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Old 04-25-2012, 11:57 AM   #1
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parking garage dust

Hey guys so i just moved into an apt in downtown denver with an underground parking garage about 2 months ago. After getting back from a week vacay the car is absolutely filthy with a thick layer of nasty dust. Its synergy green so it really shows. Other than a car cover whats the best route to keeping my baby protected from scratching and dulling of the paint.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:06 PM   #2
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Yes, it will be your best bet if you continue to park there or find another area that is open ( not underground ). The dust is not good for your car and not good for anybody to breath.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:24 PM   #3
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As far as a car cover, that would cause more harm than good if you are constantly putting it on and taking it off. I wouldn't think about putting a cover on my car unless it was garaged 24/7 when not being driven. Your best bet would to be to try and find a cheap garaging unit close to your apartment. OR you can buy a California Duster. Junkman has a video showing the proper way to use it. OR Adam's selling a product called Waterless Wash that works wonders and is safe for something like you are talking about. Other than those options all I can say is to give it a bath a few times a week.
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Like I said, cover the car or move it to another location, because of the cement and dirt from the garage will screw with your paint. I would rather take care of a few minor swirls or light scratches then seeing my paint in do time get ruin.
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:33 PM   #5
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You guys don't realize how much damage to you paint a car cover can do....@Angelo, you will be taking care of scratches/swirls constantly if you were to put on/remove a car cover every day.OP I recommend not going with a car cover. It is your choice, but I'm sure others will chime in. A California Duster, Adam's Waterless Wash or even some other product from another company will do better than a car cover.
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I do know, but in the situation the OP is in I recommend it with a great cover from CoverCraft. If he was just parking outside then no to a cover.
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Old 04-27-2012, 07:33 PM   #8
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Old 04-28-2012, 09:49 AM   #9
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Just keep a good wax on it and get yourself a California Duster
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:47 PM   #10
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I personally would not recommend a califorina duster for your situation. They are effective at removing dust and leaving the paint clean but you greatly increase your risk of creating swirl marks. Cali Dusters are yarn that has been treated with parrifin wax, so you are dry wiping the dust against the paint.

A good option would be to team up a waterless wash product with some plush microfiber towels.

Waterless Washes are similar to a quick detailer but their job is provide an increased level of lubricity to safely remove moderate dirt, grit, and grime. Light dust will provide no problem.

Of the Waterless Wash products on the market, BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Waterless Wash stands as a product that is really designed for the enthusiast, the guy who cares about maintaining a swirl free, high-gloss finish.

The secret of Wet Diamond Waterless Wash is that it uses the same polymers in as BLACKFIRE paint sealants. Everytime you mist Wet Diamond Waterless Wash onto the paint, thousands of Wet Diamond Polymers go to work. Some adhere to the grit and grime, others adhere to the paint, creating the barrier needed to avoid micro-scratching. As you lightly buff the finish with Wet Diamond Waterless Wash, the polymers on the paint begin to cure, adding a small layer of shine and protection to the paint.

Here is an excerpt from an article I wrote:

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CREATE WHIPLASH that has been years in the making!



BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Waterless Wash is high lubricity waterless wash uses BLACKFIRE's proprietary Wet Diamond polymers to encapsulate dirt and dust so they wipe away with out scratching. The Wet Diamond polymers also bond to the paint to reinforce existing protection and create a whiplash inducing shine.

I should note that a lot of testing and development went into this product. A LOT! This uses the same BLACKFIRE propretiary polymers as Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection. Not only does the amazingly high slip (lubricity and resulting slickness) create BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond's famous "unique" shine but it also does an amazing job of creating a barrier on the paint's surface to prevent the dirt from scouring.

Waterless Wash products are limited. If you use them on a heavily soiled car you will likely overide the abillity of the product to remove dirt safely. BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Waterless Spray is no exception, it does have it's limit. However, in my testing, its limit has been pushed higher and it handles moderate soiling (when used with a plush towel and proper technique) with no scratching. As a benefit you get to enjoy the same shine, slickness, and water beading characteristics as Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection!

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Start with a light to moderately soiled vehicle. Heavy dirt, grime, or grit should be flushed away using more traditional wash methods.




Mist BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Waterless Wash onto the surface to be cleaned. The amount you use and the section you use it on will depend on on the amount of soiling present. The AMG was pretty soiled so I worked a smaller section ( 2' x 2') and sprayed about 4 squeezed worth of product on the paint.




On heavily soiled paint allow to dwell 10 seconds (about long enough to set the bottle down and make sure your towel is folded properly). The Wet Diamond polymers are hyper reactive (the same reason you can wipe Wet Diamond Sealant off the paint immediately) so they immediately go to work encapsulating the grime and bonding. The same process is occurring on the paint as well.




Now lightly agitate (no pressure!) the surface with a plush microfiber towel such as the Cobra Supreme 530.


You will notice that has you wipe the Wet Diamond Waterless Wash some of the dirt will seem to disappear. This is because it is being lifted into the microfiber (and in some ways bonding to the fiber to prevent scratching). You may also notice the product 'flashing off' on the surface, it can almost resemble steaming. Again this is normal and engineered to happen to allow you to use enough product to remove dirt with out running into steaking. That is the Wet Diamond polymers at work.




Now flip the towel over to a clean side and lightly buff the remaining residue to streak-free shine to create WHIPLASH!




Depending on the size of the vehicle and the amount of soiling it may take 2-4 towels. The end result will be nothing short of spectacular.




Our CEO was so impressed he had me do the rest of the AMG!

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Why I recommend a cover, because of the cement dust and other junk will attack a car's finish. These tiny particles can cause severe damage to your vehicle when it gets wet ( Rain ) when your driving home or from a storm if your parking near a opening. I would try to protect the car first and then take of any minor swirls you might get from a quality car cover to protect your finish.
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Old 04-29-2012, 02:45 AM   #12
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I personally would not recommend a califorina duster for your situation. They are effective at removing dust and leaving the paint clean but you greatly increase your risk of creating swirl marks.
I totally disagree. When used properly and at the correct time, a CA duster is ideal for remove loose dust. The problem with the duster is that people use them incorrectly. That's why I made these videos to address the proper use of the duster, couple with a waterless wash product. I do this and have the perfect paint to show for it.










I only recommend that you use a cover immediately after you wash the car. If the car has been driven or has set around without a cover for a day, it is now dirty and you never cover a dirty car.
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:26 AM   #13
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I totally disagree. When used properly and at the correct time, a CA duster is ideal for remove loose dust. The problem with the duster is that people use them incorrectly. That's why I made these videos to address the proper use of the duster, couple with a waterless wash product. I do this and have the perfect paint to show for it.

I only recommend that you use a cover immediately after you wash the car. If the car has been driven or has set around without a cover for a day, it is now dirty and you never cover a dirty car.
That is the beauty of detailing, we can all use what we think works best for our paint. After all its supposed be enjoyable.

From a logical standpoint, its easy to make a comparison.

A Cali Duster is yarn covered in wax what must be dry wiped across the paint.

A waterless wash product uses microfiber (soften than yarn) and a product engineered to provide lubricity to avoid dry wiping.

I'm sure a California Duster could be used on harder paint finishes (maybe a Corvette or Camaro) and if used carefully no inflict any damage (provided the paint wasn't too dirty to begin with).

Waterless Wash products (particulary modern ones that benefit from the latest in surfacant and polymer technologies) can be used to wash moderately dirty paint.

Again, no right or wrong answers here, just facts and opinions.
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I just knew "The Junkman" would get in on this one!
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... That is the beauty of detailing, we can all use what we think works best for our paint. After all its supposed be enjoyable.
Now THAT I'm in agreement with 100%. I wouldn't bother doing it for any other reason.

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After over two years here, you all know how passionate I am about some jacked up paint on a nice car.
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Old 04-30-2012, 05:10 PM   #16
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I had my 2010 Camaro covered with my CarKing cover all winter. This was after I corrected the paint. I followed AJ's videos on correction as well as Waterless Wash with the Calf Duster and finally how to remove the cover and didn't have as much as smudge in the paint. I think I've put about 2000 miles on it since uncovering it and with regular washes and proper care and check the paint regularly. Still no scratches. I would recommmend the Junkmans process from first hand experince, but I've also just received my sample of the blackfire WW to compare it against Adams. I'll let you know the results
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I don't think you can go wrong with either product when you understand the purpose of the product. Some people actually attempt to wash their car with that stuff as if it was ONR. That's how WW products get such a bad rap and cause so much damage.
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Junkman, I would have used the WW products myself to clean my car before I watched your videos and tips. I now know to remove the dust or as much of it as you can before using these products. I also know that when the car gets a film on it, it's time to wash and not dust and wipe. Getting ready to order a PC, so I'm hoping this only makes the car look even better. Thanks for all of the help here in the forum.
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You my friend have picked up on some key points of when and when not to use a WW product. Kudos to you. When you get your PC and have watched my PC videos enough times, go at it. I'm here if you have any questions.
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I would only add that any product, when used incorrectly, presents a risk to maintaining a swirl free, high-gloss paint finish.

Just like the proper use of a duster is being champoined, the proper use of a waterless wash should also be used. In the pictures above, there was a more than a light film of dust on the car, and by using the right technique with the right towel and product, the dust was removed with out dulling the surface of the paint (at all).

Long before I got into product development and education I was an obessed high-end detailer. I have had the pleasure on working on, polishing, perfecting (and keeping perfect) cars that have won awards at some of the most prestigous car shows in the world. I have detailed exclusively for Bugatti, worked with car manufacturers, been featured in magazines, and many of the techniques I have used are now industry standard. One thing I have learned, is that any product, when used incorrectly (regardless of name or brand) can damage the paint that we all take so much pride in.

Every tool and product does have limitations. A properly designed waterless wash is going to provide far more lubricity to the paint then dry mopping dust off the paint. This isn't to say that both products cannot achieve a desired result, but the risk is far greater when you are using a yarn made mop to dry wipe abrasive material from the paint.

Ultimately we are all going to do what we feels yields the best results and proper technique will always trump product selection. Either method, used incorrectly, is going to leave the owner frustrated. However, using a plush microfiber towel and a quality waterless wash is going to offer, at the very least, a larger margin of safety against abrasion. When used correctly it will offer additional benefits as well.

Luckily my job provides me with great opportunties to test products as thoroughly as I can and this is some area, particularly as developer of car care products, where I have been able to test repeately.

Keep in mind that there is no such thing as perfect paint, zoom in far enough and you are going to find scratches on the paint's surface that refract light (even if you cannot see visible swirl marks). Literally anything that touches the paint is going to impart some level of scratching on the surface (even if it is so microscopic you cannot see it).

So when testing effective methods of dust removal we test extremely (extremely) soft and scratch sensitive paint systems. If we can safely remove dust and dirt build up from these surfaces with out creating visible damage then we know we are not dulling the surface of regular, OEM applied, factory paints.

BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Waterless Wash will remove moderate amounts of soiling with out causing any visible damage on extremely soft paint finishes. We also found that some materials, such as wax impregnated yarn, can cause some surface dulling (again on extremely soft paints) even when the surface is moderately clean. It is a simple matter of abrasion caused by friction. Just because you cannot see the damage on a harder paint system doesn't mean that it is not occurring and that it will not add up over time.

Ultimately, Califorina Dusters are excellent tools, we sells 1000s of them. You cannot beat there use of use, but by using proper chemicals and technique I feel you can definately improve upon the safety margin.

As long as we are happy with the shine of our ride and the convenience of use, there is never a wrong or right answer, just what works best for us!
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I think one thing we can all agree on separate from the resumes is the passion!

The real question is how do we get the wives to understand it!
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I think one thing we can all agree on separate from the resumes is the passion!

The real question is how do we get the wives to understand it!
When you find out, let us know please.
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You guys don't realize how much damage to you paint a car cover can do....@Angelo, you will be taking care of scratches/swirls constantly if you were to put on/remove a car cover every day.OP I recommend not going with a car cover. It is your choice, but I'm sure others will chime in. A California Duster, Adam's Waterless Wash or even some other product from another company will do better than a car cover.
THIS. Just putting a car cover on my car a few times scratched the paint.

Get the california duster, OP.
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If you use a quality car cover at the correct time and in the correct manner, it won't do any damage. The only time I ever cover my car is right after I have washed it. If it has been driven down the driveway right after I have washed it, I now consider the car dirty. I never cover a dirty car.
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