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Old 04-16-2012, 08:41 AM   #176
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So.... 506 rwhp on their stock ZL1 baseline dyno pull. At a typical 20% drivetrain loss that puts the LSA at somewhere around 635HP at the crank (not the SAE rated 580). If Ford isn't underrating their new 2013 GT500 I would have to say that they're pretty equal and we still have yet to see if the GT500 can put the power to the ground like they've had sooooo much trouble with in the past.
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:03 AM   #177
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So.... 506 rwhp on their stock ZL1 baseline dyno pull. At a typical 20% drivetrain loss that puts the LSA at somewhere around 635HP at the crank (not the SAE rated 580). If Ford isn't underrating their new 2013 GT500 I would have to say that they're pretty equal and we still have yet to see if the GT500 can put the power to the ground like they've had sooooo much trouble with in the past.
Our cars are manual trans, more like 12% loss.

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Old 04-16-2012, 09:58 AM   #178
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I can't believe that car has the stock gears in it. He's shifting into 2nd gear at 60 feet and into 4th gear at half track. That car is geared for the 1/4 mile.
This car have SVTPP option comes with 3.73 gears from the factory!!!
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:01 AM   #179
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This car have SVTPP option comes with 3.73 gears from the factory!!!
Most 11/12 GT500 trap around 117-mph, this car traps 124+mph? I'd love to know how a car gains 7+ mph in the 1/4 with only a set of tires? Weight reduction? My car actually lost mph when it hooked with radials

If the ZL1 which has a posted time of 116+ mph, all of a sudden had another time of 124-mph with radials, I am sure the SVT crowd would question as well.
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:42 AM   #181
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So.... 506 rwhp on their stock ZL1 baseline dyno pull. At a typical 20% drivetrain loss that puts the LSA at somewhere around 635HP at the crank (not the SAE rated 580). If Ford isn't underrating their new 2013 GT500 I would have to say that they're pretty equal and we still have yet to see if the GT500 can put the power to the ground like they've had sooooo much trouble with in the past.
You realize SAE ratings exist so that manufactures can't do this right?

It's also already well known the Ford has underrated the 2013 5.8. It makes 670HP at its extended redline of 7000 RPM, 650HP at 6250 RPM.

About all that can be left to see is whether or not Ford's launch control is as good as stated...
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:55 AM   #182
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So.... 506 rwhp on their stock ZL1 baseline dyno pull. At a typical 20% drivetrain loss that puts the LSA at somewhere around 635HP at the crank (not the SAE rated 580). If Ford isn't underrating their new 2013 GT500 I would have to say that they're pretty equal and we still have yet to see if the GT500 can put the power to the ground like they've had sooooo much trouble with in the past.
gt500 2013 is about 400-500lbs lighter with race seats (an dealer option on the car) straight line zl1 will get smoked, mustang still ulgy though :P lol. If zl1 will need about 50-100 more hp to haul that extra weight and beat the 2013 gt500, soo 2014 we can bite back maybe? Big advantage of camaro though is that huge engine bay, so might as well get a LSX454 in there
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:13 PM   #183
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So.... 506 rwhp on their stock ZL1 baseline dyno pull. At a typical 20% drivetrain loss that puts the LSA at somewhere around 635HP at the crank (not the SAE rated 580). If Ford isn't underrating their new 2013 GT500 I would have to say that they're pretty equal and we still have yet to see if the GT500 can put the power to the ground like they've had sooooo much trouble with in the past.
You cannot use a dyno number and try to back into the Crank horsepower number. Manufacturers do not "underrate" cars tody.

I think the times are what should be expected.
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:55 PM   #184
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You realize SAE ratings exist so that manufactures can't do this right?

It's also already well known the Ford has underrated the 2013 5.8. It makes 670HP at its extended redline of 7000 RPM, 650HP at 6250 RPM.

About all that can be left to see is whether or not Ford's launch control is as good as stated...
The only thing I call into question is that, from reports I've read, that this is an over-boost mode, so-to-speak. If it were meant to run that hard all the time, why make it a temporary mode? If my understanding is incorrect, I withdraw my comments, but it's just a tiny bit suspect, hence why Ford is rating it what they are. 650 is still considerable
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Old 04-16-2012, 01:01 PM   #185
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So.... 506 rwhp on their stock ZL1 baseline dyno pull. At a typical 20% drivetrain loss that puts the LSA at somewhere around 635HP at the crank (not the SAE rated 580). If Ford isn't underrating their new 2013 GT500 I would have to say that they're pretty equal and we still have yet to see if the GT500 can put the power to the ground like they've had sooooo much trouble with in the past.

It does not have a 20% drivetrain loss,any more than it's "underrated". The LSA is SAE certified.
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The only thing I call into question is that, from reports I've read, that this is an over-boost mode, so-to-speak. If it were meant to run that hard all the time, why make it a temporary mode? If my understanding is incorrect, I withdraw my comments, but it's just a tiny bit suspect, hence why Ford is rating it what they are. 650 is still considerable
It's actually an over-rev, and it allows you 8 seconds it so between 6250 - 7000 RPM, you would never really need to be in that range for more than 8 seconds if you're shifting.
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It's actually an over-rev, and it allows you 8 seconds it so between 6250 - 7000 RPM, you would never really need to be in that range for more than 8 seconds if you're shifting.
Probably will make it have a killer 1/4 time just because of this
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Old 04-16-2012, 02:15 PM   #188
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Probably will make it have a killer 1/4 time just because of this
If the launch control is good it should, the 0-100 KM/H (0-62 MPH) in first gear helps too...
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If the launch control is good it should, the 0-100 KM/H (0-62 MPH) in first gear helps too...
Mid to low 11's on stock rubber?
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Mid to low 11's on stock rubber?
That seems to be the consensus if it does hook up....
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That seems to be the consensus if it does hook up....
this is why I want to see real world. Every compnay talks about launch control but then you dive the car and it is not as fast as just disabling it and launching the car right.

If the GT500 can really but put in launch control and run 11.7 all day long on stock rubber than that is just awesome good job ford. I just want to see it as I have never driven a RWD car yet that leaving the factory controls in place nets better ET.

GM talked up the launch control on this car but it does not really do well.
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You realize SAE ratings exist so that manufactures can't do this right?

It's also already well known the Ford has underrated the 2013 5.8. It makes 670HP at its extended redline of 7000 RPM, 650HP at 6250 RPM.

About all that can be left to see is whether or not Ford's launch control is as good as stated...



The 670 is a moot point because it can't maintain that RPM for any useful length of time.
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The 670 is a moot point because it can't maintain that RPM for any useful length of time.
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So what did their Cars run stock before the mods?
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The 670 is a moot point because it can't maintain that RPM for any useful length of time.
What useful length of time do you need to maintain max RPM's? I don't know too many people who drive around at max revs for more than eight seconds. If you're going down the 1/4 mile, you won't be at max revs for more than a second or two.
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race to the 10s

The Race to the 10s!

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When you get an email asking if you can be at the track tomorrow to photograph the first 2012 ZL1 Camaro breaking into the 10s, you don’t ask too many questions. When we rolled into Milan Dragway in Milan, Michigan, and met up with Mike Copeland of Lingenfelter Performance Engineering (LPE), the questions we figured you would want to ask started flowing.
The ZL1 that wore the Lingenfelter banner at the track had minimal modifications. The only underhood upgrades was the LPE was outfitted with were a supercharger pulley to bump up the boost, reflashed ECM, 160-degree thermostat and a LPE ported and polished air intake leading to a K&N air filter. The only other modifications to the car were swapping out the street performance tires for skinnies up front and Nitto NT05R drag radials out back.
This very car had run 11.03 at 130 mph at Muncie Dragway. With great air temperatures and the Milan track team prepping the starting line, it looked like a promising day.
The first pass was decent, posting an 11.22. During the next series of passes, an assortment of launched styles, shift points and tire air pressure showed varied results.
Although no one was complaining about making passes at a dragstrip for a couple of hours, the team could only capture an 11.11 at 128 mph during this track outing.
So, the illusive 10-second ZL1 Camaro is still illusive! But the crew at Lingenfelter vows to be back, and soon, to try to be the first!
The only thing under hood on the Lingenfelter Performance Engineering (LPE) ZL1 Camaro that hints that the car is not stock is the polished air intake tube and open-element K&N air filter. A more trained eye will also notice that he supercharger pulley is not stock, which increases boost 3-4 psi over stock.


To help with traction, A set of Nitto NT05R drag radials were bolted on the rear of the car. These are P305/45R18s, while a pair of 5.50-17 tires up remove the drag of wide front tires.







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Video is here.

http://www.lingenfelter.com/LPEforum...=2115#post2115

Results from our ZL1 with the following modifications

LPE modified ZL1 Camaro with 2.38" 10 bolt pulley and hub, ported SC front cover and throttle body, LPE custom air intake, increased volume intercooler reservoir, 63 lbs/hr injectors, VP109 race gas, race gas calibration, Nitto NTO5R 305/45R18 rear tires and 17" front skinnies on CCW drag-pack wheels. Stock exhaust manifolds, catalysts and mufflers.

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