comparing prices at all. I used to have a 392 Challenger, but I'm done with MOPAR. Of the 5 MOPARs I've had, 3 have been very problematic vehicles.

I'm more than likely going to purchase a 1LE Camaro in the near future...this thread was started more out of sheer intrigue and curiosity based on things I've seen around THIS forum. I also have no interest in ever owning a Mustang of any kind.

I'm sold on the 1LE...pretty much just trying to figure out why people tend to get beat by 5.0 Mustangs and if a 1LE would fare better in a 1/4 mile dig than a normal SS. That's it really...
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And you are not driving the srt8 challenger any more because why?$$$
Missed this the first time around because I was responding on an iPad.

The cost of the vehicles have no bearing on whether or not I purchase one. I'm not driving the 392 Challenger any more because it was a lemon. Literally in the shop once every week and a half. . . no exaggeration.

When the '14 1LE's came out, they grabbed my attention. I still think the Challenger is a great looking car and the SRT is a great performer. Contrary to most peoples' beliefs (because most people have never driven an SRT Challenger) those things can whip around a track and handle like a beast in spite of their size. Obviously the 1LE can handle better, but the whole "too big and handles like a boat" thing is not correct at all. It could stand to drop a couple hundred pounds, but SRT made due with what they had and made a really amazing vehicle.

So. . . I'm not looking to save money by buying a standard 2SS and upgrading it. I like the 1LE because it looks awesome and has upgrades done to it that I would have normally done on my own.

And I also don't care about being the fastest guy on the street. . . again, started this thread out of curiosity. I generally won't race unless the road is empty and I'm not in one of Nashville's numerous cop-infested roads.
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Old 12-21-2013, 04:03 PM   #14
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This topic has sort of come up before, and you can get a pretty good handle on this by comparing shift speeds (at the same rpm since for simplicity I'm assuming both cars are running LS3's here - the L99 vs LS3 has been discussed several times also).

The 1LE seems to be the touchier car to get launched. After that, 1st gear is a wash.

2nd gear, which gets you past 60 in both cars, slightly favors the SS (the SS runs just a little higher up in the powerband).

3rd gear is another wash (good for high 90's - 100 mph @ 6000 rpm in either car). After that, the advantage is all 1LE.


I think the linked "Official 1/4 mile" thread backs this up as well. Look at the 1/8 mile stats (mid to upper 80's mph) as being more representative of 0 - 60 than the full quarter mile numbers.


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