Camaro vs Mustang Difference...

[INTIMIDAT3R]

The main difference between our Camaros and the Mustangs... we don't need to send ours to Shelby to make them fast. :-)

[1CamaroSS]

Now thats funny!
The only thing I don't like about GM right now is they are using our tax dollars(Bail out money) to move production of the Volt and some Cadillacs' to China and other countries...What a disappointment!

[rayray11]

Actually the Shelbys are built on the same assembly line as all the other Mustangs in Flatrock Michigan. So if you are going to compare 2013 Shelby Mustang will have OVER 600 Horse Power. Stock. Camaro ZL1, 550 Horse Power. Mustangs a little lighter also. Who would win? MUSTANG! If you have to tear someone else down to build yourself up you know your already inferior.

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by rayray11

Actually the Shelbys are built on the same assembly line as all the other Mustangs in Flatrock Michigan. So if you are going to compare 2013 Shelby Mustang will have OVER 600 Horse Power. Stock. Camaro ZL1, 550 Horse Power. Mustangs a little lighter also. Who would win? MUSTANG! If you have to tear someone else down to build yourself up you know your already inferior.

Yeah Shelby is just the name now. Everything is made on the assembly line... so yeah OP, I think you might want to reconsider lol.

However many hp the gt500 has though, it still has huge issues putting it down, which is not the case with the ZL1.

However, when the Gt500 comes out with independent suspension and being able to put some of the 650 hp down... let's just say that the ZL1 will have some catching up to do.

[kannon]

OP felt like stirring up some crap today I guess? FYI a stock 5.0 will beat a stock SS in the 1/4 so....

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by 1CamaroSS

Now thats funny!
The only thing I don't like about GM right now is they are using our tax dollars(Bail out money) to move production of the Volt and some Cadillacs' to China and other countries...What a disappointment!

Wrong

GM is putting production capacity in China for domestic production, i.e. for China, they are not moving production of these cars destined for North American production to China.

Proof?

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...-china-110244/

[Powhusku]

Originally Posted by rayray11

Actually the Shelbys are built on the same assembly line as all the other Mustangs in Flatrock Michigan. So if you are going to compare 2013 Shelby Mustang will have OVER 600 Horse Power. Stock. Camaro ZL1, 550 Horse Power. Mustangs a little lighter also. Who would win? MUSTANG! If you have to tear someone else down to build yourself up you know your already inferior.

I want to hear about the '13 GT500's suspension. They're really gonna have to pull something amazing out of their "posterior-region" in order to compete with the ZL1 at the track. I love the competition that's being rebuilt between the two cars, all it does is force progress if they want to keep competing with each other, and thus almost guarantees a better car from both sides!

[Fiftydriver]

Originally Posted by rayray11

Actually the Shelbys are built on the same assembly line as all the other Mustangs in Flatrock Michigan. So if you are going to compare 2013 Shelby Mustang will have OVER 600 Horse Power. Stock. Camaro ZL1, 550 Horse Power. Mustangs a little lighter also. Who would win? MUSTANG! If you have to tear someone else down to build yourself up you know your already inferior.

The factory rated ZL1 is 580 HP, not 550. And, from early dyno testing, it looks like these numbers are still pretty conservative and that in reality its more like 600 crank HP.

I would agree with your comment but you missed some facts as well so we all need to settle down a bit.

[Fiftydriver]

Originally Posted by unkillsam

Wrong

GM is putting production capacity in China for domestic production, i.e. for China, they are not moving production of these cars destined for North American production to China.

Proof?

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...-china-110244/

+1

Web makes everyone an expert

[Fiftydriver]

Main difference between the two, our camaros just look better!!!

Stangs do not have that visual shock appeal in my opinion.

[rayray11]

Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

Yeah Shelby is just the name now. Everything is made on the assembly line... so yeah OP, I think you might want to reconsider lol.

However many hp the gt500 has though, it still has huge issues putting it down, which is not the case with the ZL1.

However, when the Gt500 comes out with independent suspension and being able to put some of the 650 hp down... let's just say that the ZL1 will have some catching up to do.

Thats funny, you've seen this yourself on the 13 Shelby. Since they aren't actually out yet. I'm sure we haven't even had one in Florida yet. Nor do I believe we ran any by you to get your opinion on them.

[rayray11]

Originally Posted by Fiftydriver

Main difference between the two, our camaros just look better!!!

Stangs do not have that visual shock appeal in my opinion.

The Shelby is awesome looking! But the Camaro is the best looking car ever in my opinion. Which is why I bought one.

[woodj]

I have a 2011 SS Convertible and I have a 2011 GT 5.0 California Special Convertible. I don't care which is better. I don't want a Challenger however.

[unkillsam]

Originally Posted by Fiftydriver

+1

Web makes everyone an expert

Not necessarily the web, though that is part of it. A lot has to do with television pundits with an axe to grind. Hence why Bob Lutz has been on TV alot defending the Volt. I think that internally, GM believes that the reason the Volt missed it's US sales targets in the first year was due to a certain media outlet that kept on running negative stories 24 hours a day.

[oldlugs]

Funny how the world's quickest accelerating and cornering cars use a solid axle with no differential, yet the Mustang is so maligned because of theirs....
Anyone here ever race modern open class 124th slot cars? They run 2 second laps on a 155' track!

[greenrail]

The Current Mustang Platform (off of which the 2013 Shelby GT500 is built) does not have the provision for any kind of IRS as the previous generation. Regardless as to whether or not anyone has seen one yet.

From what I have seen in some online "scuttle-butt" the next generation Mustang may have this capability. Time and money will tell in he end.

Great seeing the competition though. Each car wll have some points in their respective favor. The end result, regardless if you are a camaro or Mustang Person, is that these are some pretty heady times for the enthusiast!

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Fiftydriver

+1

Web makes everyone an expert

Not me.. I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night..

[BowtieBelle]

IBTL

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by Fiftydriver

The factory rated ZL1 is 580 HP, not 550. And, from early dyno testing, it looks like these numbers are still pretty conservative and that in reality its more like 600 crank HP.

I would agree with your comment but you missed some facts as well so we all need to settle down a bit.

Just some new information to pass along, but the '13 Shelby is certified at 662/630 instead of the precious 650/600.

And to the OP, yea well, Chevy has to send their Camaro out to the ZL factory...........

Yea, I like the sound of that.

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by rayray11

Thats funny, you've seen this yourself on the 13 Shelby. Since they aren't actually out yet. I'm sure we haven't even had one in Florida yet. Nor do I believe we ran any by you to get your opinion on them.

Wait what?

Your post makes no sense. I'm talking about current Shelby's having issues putting hp to the ground.

Also, I agreed with you and you got all defensive on me lmao

[Stew]

Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

Yeah Shelby is just the name now. Everything is made on the assembly line... so yeah OP, I think you might want to reconsider lol.

However many hp the gt500 has though, it still has huge issues putting it down, which is not the case with the ZL1.

However, when the Gt500 comes out with independent suspension and being able to put some of the 650 hp down... let's just say that the ZL1 will have some catching up to do.

13 Shelby comes with launch control and improved tires (same size though I believe). Also, the live axle is actually better for drag racing than IRS.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by oldlugs

Funny how the world's quickest accelerating and cornering cars use a solid axle with no differential, yet the Mustang is so maligned because of theirs....
Anyone here ever race modern open class 124th slot cars? They run 2 second laps on a 155' track!

Slot cars? seriously?

Most all supercars use IRS. What do the best handling real cars use as in formula 1? While we are at it why not throw a solid axle in the front of AWD cars as well. Or if it is so good...how about on rwd cars as well and just not have power going to the front axle. Should make it handle better right?

Just use your logic. How could two tires connected by one axle possibly be as versatile/effective as two controlled independently? I cant possibly see how this could be an advantage in handling when both are optimized.

[_Nick_]

Originally Posted by oldlugs

Funny how the world's quickest accelerating and cornering cars use a solid axle with no differential, yet the Mustang is so maligned because of theirs....

Most complain it's ancient technology, despite IRS being around since the 50's.

[Silver_Shelby]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Just some new information to pass along, but the '13 Shelby is certified at 662/630 instead of the precious 650/600.

And to the OP, yea well, Chevy has to send their Camaro out to the ZL factory...........

Yea, I like the sound of that.

You have a link for those new Shelby #'s ??
Is the ZL1 really considered an import where it's made in Canada??
That's grasping at straws...
Long Live Detroit the only Motor City

[72MachOne99GT]

I'll go hunting and repost the link when I get home.

I suppose inshould place a disclaimer saying that's via a person who spoke with Mr. Hameedi, SVTs masterchief if you will.

Oh look, found it w/o going home!

http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/ind...edi-jim-owens/