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Old 04-27-2012, 08:48 PM   #76
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I believe in 2 things.

1. Chevy has the better engineers
2. Chevy has the worst management/decision makers

When you look at Chevy and what their engineers can do, it's amazing. But those engineers have to get permission from the executives/decision makers to implement their creations. You get the sense at Ford, the engineers are giving marching orders like: Win at any cost. We'll take a financial hit on 5,000 Shelby's if it means people perceive Ford as leading.

At Chevy, the marching orders are more like: All right guys, we know you are brilliant, but let's not start from scratch. Let's keep costs down by using the existing parts bin and not make suggestions like Recaro Seats, please, just don't! And let's also make sure we don't piss off the Vette owners, so design a car up to a certain point, but not better than that point.



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Why does everyone here act like Ford didn't touch the suspension, gearing, drive shaft, launch control on the 2013? Guys, it's time to stop using the "will the car hook up" excuse. None of these cars hook up easily. And let's be honest...racing from a stand still is the worst abuse you can put any car through. If a ZL1 and GT500 race from a roll, the Ford is going run away from the ZL1. And have you guys even seen the 2013 Shelby? It's effin slammed to the ground. They gave this car the best possible suspension they could. Maybe not as good as Magnetic Ride, but the car is not going to be a bad handling car.

Truth is, everyone here would rather have a 662bhp Camaro with a factory warranty, even if that meant sacrificing some traction. If Chevy doesn't answer back, I don't see the point in the ZL1 at all. They entered a war and the enemy just built a bigger gun. They need to answer back or the ZL1 will always be remembered for being second best. I thought GM/Chevy/Al talked all this hype about leading and beating Ford. Haven't heard from Old Al lately. Wonder why....



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These are probably the best un-biased logical posts, I have seen on this forum.
Agreed.

GM lost the war before the first battle even started.
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:50 PM   #77
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Although the GT500 may have more HP than the ZL1 and Vette, Chevy ZR1 still has better 1/4 mile time than GT500! Therefore more HP doesn't really mean better car!! I mean it's not going to take much to tune a ZL1 to have just as much HP and the GT500 with 662HP or whatever it has, may have all the adds that make it an 80K car!! Still more than the ZL1! It's a lighter car, and it's only 1/2 a second faster in the 1/4 mile?? Stick with Chevy! Probably still going to be better bang for your buck!!
Your post seriously makes no sense. You sound like the typical Emblem humper.
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:55 PM   #78
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Even Ford knows that won't happen. (the mustang beating ZL1's ring time)
Based off the current Youtube Drag Racing Videos. The 580HP, Gas Guzzzler ZL1 can't even keep up with the N/A Boss 302 Mustangs ?

2012 Camaro ZL1 1/4 Mile Times, on Youtube

14.03


13.24



At night time, cool weather, and Drag Radials!

11.92 on Nitto Drag Radials


12.02




Bone Stock 2012 Boss 302, Drag Radials, Naturally Aspirated

11.72

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Old 04-27-2012, 10:30 PM   #79
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I say bring it on Ford! But tonight we shall destroy the '12 gt500's and all the ford people will be sayin "wait till next year" , but it doesn't change the fact that we are better right now.
Wouldn't be too sure about that. A '12 GT 500 can easily run with a ZL1. Many stock '12 GT 500's run very low 12's and high 11's (with DR's). The '12's make more than their claimed 550HP. It's mostly going to be a driver's race.

Don't know if the 13 ZL1's will get a boost in power. Maybe they will take to mods as easily as the GT 500. If so, that would be a good thing for those seeking a power upgrade. One can easily get 40 - 50 more HP with just a tune and pulley change.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:45 PM   #80
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Based off the current Youtube Drag Racing Videos. The 580HP, Gas Guzzzler ZL1 can't even keep up with the N/A Boss 302 Mustangs ?
Your video facts are skewed.
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:57 AM   #81
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what's skewed about them?
You posted the 12.02 run with the title above it saying with DR's...

That wasn't the case. The person who made that run has said it was on stock tires.

If you have information proving otherwise, feel free to post it up...
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Old 04-28-2012, 08:26 AM   #82
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remember the 2v mustangs?

remember the 4.6 and 5.4 modulars in the trucks?
Remember I said "in the last ten years" in my post?
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12.02 was on stock rubber. He took it back the other day with some Nittos and ran 11.92 I think.
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Old 04-28-2012, 09:30 AM   #84
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I say bring it on Ford! But tonight we shall destroy the '12 gt500's and all the ford people will be sayin "wait till next year" , but it doesn't change the fact that we are better right now.
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Wouldn't be too sure about that. A '12 GT 500 can easily run with a ZL1. Many stock '12 GT 500's run very low 12's and high 11's (with DR's). The '12's make more than their claimed 550HP. It's mostly going to be a driver's race.

Don't know if the 13 ZL1's will get a boost in power. Maybe they will take to mods as easily as the GT 500. If so, that would be a good thing for those seeking a power upgrade. One can easily get 40 - 50 more HP with just a tune and pulley change.
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Old 04-28-2012, 10:09 AM   #85
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12.02 was on stock rubber. He took it back the other day with some Nittos and ran 11.92 I think.
I assumed they were all on Nitto Drag Radials, since he does not list if the car is running stock tires, in his first 2 vids.

However, the 11.92 Night run, he is running Nitto Drag Radials.
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Old 04-28-2012, 11:31 AM   #86
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ZL1 Slicks and skinnies 11.43

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Why does everyone here act like Ford didn't touch the suspension, gearing, drive shaft, launch control on the 2013? Guys, it's time to stop using the "will the car hook up" excuse. None of these cars hook up easily. And let's be honest...racing from a stand still is the worst abuse you can put any car through. If a ZL1 and GT500 race from a roll, the Ford is going run away from the ZL1. And have you guys even seen the 2013 Shelby? It's effin slammed to the ground. They gave this car the best possible suspension they could. Maybe not as good as Magnetic Ride, but the car is not going to be a bad handling car.

Truth is, everyone here would rather have a 662bhp Camaro with a factory warranty, even if that meant sacrificing some traction. If Chevy doesn't answer back, I don't see the point in the ZL1 at all. They entered a war and the enemy just built a bigger gun. They need to answer back or the ZL1 will always be remembered for being second best. I thought GM/Chevy/Al talked all this hype about leading and beating Ford. Haven't heard from Old Al lately. Wonder why....
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^This sums up my point to the letter! 60K is too much money to risk for being known as second best. Chevrolet is better than that.
2nd best...right...hahaha
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So many jealous posters, so little time...this thread is useless except for trollers trolling..haha see you on the streets..oh wait you can't afford either a 2013 Shelby or a ZL1.
lol maybe your 1984 mazda can beat my ZL1 too..haha..
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That's pretty dang good, but the fastest stock GT500 I know of with only slicks and skinnies was a 2011 that ran 11.11@125mph.

At the strip, the 2011-2012 GT500 and 2012-2013 ZL1 is going to be a drivers race.
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That's pretty dang good, but the fastest stock GT500 I know of with only slicks and skinnies ran 11.11@125mph.

At the strip, the 2011-2012 GT500 and 2012-2013 ZL1 is going to be a drivers race.
11.11, thats awesome! Personally I love both cars, I am just a little partial though.
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That's pretty dang good, but the fastest stock GT500 I know of with only slicks and skinnies was a 2011 that ran 11.11@125mph.

At the strip, the 2011-2012 GT500 and 2012-2013 ZL1 is going to be a drivers race.
You got a link or video to prove? I tried researching it and came up empty. Maybe you could help with some documentation.
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You got a link or video to prove? I tried researching it and came up empty. Maybe you could help with some documentation.
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Old 04-28-2012, 02:49 PM   #94
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Thanks!! These cars are all just bad you know what!! Nice vid though.
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So much for the upper 11's theory on the 2012's. Two more weeks folks, then we'll see the fun. Erik
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So much for the upper 11's theory on the 2012's. Two more weeks folks, then we'll see the fun. Erik
Whats in two more weeks?
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Whats in two more weeks?
I'm just guessing the Media Embargo will be over for the 2013 GT500
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Guess I will have to up the Horsepower on the 2013s.

Ted.
I'll be up there again soon. Just did a 11.8 @ 120 mph at Englishtown. Thanks for the tips. Also, sorry about your ZL1.

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Hate to say it, but that is always going to be the case. If GM worried from year to year that they may upset current owners of a particular model, then we would never get a better car. If GM adding horsepower or features (Like the navigation unit) is going to bother you, then the only thing I can tell you is that you need not be an early adopter. And you need to wait for the last year of production for the 5th gen. It is then, and only then that you will have the best Camaro GM ever offered. To think GM will never improve the ZL1 is very narrow minded thinking.

Sorry goes out to you 2012 guys, but the 2013 ZL1 is bound to be better.

Sorry goes out to you 2013 guys, but the 2014 ZL1 is bound to be better.

Sorry goes out to you 2014 guys, but the 2015 ZL1 is going to be perfect.
I didn't hear that said...... LOL, but nice way to use an elbow.
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