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Old 03-03-2014, 09:48 AM   #1
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LS9 option on the ZL1 for 2015

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Do you think for 2015 they would offer the LS9 on the ZL1 as an option? IF so what would you pay for it? For me I would pay an extra 8K for it.
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I don't think anything will change with a major redesign coming for 16
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:24 AM   #3
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Do you think for 2015 they would offer the LS9 on the ZL1 as an option? IF so what would you pay for it? For me I would pay an extra 8K for it.
$8K for an extra 60hp or so??
Why?

And no, there won't be any big changes (I predict) for the last MY of any car even the ZL1. Any major changes would just be incorporated into the new 6th Gen.
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The time for changes would've been this year. Look at Chevy's handling of the C6 Z06 and ZR1. The two vettes power ratings did not change, so its a safe bet that the ZL will stay at its current rating. Also consider that the new Z/28 is doing fine image wise despite being 80 hp short from the ZL.
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$8K for an extra 60hp or so??
Why?
Exactly, pulleys and tune are cheaper
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Old 03-03-2014, 01:13 PM   #7
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$8K for an extra 60hp or so??
Why?

And no, there won't be any big changes (I predict) for the last MY of any car even the ZL1. Any major changes would just be incorporated into the new 6th Gen.
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Exactly, pulleys and tune are cheaper
Just more potential in the LS9 as it comes with the 2.3L screw and a few other goodies.
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Old 03-03-2014, 03:23 PM   #8
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Just more potential in the LS9 as it comes with the 2.3L screw and a few other goodies.
The LS9 has the same supercharger as the LSA, just a larger displacement, they are both roots type blowers as far as I know. The LS9 has stronger internals, it is easy enough to obtain the same power numbers as the LS9 without voiding your warranty, although one part, a lower s/c pulley would be smart to swap out , before bringing it into gm for any drivetrain warranty work. But the ZR1 is still way lighter and more aerodynamic so it will still be much faster
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Just more potential in the LS9 as it comes with the 2.3L screw and a few other goodies.
There's no denying, but GM isn't going to invest the money into a major change like putting the LS9 in there for one year, and, it's hardly worth it to buy an LS9 to put in there. Now, you want to get a ZL1 and swap in basically the parts to make it a LS9, go ahead. Although if you were going to do that it would behoove you to go ahead and make even more motor because the cost difference would be negligible.

Of course the ZR1 is a more capable car. For this reason and that a lot of us bought a Camaro and wanted the top dog Camaro at that. Some people site the need for extra seats, I've met people who carry their two kids to car shows in their ZL1, others it's the price difference. For me, I just wanted a Camaro, it takes me back to my youth. I wasn't shopping for a Corvette. So price difference between a ZL1 and a base Vette, Z06, or ZR1 really didn't come into play because I wanted what I wanted and never went and looked at another car.
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Old 03-03-2014, 04:29 PM   #10
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Old 03-03-2014, 04:53 PM   #11
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The LS9 has the same supercharger as the LSA, just a larger displacement, they are both roots type blowers as far as I know. The LS9 has stronger internals, it is easy enough to obtain the same power numbers as the LS9 without voiding your warranty, although one part, a lower s/c pulley would be smart to swap out , before bringing it into gm for any drivetrain warranty work. But the ZR1 is still way lighter and more aerodynamic so it will still be much faster
I don't want to start a war but if you read what you said "LS9 has the same supercharger as the LSA, just a larger displacement" then how can it be the same?

Also the LS9 supercharger has a different intercooler, more efficient.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:07 PM   #12
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If they do anything I would think they might offer the Carbon Fiber Ed they showed in 2012 and then never offered it. I would think if they offered a motor up grade it would be the new ZO6 engine. I'm guessing the LS9 is done, but I thought that about the LS7 also, so what do I know.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:12 PM   #13
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I just figured if they had left over LS9's as the new Z06 will get the LT4. An LS7 would be nice as well. (as an option for those who want it)
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:06 PM   #14
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I just figured if they had left over LS9's as the new Z06 will get the LT4. An LS7 would be nice as well. (as an option for those who want it)
The LS7 is going in the Z/28 and has less power than our LSA so I'm relatively certain it will never be in a ZL1. The Z/28 is the main reason we will probably never see the LS9 in a ZL1. A special Carbon edition ZL1 with the LS9 would be a very nice package. The extra blower capacity in the LS9 allows the engine to make more power and boost. Dry sump lubrication, titanium rods and intake valves, forged pistons.... there are some nice features in the LS9. But if you had a bunch more power and less weight in a ZL1 then the Z/28 would get blown away and that horse has already left the barn. There is no way GM is going to offer a ZL1 package that destroys or even seriously threatens the new golden boy Z/28.
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I'd rather see the current ZL1 lose ~500lbs. than an LS9 stuffed in there...
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Good comments, you are probably right, but I can dream.........
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I don't want to start a war but if you read what you said "LS9 has the same supercharger as the LSA, just a larger displacement" then how can it be the same?

Also the LS9 supercharger has a different intercooler, more efficient.
What I meant by that was it is a larger version in the same line of superchargers, saying that they arent different types of superchargers
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Gotcha and noted
The rotor type is the same however the inter cooler is much better. A lot of ZL1 owners are modifying the cooling system, maybe with an LS9 we would not have to, but I could be wrong.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:09 AM   #19
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We'll they made
a last year 427 corvette
A last 1.5 year Z28 with the corvette Z06 LS7 engine.
A last year ZL1 with the corvette ZR1 LS9 engine is not impossible, given the new mustang,new supercharged challenger and the fact that Chevrolet opens the 2015 Camaro order banks the same day as the 50th anniversary of the mustang 4/17. Just a coincidence ? maybe, maybe not.
I have no idea but it does seem reasonable that Chevrolet might do something to create a little buzz.
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Considering in this day and age in the "just in time" manufacturing environment they don't really have "leftover engines" anymore except for those required for parts replacements. And maybe a few for GMPP. The idea of perhaps not changing the designs of current engines and just producing more is basically more cost efficient but there would need a greenlight to do that, along with all the drawings, literature and service information would need updating. A mountain of supporting work to change one engine.

While it's feasible they could make an LS9 in the ZL1, IMO, the chances of that happening for 2015 is about the same as the 2015 Z/28 getting a supercharger.
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I am not sure I would pay the 10k extra. I mean considering that cai, lower pulley, tb, tune get you right around the same HP numbers.

honesly 65k is alot for a car. the 55k I paid was more than I wanted to spend and to be able to add similar power for $1200.

then again if that motor some how worked "better" in reality than paper shows maybe.

I think they should have a version though. why not they have the motor they make the car
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I agree Hognutz,

They can keep the LSA for the ZL1, but have an option for those who want it. There probably would not be a lot sold anyhow, but it would be a really cool thing. I hope GM is listening.
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We'll they made
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A last year ZL1 with the corvette ZR1 LS9 engine is not impossible, given the new mustang,new supercharged challenger and the fact that Chevrolet opens the 2015 Camaro order banks the same day as the 50th anniversary of the mustang 4/17. Just a coincidence ? maybe, maybe not.
I have no idea but it does seem reasonable that Chevrolet might do something to create a little buzz.
I will hope for that. I would great to have a drag racing edition (LS9) for the final year of the Gen 5, let it go out with a bang!!! They can make it an option so only those that will pony up can get it.
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:21 PM   #24
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The simple reason Is the ZL1 is the TOP DOG (GM's own word's) & will always have the most HP of Any Camaro .If you read GM's own Statement that is the reason the Z28 didnt get more power.plus a NA High RPM flat torque Band will Also work better in a road car,Plus it's a dry sump NA motor which They needed to have due to rule book for the racing Series they wanted to race in...



There is a lot of differences Between the LSA and the LS9 ,from the forged lower end,heads,blower,cam,and a huge difference in the oiling system.so for 8k difference in price if you think about everything that you would get I for one would pay it to get a ZL1 with a LS9 in it if i had the choice when i purchased one.
It would cost a lot more than 8 k to swap out one for the other...Buying everything NEW

Also you know GM thinks most things out,so i for one would think that GM would also do other drive line updates,and even Carbon brakes....
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....went to the back of Funk and Wagnel's porch and looked in the mayonaise jar....hmmmm....ok, found the letter. The answer is...no. LSA remains unchanged, powerplant for 2015 ZL1 remains unchanged. As much as we debated the price differential of the LS7 VS the LSA...the LS9 price tag takes affordability out of the price picture. And GM isn't going to cut any slack on it's worth either. It's a nice thought though! When the car has been held within a narrow price band since it's inception, placing that into the chasis will make it a lower number higher dollar exit piece.
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