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Old 04-19-2012, 11:19 AM   #1
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Output shaft snapped

It will be on the lift this afternoon to be checked out further, but it sheared. I'm hoping the trans is still fine and all I will need to do is upgrade to the DSS one piece. I'll know more later, any suggestions?

This happened first time at the track since upgrading the suspension and putting a ls9 clutch in and linelock. My guess is I finally got a really good burnout to warm up the D/R and the track was already pretty sticky so it hooked and the weak link was found, and quick.
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Old 04-19-2012, 11:27 AM   #2
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ouch sorry to hear that..one of many reasons i dont track my car or do burnouts

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It will be on the lift this afternoon to be checked out further, but it sheared. I'm hoping the trans is still fine and all I will need to do is upgrade to the DSS one piece. I'll know more later, any suggestions?

This happened first time at the track since upgrading the suspension and putting a ls9 clutch in and linelock. My guess is I finally got a really good burnout to warm up the D/R and the track was already pretty sticky so it hooked and the weak link was found, and quick.
Output shaft is part of your transmission, NOT part of your drive shaft. I'm sorry to say this is going to be very expensive.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:12 PM   #4
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Output shaft is part of your transmission, NOT part of your drive shaft. I'm sorry to say this is going to be very expensive.
Shouldn't be if car is a 2010 under vin 25000. Known problem and GM never released vin #'s of cars with suspect transmission output shafts ( cause they really don't know ) other than cars with vins lower than 25000 MAY BE affected. There is a TSB on broken output shafts in 2010 SS cars, you need to inform your dealer about it.
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My vin is just above 30,000.

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Any experience with what the costs would run to rebuild the trans? I didn't think this fix was going to be cheap, just sucks it happened right after putting 5+ grand into the thing. What's that saying you gotta pay to play.
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Tick Performance offers a rebuild service.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:20 PM   #7
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My vin is just above 30,000.

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Any experience with what the costs would run to rebuild the trans? I didn't think this fix was going to be cheap, just sucks it happened right after putting 5+ grand into the thing. What's that saying you gotta pay to play.
If you are running stock axles and the trans output shaft broke before they did, that just doesn't seem right. Or maybe, like I said GM really doesn't know what cars received questionable output shafts and some are in cars with vin's greater than 25000.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:38 PM   #8
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I've been looking at Liberty since they are local, I can save a few bucks by dropping it off and picking it up. I'm going to give them a call and see what's up. thanks for the replies so far!
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:39 PM   #9
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If you are running stock axles and the trans output shaft broke before they did, that just doesn't seem right. Or maybe, like I said GM really doesn't know what cars received questionable output shafts and some are in cars with vin's greater than 25000.
I haven't upgraded my sig, but i'm running DSS 1400hp axles, I figured I would replace those before the stock ones broke. I pretty much upgraded everything except the trans, and driveshaft at this point.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:51 PM   #10
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Shouldn't be if car is a 2010 under vin 25000. Known problem and GM never released vin #'s of cars with suspect transmission output shafts ( cause they really don't know ) other than cars with vins lower than 25000 MAY BE affected. There is a TSB on broken output shafts in 2010 SS cars, you need to inform your dealer about it.
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I'm always paranoid about seeing this number for this issue, since mine is 25261. Also, this was for production run 1, 125000
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I'm always paranoid about seeing this number for this issue, since mine is 25261. Also, this was for production run 1, 125000
hahaha, me too...mine was built the following week.
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Old 04-19-2012, 04:58 PM   #12
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My vin is just above 30,000.

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Any experience with what the costs would run to rebuild the trans? I didn't think this fix was going to be cheap, just sucks it happened right after putting 5+ grand into the thing. What's that saying you gotta pay to play.
I've rebuilt plenty of T56s but haven't torn into a tr6060 yet, but they shouldn't be much different. I'm guessing the output shaft might be $300 or so and since you have to take the COMPLETE thing apart to swap it out I would go ahead and upgrade the syncros.

Depending on how much your shop charges I would say as cheap as $600 or as much as $1000. Also that is if it was a clean break and didn't mess anything else up.
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It's sad stories like this one that make me glad I did my drivetrain before I started adding the horsepower. This past winter I added 1400 hp axles and 1 pc aluminum driveshaft from DSS along with a new clutch, Pfadt trailing arms and toe rods, and had Liberty rebuild my trans. Kevin, SUX2BU is correct it won't be cheap, Liberty will do a rebuild the same basic rebuild as the Tick level 3 for just under 2k. I had mine done as my vin# is 10320, but from your info above it sure sounds like the folks at GM haven't quite shared "all of the story" with us on the output shaft problem. I feel your pain Kevin, I ran out of coin before I could do anything with my differential so I'm hoping to get thru the year at 415rwhp so far so good best of 12.83, we'll see if it makes it to the end of the season.
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:21 AM   #14
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It's sad stories like this one that make me glad I did my drivetrain before I started adding the horsepower. This past winter I added 1400 hp axles and 1 pc aluminum driveshaft from DSS along with a new clutch, Pfadt trailing arms and toe rods, and had Liberty rebuild my trans. Kevin, SUX2BU is correct it won't be cheap, Liberty will do a rebuild the same basic rebuild as the Tick level 3 for just under 2k. I had mine done as my vin# is 10320, but from your info above it sure sounds like the folks at GM haven't quite shared "all of the story" with us on the output shaft problem. I feel your pain Kevin, I ran out of coin before I could do anything with my differential so I'm hoping to get thru the year at 415rwhp so far so good best of 12.83, we'll see if it makes it to the end of the season.
I'm with you Dan, but just 125 HP over stock shouldn't be breaking anything. This car mimmicks mine as far as the build goes. Just pisses me off to hear such sad news like this with just a fair amount of increase.

1400hp axles for 460 at the tire is a slap in the face. Or it could be the crown and butterscotch schnapps talking, but this rubs me the wrong way. I may be alone on this, but this is one cheaply/minimal made car for the american dollar inside and out.

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I'm always paranoid about seeing this number for this issue, since mine is 25261. Also, this was for production run 1, 125000
I am 18K plus but c'mon.. for a 32K plus camaro??? 32 K peeps... this truly sucks
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It sucks but it is what it is. I knew what I was getting into when I decided to take it to the track and build it for the track/street. I'm going to find weak parts and will have to replace them. I tried going about it proactively but I took a gamble on the trans. The only thing I'm really dissapointed in is that it's going to take 8 weeks to get the trans back, but when I do it, it will be built for the enventual S/C and be able to hold the torque. The trans rebuild was already planned, this just moves up the timetable by well a lot...lol.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:57 AM   #17
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I am 18K plus but c'mon.. for a 32K plus camaro??? 32 K peeps... this truly sucks
Bone don't worry i'm sure your car is fine...just don't put on Drag radials and do a (freaking awesome, if I must say) burnout when the track is already pretty damn sticky and then launch it like you stole it. The car was not built for that...unless you go with the COPO.
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Kevin, I must say you have a great attitude and understanding about what you are doing with the car. I totally agree with you, if you are going to build the car for the strip/street then you need to address the parts that are not designed or engineered at the factory to take the added stress that the drag racing puts on the car. The bottom line is, you can't add all kinds of horsepower to a stock drive train and expect the parts to last.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:00 AM   #19
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My wife is the one with the great attitude and understanding. When I told her I could put it back to stock for 1g or build it the right way for 3g but it would take 8 weeks, all she said was "going to suck not having the car for 8 weeks". She is awesome
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:23 AM   #20
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KMSRS2SS, is that $3K and 8 weeks normal lead time or is your shop really jammed right now?

I have to do this too, targeting 600rwhp, hoping my trans will last through the clutch break-in period this summer.

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Old 04-20-2012, 10:41 AM   #21
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The shop is jammed, it's that time of the season I guess. The price I mention would be all the costs I would have wrapped into it. Just the rebuild is around 2000, so if you can remove it and put it back in then you would save a bunch. I think the break was due more to the torque than HP, but I plan to be around 550 torque at the wheel after the S/C.
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That wait time is not excessive for this time of year BackinBlack. I had mine done there in mid January and it took almost 5 weeks at that time, but in mid January around here thats not anything to worry about. In Kevin's case it will seem like 12 weeks I'm sure, and Kevin you have an awesome wife, mine is the same way she has been very supportive thru all the "car" things I do
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Sometimes (but very few), its nice to have a worry free V6!

Now what was that Crown and butterscotch schnapps thing??
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Kevin, I must say you have a great attitude...
Amen to that. You should have seen him at the track. He took it WAY better than I would have. He even took some video of a couple of us making passes while he was waiting for a tow.

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