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Old 10-26-2013, 12:24 AM   #1
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2015 ZL1 Drag Edition

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Ok, we have had the supercar debate and the Z/28 vs. ZL1 debate, now it is time to get back to business! Looking at the above picture it makes me think that maybe it is time for another class. We have pony cars, muscle cars, sports cars, supercars and now MEGATRON cars. Obviously Camaro has the market cornered on transformation. We have seen how the Camaro has obliterated the competition on a road course. The 1LE, ZL1 and Z/28 are kings of the road course. Ford tried but failed and the other company (Buhler, Buhler, Buhler) hasn’t even shown up, but that is about to change. The “Hellcat” appears to be attempting to enter the fray. The ZL1 was first and appears it will remain the best all-around transformer. The “Hellcat” appears to be suffering from the same problem as the GT500, overpowering to make up for a lack of a good suspension, rear end, too much weight and like the GT500 maybe brakes. Unless Ford and Mopar address the suspension, brakes and rear end issues they will never compete with Camaros on the track. The Z/28 has set the bar on the track, isn’t it time that the Camaro sets the standard at the drag strip.
I think it is time we take the title for “King of Road” to include the drag strip. I think GM should put out a ZL1 (drag strip option) either the last year of the Gen5 or first year of Gen6. Using the ZL1 as a base platform would also be true to the heritage of the ZL1 as a drag car. The ZL1 has proven it is the perfect platform for increased power as substantiated by many ZL1 owners here. It is about time they produce a drag version that will take it to the GT500 and the “HellCat”. For all intensive purposes they made a strictly track car (Z/28) so why not a strip dedicated version (I know we have the COPO but it is not street legal). I think by taking over the drag strip the Camaro has the potential to be the true “King of the Road”
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Old 10-26-2013, 01:13 AM   #2
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I would love for GM to just give us factory stage kits like they did with the Cobalt SS to address the HP deficit as a start.
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Old 10-26-2013, 01:57 AM   #3
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Man...That would be sweet! I don't know why that wasn't priority number 1. But Great! Now we have a snake and a cat to deal with!
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Old 10-26-2013, 10:49 AM   #4
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The “Hellcat” appears to be suffering from the same problem as the GT500, overpowering to make up for a lack of a good suspension, rear end, too much weight and like the GT500 maybe brakes. Unless Ford and Mopar address the suspension, brakes and rear end issues they will never compete with Camaros on the track.
That's a big assumption for a car that's not out on the street yet. The fact is; if the Hellcat beats the ZL1 soundly in straight line performance the majority of enthusiasts (not mag writers) will declare it faster regardless of any track lap times from tracks none of them will ever visit.

For the record; the new GT500 is not a clod. They're bad to bone. My friend has a heavily modded '12 and you would be surprised how well Ford has done with the live axle setup. Not as good as the ZL1 but pretty darn good. It's the clutch and shifter that make a bigger difference between the two imo.

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I think it is time we take the title for “King of Road” to include the drag strip. I think GM should put out a ZL1 (drag strip option) either the last year of the Gen5 or first year of Gen6. Using the ZL1 as a base platform would also be true to the heritage of the ZL1 as a drag car.
I agree and been stating this for a while now; but it seems GM is going away from straight line performance to focus on handling in pursuit to become more of a globally accepted brand when it comes to performance numbers. Which is fine; but then you become a jack of all trades but master of none.

Back to the point. I doubt GM will offer a drag pack for the 5th Gen ZL1; but let's dream anyway. Drop in the LS9 (with a CAI, but don't rate the hp to contribute to the aura), offer only the 6L90E (loosen the stall by 200-300 rpms) with the 3.90 rears from the 1LE, Z228 exhaust and wheels (but please, no crappy GY tires) and throw in some weight reduction and maybe even change the hood (gasp) to a super lightweight cowl induction for one last stab at nostalgia. I wouldn't be surprised if don't already have something similar tooling around at their skunkworks.
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well I just got a job as a manager at a Chrysler dealership... lol I can bet you a dime to a dollar I will have a very long drive in one when they come out.. I love the platform, but I like everything big and heavy but my woman..
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well I just got a job as a manager at a Chrysler dealership... lol I can bet you a dime to a dollar I will have a very long drive in one when they come out.. I love the platform, but I like everything big and heavy but my woman..
Lmao... hahaha.. agree!
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In the same way the zl1 ran a faster track time in roughly half the tests against the GT500, and was more predictable and easier to drive doing so,

You might as well go ahead and call the zl1 the king of the street and drag strip too...its an auto so surely its more predictable and easy to pilot down the strip.

Ford tried and failed at everything against the super car camaro lineup.
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Old 10-26-2013, 01:45 PM   #8
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I tend to look at this differently than most on this board. I think it's awesome that no matter which brand you prefer, you can go get an amazing muscle car (all equipped with their own strengths and weaknesses).
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i love my ZL1 and even if the GT500 and the hellcat is more powerfull i dont give a dam...bc there's always something faster then your ride.....why don't you just enjoy it!
5.ZL1..GT500..Hellcat..GTR...ZR1..etc..etc...
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I really don't get it !!!!!!why do we have to be always the King of the King of the King wtf........
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i love my ZL1 and even if the GT500 and the hellcat is more powerfull i dont give a dam...bc there's always something faster then your ride..... why don't you just enjoy it!
5.ZL1..GT500..Hellcat..GTR...ZR1..etc..etc...
4.Suzuki GSXR 1000
3.Formula1
2.Lockheed martin F35 lightning 2
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I really don't get it !!!!!!why do we have to be always the King of the King of the King wtf........
Because it drives manufacturer improvements.


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Not for long bc in few years HP will drop alot and the electrical engin will start to rise bc gaz will be to xpensive and rare....1 think is good for us! collectionners will pay alot to buy our cars ...bc they wont be able to buy brand new 600HP Gaz engin anymore.....
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Not for long bc in few years HP will drop alot and the electrical engin will start to rise bc gaz will be to xpensive and rare....1 think is good for us! collectionners will pay alot to buy our cars ...bc they wont be able to buy brand new 600HP Gaz engin anymore.....
Maybe not, but maybe they will hydrogen powered and even faster. Competition is good, it drive technological improvements. Wouldn't it be cool to own the last gas powered, fastest stock, street legal 1/4 mile car in history?


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well, I wanted a car that could do it all, and handle to, unfortunately I needed a back seat so I opted for the ZL1...I really would like to see a bigger badder challenger though.. they need to build a trans and a rear end to handle the power as the car they have now does not have either of those.. every modded Chrysler I see is held back by the driveline not the motor.. a supercharged 6.4 liter hemi? bring back the damn prowler and stick it in there and let us all kill ourselves..
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In the same way the zl1 ran a faster track time in roughly half the tests against the GT500, and was more predictable and easier to drive doing so,

You might as well go ahead and call the zl1 the king of the street and drag strip too...its an auto so surely its more predictable and easy to pilot down the strip.

Ford tried and failed at everything against the super car camaro lineup.
OK... I'll bite

The ZL1 is not king of the drag strip in this category, the GT500 is.

The ZL1 is not just an auto. Majority built are manuals

Yes it's more predictable and easy to pilot, but it's slow in a straight line.

I like where the OP is going with this. This is exactly what's needed to trump Ford all the way around and the ZL1 has the platform to do it.
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I view the COPO as the serious drag option and it's already here...albeit not for the masses.
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I view the COPO as the serious drag option and it's already here...albeit not for the masses.
That is why I stated that, we are talking street legal.


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That would be awesome!!!! Road course is fine and all but most of the camaro owners I know dont take their cars to the road cousre they go to the drag strip. The COPO is great but its not a car anyone can just go buy and lke you said ''not street legal'' ... I think they should make a drag strip camaro edition that anyone can go and buy just like the 1LE. And if it was a ZL1 Drag strip option I'd trade mine in and buy one in a heart beat!!!
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The ZL1 is not king of the drag strip in this category, the GT500 is.

The ZL1 is not just an auto. Majority built are manuals

Yes it's more predictable and easy to pilot, but it's slow in a straight line.

I like where the OP is going with this. This is exactly what's needed to trump Ford all the way around and the ZL1 has the platform to do it.

I have seen WAY more 11 sec stock zl1s IN PERSON, than 11 sec gt500s in person... and I travel.. a lot... just sayin..
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I don't think Chevrolet will do anything other than make improvements on what they already have. I think they'll keep up the "less is more" strategy and focus on all around performance.

Dodge however is playing catch up. The "Hellcat" will be expensive as most Dodge vehicles are there first year of release but will see a big decline soon after. They have the worst deappreciation value! The S/C engine will be in Chargers, 300s a year or so after they release the Challenger "Hellcat". Exciting nonetheless. Looking forward to the changes the Challenger/Barracuda will be undergoing.

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I don't think Chevrolet will do anything other than make improvements on what they already have. I think they'll keep up the "less is more" strategy.

Dodge however is playoff catch up. The "Hellcat" will be expensive as most Dodge vehicles are there first year of release but will see a big decline soon after. They have the worst deappreciation value! That's why I purchased a leftover 300 SRT8 for $45,400, MSRP at $58,585. You won't find a brand new ZL1 for that price. The S/C engine will be in Chargers, 300s a year or so after they release the Challenger "Hellcat". Exciting nonetheless.
Based on all the different versions of the Camaro available now, I don't believe It is less is more,, it seems like the more the merrier and I think we should encourage more. They already probably have this project on the backburner or maybe the frontburner. It is up to us to encourage and motivate them to produce it!


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I have seen WAY more 11 sec stock zl1s IN PERSON, than 11 sec gt500s in person... and I travel.. a lot... just sayin..
That's good to know. I haven't seen a manual Z get close to 12.0 yet.
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A street legal car that is focused 100% on drag racing doesn't make sense in my opinion.
It is very easy for that to be surpassed.
How fast would this drag pack be? faster than a gtr? veyron? if its not the absolute fastest car in the 1/4mile than youve basically made a one trick pony that isnt the best in the world at its one trick.
If it even is the best when it is made all another manufacturer that has a car that is close has to do is bump up the hp a little bit and then bam one year later your car isnt the best anymore.
Cars need more than 1 solid function , the z28 is a complete performance package , brakes. suspension, engine and looks (obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder). The ZL1 is a complete package with all the performance qualities as a z28 obviously not as extreme in the performance categories, all though it has alot more comfort features.
Another issue would be why would they go through all the trouble of fitting this theroetical monster drag engine into the camaro and not make in available on the z28 or zl1, it would need more hp than the zl1 to be the 1/4 mile king as you say, because you couldn't do enough weight reduction without making it into a copo type car.
Also chevrolet has never out shined the corvettes hp with another car, Im very surprised they have the z28s torque higher the z06s the only reason I can think of is they're not available in the same model year.
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