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Old 04-22-2012, 09:11 PM   #1
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Leather conditioner ??

I am looking for a leather conditioner with no odor. My Camaro has about 1500 miles on it and I would like to condition the leather. Although I don't want to change the smell of the interior. The factory leather smell may be one of the best smells on the planet! Any recommendations? I also have concerns about the perforated leather, any application tips? Filling those little holes with conditioner doesn't seem attractive.
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Old 04-22-2012, 09:24 PM   #2
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I know you want no odor, but Zaino Z-10 can not be beat on the real leather smell because it has real leather oil in it, not fake leather oil or fake smell.
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Old 04-22-2012, 09:55 PM   #3
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Your "new car" leather smell will eventually fade away. A few of Adams products I actually like are the leather cleaner and the conditioner. I have never had problems with it getting in the tiny holes and staying. No greasy feel left on the seats.
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Old 04-22-2012, 10:41 PM   #4
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I have only used Adam's conditioner and it does NOT smell like leather. It smells decent, like a hand lotion or such. Adam's conditioner though needs to be applied in tiny amounts so the other problem is that you don't know if you're even getting the stuff on there. If you put a tiny bit more it turns into ArmorAll and have shiny interior (not preferable)

Try the zaino and if there is any left shoot some this way
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:37 AM   #5
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I use the Adams leather conditioner I and like the way it smells. Plus it makes the leather feel new.
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:51 AM   #6
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Zaino, some smell but like leather..will not greatly change the current smell.
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:17 AM   #7
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Here is the thing..

Your leather on your Camaro really doesn't need to be conditioned, at least not in the marketing sense. This is because the leather in the Camaro is coated/pigmented leather with a spray vinyl dye. The actual surface you feel (and what provides your seats with the color) is actually a colored vinyl like material.

Proper leather care on new cars starts with keeping the leather absolutely clean. Vacuum it frequently to keep dust and dirt off of the surface. Dust and dirt will act like abrasives that will 'sand' the vinyl coating over time making it appear shiny, and evenutally sand through it so you can see the gray (natural) color of the hide underneath.

Clean the leather semi-frequently to remove harm impurities, namely body oils. Body oils can damage the coating on your leather over time and dry it out, which leads to premature creasing. Note some aging of the leather is unavoidable, particularly on the side bolsters, but much like skin, it can be reduced by maintence.

Lastly, use a high quality protectant that forums a layer of protection on the leather (similar to a wax for paint). This will reduce soiling and the effects from body oils, while reducing the chances of the leather getting stained from things like blue jean dye transfer.

The best leather care products I have tested and used are from Leather Masters. Leather Masters products are developed by the world-famous chemist Dr. Leo Tork and are manufactured in Italy. Leather Master private labels Ferrari's leather car products and makes a lot of products for the leather furniture market as well, working directly with leather manufacturers. Simply put, they are the best leather products I have ever used. They are also used by the top-end detailers around the country.

Over time the vinyl-like coating on your leather will become permeable and the leather underneath will become exposed. At this point you can use something like the Leatherique Treatment to deep condition the hide under the coating, but I wouldn't start with a regimen like this for at least 1 year.

Best of all, Leather Master's brand products (you want the Rapid Cleaner S and Leather Protection Cream) will not alter the smell or feel of your leather.
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ADAM'S:
Had a little drizzle and after entering and exiting the car twice this happened:





Before I was just unimpressed, however I am NOT happy with this
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Had a little drizzle and after entering and exiting the car twice this happened:





Before I was just unimpressed, however I am NOT happy with this
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What is satin prot?

I applied the conditioner to the black plastic
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:16 PM   #11
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Adams products are sometimes inconsistent... I bought Adams svrt, 16oz.. The following week I bought a 36 ounce size. The 16 oz bottle was very watery compared to the thick svrt in the 36 oz bottle.. Not even close. The watery texture of the smaller bottle makes it tough to spread cause it just soaks into the tire applicator. What's the deal??
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Adams products are sometimes inconsistent... I bought Adams svrt, 16oz.. The following week I bought a 36 ounce size. The 16 oz bottle was very watery compared to the thick svrt in the 36 oz bottle.. Not even close. The watery texture of the smaller bottle makes it tough to spread cause it just soaks into the tire applicator. What's the deal??
I just popped open a new bottle of SVRT I've had on the shelf for a while and it's quite watery too. Darker color too. I just assumed they changed the formula. Still worked fine.



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What is satin prot?

I applied the conditioner to the black plastic
It's the best interior conditioner I've ever used. Made by Werkstat. I always encourage people who are unhappy with what they're using to give it a try. Nobody has ever told me they were disappointed.

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Old 04-23-2012, 05:20 PM   #14
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Your "new car" leather smell will eventually fade away. A few of Adams products I actually like are the leather cleaner and the conditioner. I have never had problems with it getting in the tiny holes and staying. No greasy feel left on the seats.
+1. I just did my seats yesterday, they feel and smell great today. No grease or residue, just nice shiny leather.
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Adams products are sometimes inconsistent... I bought Adams svrt, 16oz.. The following week I bought a 36 ounce size. The 16 oz bottle was very watery compared to the thick svrt in the 36 oz bottle.. Not even close. The watery texture of the smaller bottle makes it tough to spread cause it just soaks into the tire applicator. What's the deal??
Any chance it froze or was exposed to high heat? Generally thats the only things that cause drastic changes in consistency. In any event thats what the guarantee is for... if its not working as its supposed to shoot me a PM and we'll sort you out with a new bottle.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:06 PM   #16
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Any chance it froze or was exposed to high heat? Generally thats the only things that cause drastic changes in consistency. In any event thats what the guarantee is for... if its not working as its supposed to shoot me a PM and we'll sort you out with a new bottle.
I keep alll of my products in my spare bedroom... Inside. I received a small travel size of svrt when I bought a daily deal from the site, but that consistency is watery too.
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Not necessarily meaning while in your care... but the time of year it was shipped... sometimes if you order during winter a bottle might sit on a truck and get exposed to cold without you knowing.

When did you order the 'runny' ones? December/January are always rough on packages.

Also shoot me a PM if they're causing you any issues so we can replace them.
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Any chance it froze or was exposed to high heat? Generally thats the only things that cause drastic changes in consistency. In any event thats what the guarantee is for... if its not working as its supposed to shoot me a PM and we'll sort you out with a new bottle.
I live in Vegas and store all of my car cleaning stuff in the garage. Summer temps outside get over 100 degrees. I'm not sure what temp my garage gets in the summer but would you say that it's bad to keep all of my precious Adam's stuff in there?
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Yes.... some products are more temp tolerant than others, but as a general rule if theres any chance you're going to be outside of the 45-85* range it would be best to move them indoors.

Heres some more specific info on the various products and how they're impacted by temps:

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The next in my series of FAQ threads, addressing our most common questions and concerns with aspects of detailing.

So you've invested a good amount of money into detailing chemicals to care for your car, truck, SUV or bike. Because some chemicals, like polishes, are low volume use its common to start to have bottles that are a few years old before they're completely used up. The listing below is to serve as a guideline for product 'expiration' and means to determine if you need to replace something. This by no means is an exact timetable. Products should be evaluated regularly to determine their usefulness. If you have any questions about the current condition of a product you own please email tips@adamspolishes.com with a description of your concern and if possible a picture of its undisturbed state.

HOW MUCH OR HOW FREQUENTLY TO BUY

As tempting as it may be to show your friends up with a complete collection of 5 gallon refills, this might not always be the best practice when it comes to keeping your chemicals fresh. As a general rule try to never buy more of any one product than you can see yourself reasonably using in 1-2 years time. Not only are products fickle when it comes to use beyond that timeframe, Adam's does reformulate and tweak formulas every few years. If you're stocked up with 5 years of chemical, it can be rather frustrating when that new 'stuff' is released.


BEST PRACTICES
There are a few general rules that should be followed with all your detailing chemicals to make sure they're ready to use and not prematurely ruined.
  • TEMPERATURE - Products should be stored in a temperature controlled environment whenever possible. If your garage dips below 40* in the winter months or sees temps north of 85-90* in the summer it would be in your best interest to store the products indoors. Heat and cold will have a dramatic impact on products, can alter their composition, and generally render them useless or ineffective.


  • SUNLIGHT EXPOSURE - Whenever possible detailing chemicals should be stored in a closed cabinet or at the very least out of direct sunlight exposure for extended periods of time. Sun can cause color and scent changes, as well as performace issues with products like Glass Cleaner, Waterless Wash, and APC. Chemicals being exposed to sunlight during use isn't a concern, but try to return the bottles to a shady or covered area if they won't be used for more than a few minutes.


  • SHAKE BEFORE EACH USE - All chemicals should be shaken well prior to each use. Chemicals that have been in storage for extended periods of time should be shaken even more and for a longer period to ensure that they are fully mixed. If a product will be stored for an extended period of time without use, try to at least make a point to shake the bottle very few months to prevent permanent separation.


  • LONG TERM CAPPING - Any chemical that will be stored for more than a few months without use should be re-capped with the red shipping plug that was inserted at the time of bottling. Remove any sprayers and replace with caps if possible. The red shipping caps under the lids ensure an air tight seal and reduce the chances of product failure.


  • CLEANING BOTTLES - before storing your products be sure that there is no residual chemical residues on the bottom or sides of the bottle. Not only will these make a mess of whatever storage area you have chosen, there is also a risk of damage to the label or bottle which could potentially result in a leak or other issue with the product while not in use. Wipe each bottle dry before putting it away.

INDIVIDUAL PRODUCT CONCERNS
  • APC, Leather & Interior Cleaner, GWC, DS, and UCS are all relatively forgiving when it comes to temperature. They may have some visual chemical separation or slight color changes over time, but so long as the product can be shaken and does not re-separate it is safe to use. APC and LIC are especially susceptible to sun exposure. As little as 10 minutes in direct or intense sunlight will bleach these products out... it still works fine, but may have an odd aroma if this happens. UCS experiences a higher than usual expansion and contraction rate with heat... as such it can cause bottles to crack and/or leak when the bottle is outside of the recommended temp range. Keep this in mind when choosing your storage area as it can stain if it does leak.


  • Super VRT, Original VRT, and Car Wash Shampoo are particularly susceptible to cold. Freezing of car wash or SVRT will result many times in an odd separation of the chemicals parts where the product will appear like jello in the middle, surrounded by a thin/runny liquid. Even after shaking these may not remix. To determine if your bottle needs to be replaced shake the product very well then set on a level surface undisturbed for 1-2 days. If the product separates out again in this time it should be replaced. If it doesn't then it will be safe to use. If either product becomes excessively watery or runny it may have been exposed to high heat and should be replaced.


  • Paint polishes including SSR, SHR, FMP, & Revive. Because polishes are comprised of 2 parts (liquid and solid) they tend to separate mostly with time. Heat and cold tend not to play as large a role in their storage as other chemicals. Because of this polishes can generally be stored outdoors (garage) so long as no freezing occurs. Some separation will happen even after a short storage in ideal temps so it is absolutely required that all polishes be shaken well prior to use. Failure to get the product fully mixed can result in an abnormally high or low amount of abrasives suspended and ultimate change how the product performs on your paint.


  • Metal Polish 1, Metal Polish 2, and Brilliant Glaze separate quickly. This is perfectly normal... a clearish solution will rise to the top while the larger, more opaque solids fall to the bottom. Its suggested that you not allow these products to sit in a 'separated' state for more than 3 months at any given time as they may become difficult to remix. Avoid freezing temps at all costs, all 3 products are more forgiving of heat than they are of cold.


  • Buttery Wax, Leather Conditioner, Clay Bars, and Super Sealant should be stored in a temp controlled environment. Freezing and/or excessive heat have detrimental effects on these products performance so storing in the proper location is key. Buttery Wax specifically may experience some oily separation on the upper layer if exposed to high heat. Try shaking the bottle well and inspecting to make sure it remixed. If it begins to develop that oily upper layer again the product is likely no good and should be replaced.


  • Americana is most harmed by high heat which can cause melting, separation, and tub warping. On the positive side hard waxes like Americana can be stored in a refrigerator without any harm to the product. If storing in a refrigerator make sure to allow additional time before use for the product to come up to a usable temperature. DO NOT MICROWAVE THE PRODUCT AT ANY TIME! When storing Americana the surface of the wax should be free of any debris and the applicator should be removed from the pot. The applicator is only placed under the lid for shipping purposes and can cause issues if left inside the pot for extended periods of time.


  • Aerosol products like In & Out Spray and Quick Sealant can be stored in moderate environments without any degradation to performance. Some caution should be exercised in conditions of extremely high temps as the added pressure can result in sprayer failure or other problems. When done with any aerosol product dispose of the can appropriately by holding it upside down and expelling the remaining propellant into a trashcan. Once fully discharged the can is 100% recyclable.
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So I guess my travel size of Adam's interior cleaner can't travel in my car since it would cook in Vegas summer temps? Oh well...time to let the wife know that her stupid craft stuff can't live in the house, but my car cleaning stuff can
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