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Old 04-16-2012, 08:50 AM   #1
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Anyone checked out the ZL-1 clutch pedal assembly yet???

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Old 04-16-2012, 08:54 AM   #2
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Guess they just bandaided the problem with a spring
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:04 AM   #3
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:21 AM   #4
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Guess they just bandaided the problem with a spring
No, they simply understand hydraulic and mechanical systems. BTW the ZL-1 has great pedal effort, is meant to be driven hard and the pedal will not stick to the floor, believe me we have tested it.

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Old 04-16-2012, 09:58 AM   #5
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No, they simply understand hydraulic and mechanical systems.
If GM understood hydraulic and mechanical systems, the pedal would not have stuck to the floor to begin with. So yes, it is a bandaid.
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:54 AM   #6
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If GM understood hydraulic and mechanical systems, the pedal would not have stuck to the floor to begin with. So yes, it is a bandaid.
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:20 AM   #7
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Anyone know if they copied the separate clutch reservoir too?
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:25 PM   #8
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If GM understood hydraulic and mechanical systems, the pedal would not have stuck to the floor to begin with. So yes, it is a bandaid.
That’s actually a good point, what needs to be taken into consideration is how far can, or should, the factory go in designing a vehicle to withstand abuse. This is a discussion that goes on all the time, not just with new platforms, but also existing platforms, through a continuous improvement process. The simple facts are that there are arduous test cycles that the cars and subsystems are tested to throughout the various design levels to production intent and finally production. These are designed to represent “real world” conditions up to a certain percentile of the expected customer usage. The main problem is that it is almost impossible to subject a vehicle to the level of variation that the public will once it gets into their hands. If it can be broken they will through abuse, over aggressive use or just plain lack of knowledge. As the sample size increases dramatically then some issues not seen in development or validation will be encountered and no doubt addressed. If one was to try engineer something for every potential eventuality it would probably never make is way to production. The fix is simple and almost elegant in its simplicity, oh and isn’t that the way they used to be?

This fact is also true for software as well as hardware, just ask Microsoft.

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Old 04-16-2012, 05:41 PM   #9
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Where they get that idea from guys? Lol
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I agree....a bandaid
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:38 PM   #11
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That’s actually a good point, what needs to be taken into consideration is how far can, or should, the factory go in designing a vehicle to withstand abuse. This is a discussion that goes on all the time, not just with new platforms, but also existing platforms, through a continuous improvement process. The simple facts are that there are arduous test cycles that the cars and subsystems are tested to throughout the various design levels to production intent and finally production. These are designed to represent “real world” conditions up to a certain percentile of the expected customer usage. The main problem is that it is almost impossible to subject a vehicle to the level of variation that the public will once it gets into their hands. If it can be broken they will through abuse, over aggressive use or just plain lack of knowledge. As the sample size increases dramatically then some issues not seen in development or validation will be encountered and no doubt addressed. If one was to try engineer something for every potential eventuality it would probably never make is way to production. The fix is simple and almost elegant in its simplicity, oh and isn’t that the way they used to be?

This fact is also true for software as well as hardware, just ask Microsoft.

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Great points, Graham. It reminds me of the following saying:
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook
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Hmmm.
Graham, any idea if the clutch master cylinder is different and/or better than the ones in the current SS models?
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Anyone know if ZL1 parts are available from GM yet??? Would love to have the part numbers for spring and bracket if they are separate from clutch pedal assembly. Looked at my SS pedal yesterday and bracket will bolt right on and I would only have to drill a hole in the pedal. If anyone with access to GM would care to look this up, it would be greatly appreciated.
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