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Old 04-24-2012, 02:01 PM   #1
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paint sealant

Anyone going to have their car paint sealed...
Got my dealer to throw it in for me,but he did mark
the price up 3000 over msrp...so I guess i kind of paid for it.
I had to ask him to add it at no cost...he agreed...
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:04 PM   #2
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I'm not 100% sure but I think the dealer paint seal is just a overpriced wax job. Congrats on the beautiful car though!!!
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:16 PM   #3
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They packed on blue sky and paint sealant?

They must be going for the crook of the year dealer award. You have been taken to the cleaners.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:44 PM   #4
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Sounds like a scam to me.
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There is no such thing. Nothing more than a coat of teflon wax. Paint is sealed with clearcoat from the factory.

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You'll get many opinions on the paint protection (paint sealant) the dealers offer.

The dealer normally charges around $400 give or take to apply a coating that comes in liquid form in a can (from what I've been told), and that can of liquid usually sells for around $70.

The way the dealer put it to me is that it is a sealer that bonds to the paint and will protect the paint from many things including bird droppinfs, etc that can be very damaging to ordinary paint IF it's not cleaned up and allowed to set for a while.

He also described it as a lazy man's wax that will guaranty your paint will remain glossy. He said if you're the kind of person that is always waxing/polishing your car, then you don't need it.
If you're the lazy person that maybe waxes the car once a year maybe, then perhaps it would be worth your while to get it.

I have it on my last few cars, and I love it.

Your choice.
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:57 PM   #8
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You'll get many opinions on the paint protection (paint sealant) the dealers offer.

The dealer normally charges around $400 give or take to apply a coating that comes in liquid form in a can (from what I've been told), and that can of liquid usually sells for around $70.

The way the dealer put it to me is that it is a sealer that bonds to the paint and will protect the paint from many things including bird droppinfs, etc that can be very damaging to ordinary paint IF it's not cleaned up and allowed to set for a while.

He also described it as a lazy man's wax that will guaranty your paint will remain glossy. He said if you're the kind of person that is always waxing/polishing your car, then you don't need it.
If you're the lazy person that maybe waxes the car once a year maybe, then perhaps it would be worth your while to get it.

I have it on my last few cars, and I love it.

Your choice.
Thank you it's nice to see something positive..
from what I gather bugs and bird droppings are much easier to remove
with the sealer on. going to florida soon after i receive my car and the
luv bugs can be hell on paint..high acid insect..
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:11 PM   #9
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This what I use on my cars and it works great and easy to apply and remove

http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/...ortby=ourPicks
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You have to read the fine print of the warranty those 'paint sealant' treatments provide you. Sure they will last you forever. ...as long as you return to the dealership every three months for another coat. On some of them if you even miss one appointment they void the warranty. It is just something for dealerships to make a ton of money on and it isn't really any value.

For years Mercedes and Lexus dealerships (just two that I know of for certain) were charging $300 to apply Klasse Sealant Glaze to your car and advertised it would last for a year. Wha?? For one, the bottle cost only $20 bucks and there are 20 or 30 coats worth of product in there, so the profit on that kind of racket is enormous. And secondly, not many products out there will last more than 6 months, but why would you want one that did anyway? You are likely going to pick up some scratches and swirls along the way that you will want to polish out, so getting something that lasts forever on your paint just doesn't seem like good sense. Especially if you are just going to wait around for it to fall off.

I'm not saying 'paint sealants' are a scam, but I am saying that the crap dealerships push are scams. They are not worth what the dealership charges and there are far better options for you out there if you do a little research. Griot's makes some great products. Zaino is one I have no doubt you've heard of as well. Just look around and you'll find a dozen detailing forums with a ton of advice and expert opinions on which sealants provide the best protection and appearance for your vehicle.
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:28 PM   #11
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This what I use on my cars and it works great and easy to apply and remove

http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/...ortby=ourPicks

I am using the same thing. Wash, clay bar, polish and paint Sealant. I know most of the people at Griot's and they make some of the best products.
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Old 04-24-2012, 05:39 PM   #12
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Thank you it's nice to see something positive..
from what I gather bugs and bird droppings are much easier to remove
with the sealer on. going to florida soon after i receive my car and the
luv bugs can be hell on paint..high acid insect..
Do yourself a favor and get yourself a can of Rejex,,there are what they call lovebugs in FL. and they are the worst. After applying to my Z it has proven to be an excellant sealer or bug slide off lubricant,,,,can costs 15 dollars.
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Old 04-24-2012, 05:40 PM   #13
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I am using the same thing. Wash, clay bar, polish and paint Sealant. I know most of the people at Griot's and they make some of the best products.
I agree Griots is the way to go. I just dont know if I'm going to the sealant approach or the 4x a year wax on my ZL1. I have used the sealant on my IROC with great results for several years and I think its better idea than dealer sealants as nobody is going to apply it to your car better yourself and I think the griots stuff is pretty close to what the dealer is gonna use anyway
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:18 PM   #14
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This what I use on my cars and it works great and easy to apply and remove

http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/...ortby=ourPicks

I've been using the same for a good number of years. It lasts well (not forever) and gives a great shine. Road dirt - bugs, bird droppings etc. come of very easy. Good stuff!
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:36 PM   #15
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I work in a dealership. It's a scam. Pay me $400 and I will wax your car. Save your money for tint.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:45 PM   #16
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There is no such thing. Nothing more than a coat of teflon wax. Paint is sealed with clearcoat from the factory.


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Sealants are definitely the way to go. I have been detailing cars for many years and have tried just about every product on the market. Not talking about what you get at your local Auto Zone or Wal-Mart either. Sealants are not like your typical wax as they are made of polymers that bond to your paint when applied.

Sealants are FAR more durable and last way longer than your typical carnuba wax. Carnuba waxes last weeks, where as sealants can last months. Some can and will last up to a year.

If your looking for long lasting protection, and don't want to be waxing your car once a month, then sealants are your best bet.

Another big plus about sealants is that they are very easy to apply and remove, where as allot of waxes can be very finicky.

One of the absolute best sealants on the market is Klasse high gloss sealant glaze. One coat of this stuff and your set for as long as a year depending on how much you wash your car.

Other great sealants out there are Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant, Blackfire wet diamond, Chemical Guys Jet seal 109, Optimum Poly-Seal, and Poorboys EX-P pure sealant.

All of those listed above will give you superior protection for up to 4-6 months. Also all of the products i listed can be found at this very awesome website http://www.autogeek.net/was.html.

Autogeek.net has tons of information and has just about all of the top products on the market for car detailing.

One last thing. There is one carnuba wax on the market that can last as long as sealants, and is one of my personal favorites. It is Collinite liquid insulator wax #845, or Collinite #476. This stuff right here is absolutely amazing! It can also be found at Autogeek.net.

Hope this helps...
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:59 PM   #17
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People still falling for this. This guy was here since 2010. No excuses for.him.
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:10 PM   #18
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Yeah that is a money maker for dealer and I am sure people fall for it all the time. At least they threw it in. I use zaino and it is the best I found. There are others that are probably just as good. I can go almost a year on my truck partial because it is garage.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:00 AM   #19
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I had the simonz glass coat put on my ZL1 and I like it.
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Never. It would take the fun out of detailing and the joy of seeing my favorite carnauba wax exploiting the paint color. Just the paint for me.
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Simoniz Glass Coat is an awesome product interior and exterior $399 is what we charge here. 7 year warranty. www.simonizusa.com check it out..
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:18 AM   #22
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If you believe in dealer paint sealant, I have some prime land out in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico will let you have for half price, $1500...., the only way to treat the car's finish, is a thorough wash job, with Dawn detergent (not in the sun) then clay car the car totally with lubricant, then use whatever glaze or polish you like, give it several coats like Zaino or Adam's, etc, following their stepped programs....you will be very happy with the results and the car always looks shiney !!!
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The idea that the paint is sealed from the factory with clearcoat is not true. Clearcoat is just paint without pigment. It is there as a layer of clear protection for the color coat and provides gloss and some UV protection, but not much. If you want to keep the clearcoat from oxidizing and being damaged from UV rays, bird shit, bug guts, acid rain, or hard water spots from sprinklers, then you need to use something else on the paint.

The difference between 'wax' and 'sealant' is pretty significant. If you stick your finger in warm candle wax you can create a shell around your finger that you can wriggle out of. Car wax is very similar. It coats your car with a shell of carnauba (small percentage of it since carnauba is hard as concrete and requires a lot of solvent to make it usable for cars). There are other oils and fillers put in the product to make it work, but the result is moderate UV protection (just like sunscreen for your skin) and gloss from the oils. In the end though, it is just wax. It isn't going to endure high temperatures for very long and it isn't going to hold up long under acidic bird bombs. (birds don't have kidneys, so they also don't have bladders. The crap and urine is highly acidic and you can almost hear it sizzle on your paint when it drops.) Even the best waxes with the highest levels of carnauba are only going to last you maybe 6 weeks on a daily driver.

Sealants, on the other hand, will last far longer. There are a few different kinds to choose from. Acrylic sealants like Klasse Sealant Glaze are very very durable and provide a 'polished rock' kind of shine. Polymer sealants like Blackfire, Wolfgang, and others provide insane shine as well as some of the wet look and depth of a carnauba. Ceramic sealants will do similar things as acrylics but with even more durability. There are some out there that claim to be 'teflon' sealants, but they are not really any good. Teflon has to be applied at ridiculously high temperatures for it to bond, so putting it in a car wax is just a marketing gimmick.

The difference between a wax and a sealant in terms of durability is that wax is like dipping your finger in a candle and a sealant is like dipping your finger in super glue. The sealant will bond to the paint and create a second skin that instead of lasting four to six weeks may last you four to six months or even longer. In terms of protection and shine it really doesn't get better than a sealant.

Consumer products still call sealants waxes just because consumers don't know the difference. So there are products on the shelf at AutoZone which say 'wax' but are really sealants. Meguiar's NXT and Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid Wax are both good examples of sealants wearing a wax's bottle. In fact, Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid Wax is one of the more impressive looking products I've seen on a vehicle. Definitely worth looking into.
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So should you use sealants one or twice a year and just forget about waxes?
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My routine is to do a full wash, clay, and polish twice a year. Once in the spring and once in the fall. Perhaps once in the middle of the year depending on if anything happens which needs to be repaired, but typically just twice a year. On those occasions I will use a sealant. You can reapply it again if you want to increase the gloss or shine, and really that is recommended. If you did the full routine in March and October, then I would recommend another coat sometime in July just to be sure it stays protected all summer. There are a number of spray sealants and spray waxes you can use in the meantime to maintain the shine as well if that works for you. You just have to remember that you can't layer a sealant over a wax. The oils in a wax will keep you from getting the bond you need to the paint.

Sealants are just impressive animals. The way the light refracts through the molecules is unlike anything else. I could show you some really impressive photos which demonstrate the difference between some of the different sealants out there, but I don't think this is necessarily the forum for that. My blog has a lot of that if you are interested in looking there. ocdetails.com will direct you there. The bottom line is that you will get protection and appearance with sealants that you can't get with waxes. There is still reason to top a sealant with a wax on some colors and shapes, but the Camaro isn't one of them. I don't believe layering waxes and sealants are necessary on that particular car.
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