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Old 04-25-2012, 12:46 AM   #1
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modded SS or lightly modded 1LE or ZL1

What should be the best choice of those 3?? The ZL1 might be too expensive, but given the fact that I would not do any mod, except maybe CAI, it can be cheaper than modding the 2 other choice. But I like the N/A cars; cheap to mod and good power from a big ass cam.

I'm leaning a bit towards the 1LE for beeing modded already from factory(gear/beefier drivetrain/exhaust).

Or going cheaper with the SS and have more money on hand for everything else..mods and ..girls
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:13 AM   #2
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Hmm, tuff choice. Why not all three. Lol.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:43 AM   #3
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Hmm, tuff choice. Why not all three. Lol.
You got me!! hahaha...I was waiting for somebody to say: ZL1/THREAD
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:02 AM   #5
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if you going to track the car, start with the 1LE.if your just going to street the car, get the ss.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:22 AM   #6
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Depends on how deep your pockets are, i would lean towards the 1LE it sounds like its going to be a nice package
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:30 AM   #7
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First of all, how modded are you talking on the SS?

Second, you realize a 1LE is only going to be a tad quicker than an SS and no faster. Its the same engine as the SS (LS3). The gears help.

Depending on the cost of the 1LE, it could be a good look as long as GM doesnt cut their own throat by making it too expensive. The only thing the 1LE has that you cant easily upgrade on the SS is the transmission.

Now talking ZL1.... you have to want a ZL1 to buy one. You can make an SS WAY faster for WAY less money. Look at it this way, you can throw $20,000 at an SS and still be under the cost of a ZL1. With 20K in mods, the SS would run circles around the ZL1. Don't buy the MRS smoke and mirrors arguement. Its just more crap to make people think they can drive. With a seasoned, experienced driver, you dont need any of that computer aided crap.

If 580hp is what you want and you want to LEAVE IT STOCK and let someone else pay to fix it if you break it, get the Z. Other wise SS (or 1LE depending on cost) is the best option.

ZL1 = $55,000 plus taxes and crap so you're $58,000 NO OPTIONS
LS3 $35,000 +/- depending on options

plus:

Full bolt on and tune (intake, ported TB, headers, cats, exhaust) + $2000
Cam package + $2000
Gears (3.91 or 4.11) +$2500
Axels and driveshaft +$2000
Full suspension set up (bushings, springs, sways, trailing arms...etc.) +$1500 or so

That brings us to about $10,000 in mods....

With those mods the car will be nearly the same RWHP ~480 as the STOCK ZL1 and you're at least $13,000 ahead. Add heads for another $3000 and you are there ~500rwhp.

You are still at minimum $10,000 under a STOCK ZL1... I guess that gets you the other ginger bread and bigger wheels/tires. Doesnt seem worth it to me.

From there, its a crap shoot... you can mod the ZL1 or supercharge the SS for insane power and insane money invested!
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Like IROCanSS demonstrated, you can build a faster car out of an SS for the money. The flip side of the coin is that the ZL1 is fully warrantied.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:11 AM   #9
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what Irocanss said is great. also the numbers are pretty spot on! i love the Zl1 it is a great car but in by no means is it the end all be all of the camaro world.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:32 AM   #10
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I to was dead set on a Z, but since my dealer decided someone else needed the allocation more than me, the 1LE (slightly modded ) is looking like a good option.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:46 AM   #11
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I too am facing this dilemma, but I realized I wanted more than power and performance. I also want a car that is unique and MINE so I went from wanting a ZL1 to wanting either a 1SS/RS or 1SS/1LE/RS. I also realized I like modding and working on cars as my hobby so a ZL1 could not meet any of those demands. I am going to wait on others to see what they say about the 1LE package once it gets into people's hands. If most say it's nothing to write home about and better just getting a SS then I'll be looking for a used 2011 1SS/RS because I don't like the new interior introduced in 2012. The only thing from the 2012's I'd want is the newer suspension and the touchscreen/mylink stuff. The rest of the stuff on the cars I don't care for or won't notice.
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I would go for the ZL1.. supercharged with a warranty.. plus it will retain more value.. a SS will always be a SS even with a thousand horses
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I to was dead set on a Z, but since my dealer decided someone else needed the allocation more than me, the 1LE (slightly modded ) is looking like a good option.
I like the 1LE if only because it comes with a 3.91 gear stock. If I swapped out the diff in an SS, I'd be terrified to actually get on the throttle since so many SS guys have broken aftermarket gears. One broken gear and you've wiped out a lot of cost savings.
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depending on what you want. The Zl1 is going to cost you about double when said and done. How much do you drive it, what are your financed and whats your goals.

Take this into account 60 grand at 5 years at 2.5% is 1000 bucks a month, half down and borrowing 30k is still 532 bucks a month for five years.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:30 PM   #15
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I'm hoping to mod my SS to hang with a ZL1. Right now, nowhere near. Starting from scratch, I'd take the Z, but since I already have my SS...it's coming along nicely and with a few more dollars saved this summer I'll be there.

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Old 04-25-2012, 12:42 PM   #16
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First of all, how modded are you talking on the SS?

Second, you realize a 1LE is only going to be a tad quicker than an SS and no faster. Its the same engine as the SS (LS3). The gears help.

Depending on the cost of the 1LE, it could be a good look as long as GM doesnt cut their own throat by making it too expensive. The only thing the 1LE has that you cant easily upgrade on the SS is the transmission.

If 580hp is what you want and you want to LEAVE IT STOCK and let someone else pay to fix it if you break it, get the Z. Other wise SS (or 1LE depending on cost) is the best option.

ZL1 = $55,000 plus taxes and crap so you're $58,000 NO OPTIONS
LS3 $35,000 +/- depending on options

plus:

Full bolt on and tune (intake, ported TB, headers, cats, exhaust) + $2000
Cam package + $2000
Gears (3.91 or 4.11) +$2500
Axels and driveshaft +$2000
Full suspension set up (bushings, springs, sways, trailing arms...etc.) +$1500 or so

That brings us to about $10,000 in mods....

With those mods the car will be nearly the same RWHP ~480 as the STOCK ZL1 and you're at least $13,000 ahead. Add heads for another $3000 and you are there ~500rwhp.

You are still at minimum $10,000 under a STOCK ZL1... I guess that gets you the other ginger bread and bigger wheels/tires. Doesnt seem worth it to me.

From there, its a crap shoot... you can mod the ZL1 or supercharge the SS for insane power and insane money invested!
The 1LE has better axles and pump gas too, which is great(from a fbody owner who had to cut thru the car to install an expensive Racetronix kit) plus the beefier valvetrain is a good value. For the other options, youre right, they can be installed easily at a low cost on a regular SS. I dig the look and the wheels too. I know it wont be faster(maybe a tad with the gear as its been said), but the exclusive look is awesome. I love the idea of the high performance mufflers from GM so I can toss full headers and x pipe without getting hassle by police hehe

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Like IROCanSS demonstrated, you can build a faster car out of an SS for the money. The flip side of the coin is that the ZL1 is fully warrantied.
This a MAJOR argument here. And this is what I'm thinking about the most;
Right now, my car is getting rebuilt with an LS2 SB/LS3 ported heads/cam/full exhaust, so it will be faster than ZL1 without my 100 pills of nitrous. Yep the motor took a crap and this is the 2nd time it happens to me. It took me over 35K+$ of mods(I lost count of it but I know we pay everything double price in Canada) to make my car as fast it is over 6years(clutch, multiples rear end breaks, intake FAST, suspension, wheels, electrical mods, nitrous, maintenance, etc-etc..). So with the price of the car, it would put me very close to a brand new ZL1.

So I'm thinking of retiring from the modding world but I will always have a need for speed. Its maybe because my current project car is kinda over right now.

I think the ZL1 has a tremendous value for what it is..STOCK with a warranty!

But would I be close to the ZL1 with an N/A LS3 with full boltons? I'd say the SS could be very close. I dont plan to keep a 5th Gen forever though; I'm more interested in the new platform coming for 2015...lighter platform FTW!

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I would go for the ZL1.. supercharged with a warranty.. plus it will retain more value.. a SS will always be a SS even with a thousand horses
Thats a good point, I'm sure this ZL1 will hold a really really good value over time, even if the GT500 gets 1 billion hp Same can be said about 1LE; everyone will try to buy used 1LE optionned SS over the years..

Anyway, as for now, my local dealers cant even tell what the 2013 models are..cause 13' are not available from GM. It will be in end of May or June..
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depending on what you want. The Zl1 is going to cost you about double when said and done. How much do you drive it, what are your financed and whats your goals.

Take this into account 60 grand at 5 years at 2.5% is 1000 bucks a month, half down and borrowing 30k is still 532 bucks a month for five years.
Lucky you, here GM is offering 5.29% financing..You see, everything cost twice as much as you over here WHY??..anyway

Yeah, but right now, my fbody is worth shit, with 35K$ in mods. So which scenario is worst? Both? Honestly, I'd rather be driving the ZL1..I guess. But my fbody has that rough clutch and driving feeling of an old racecar
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Lucky you, here GM is offering 5.29% financing..You see, everything cost twice as much as you over here WHY??..anyway

Yeah, but right now, my fbody is worth shit, with 35K$ in mods. So which scenario is worst? Both? Honestly, I'd rather be driving the ZL1..I guess. But my fbody has that rough clutch and driving feeling of an old racecar
Thats not GM financing which you be stupid to take as its probably not the best out there. Here you can get 1.99 to about 3 if you have good credit.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:19 PM   #19
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^here you get 8%^ if you have the best credit in the world.

The ONLY way to get better than that is by financing your car with your House's mortgage. No kidding.
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^here you get 8%^ if you have the best credit in the world.

The ONLY way to get better than that is by financing your car with your House's mortgage. No kidding.

I hate government intervention but I have always argued the interest rate on cars needs to go higher and on just about everything else so people stop buying uneeded things and invest and or pay off debt. I know buying things helps the economy but the debt is why we are as individuals and as nation now.
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