Introducing the JacFab CAI system! Dyno numbers, and videos inside. - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

RacnJsn95 · 04-28-2012, 06:07 PM

It's been a couple months coming, I've dropped a few mentionings here and there, but didn't really want to show it off until I had the cold hard proof from the dyno...

The car (mine) used for the baseline is essentially a stock car, major "performance" mods are:

Dynomax #39494 axle back, and JacFab X-pipe w/ resonator delete.

Nothing that probably effects anything in a positive or negative way... The car has the STOCK tune, and was not tuned to run with the JacFab intake.

The baseline was done at 10:30am, Friday 4/27, and the comparison with the JacFab intake done appx. 30 minutes later after we removed the the stock and swapped in the JacFab unit, ambient temp were 5 degrees hotter while running the JacFab intake.

Baseline : 370.25 hp / 363.83 ft lb tq
JacFab inake: 387.95 hp / 373.11 ft lb tq
That's a +17 hp peak gain, and a 9 ft lb peak torque gain, but there are large areas in the curve where both hp and tq show a 20+ gain over the stock... Here is the video...

Please pardon the dirty car, I had to drive for 4 hrs to get to the dyno, as the only one locally is about 4x the price, and it was cheaper to just drive.

Everyone says that cone filters are superior to flat panel filters because they have more surface area. But my theory was that a flat panel filter will allow a straighter air flow path, while also removing the turbulence in the air stream. Combining the flat panel filter with a large, magic if you will, velocity stack like affair built into the filter clamp allows for maximizing the usable surface area of the flat panel filter, and increasing air velocity at the same time.

We are very happy with the outcome of our first prototype, as it looks to have exceeded numbers of most of the competition without the ADM/APEX intake scoop according to both JRE tests... It should also be noted that the ADM/APEX scoop is not installed on the test car, the factory washer bottle is in place, and the fender wells have not been modified in ANY way to attempt to increase airflow... This was tested just as if it had shown up out of a box to a customer, no further modifications, or additional products!

These numbers are also backed up by track (drag strip) testing where the car picked up 2.5 tenths from last years best time with the only changes being the JacFab intake, and short throw shifter modification (write up in the DIY section on the shifter). However everyone at the track was running a tenth fast due to good air, so if you consider that, we still picked up 1.5 tenths which is right there with what the dyno numbers show.

We currently working on pricing, available color options, and looking at tweaks for the production version to further improve performance, and ease of install.

Thoughts?

*UPDATES*

8/13/12: Approved master of velocity stack/filter clamp for mold process Post #41
8/23/12: Received first plastic molded intake pieces for intake, and random flow info Post #50
9/10/12: First picture of "production prototype" intake Post #62
9/12/12: 2nd Picture of "production prototype" intake (new MAF location)Post #77
9/15/12: New dyno numbers for "production prototype intake +18hp/+16tq Post #102
9/16/12: Updated dyno video, and picture of intake out of car Post #107
9/16/12: Theories behind the intake (Why it works) Post #118
10/16/12: The intake will utilize a silicone intake tube, explanation here: Post #152

mtbikerinme83 · 04-28-2012, 07:14 PM

Looks like you have some knock retard occuring at about 4k RPM. Are you running 91 or 93 octane?

Back on subject, it looks good and nice numbers.

RacnJsn95 · 04-28-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mtbikerinme83

Looks like you have some knock retard occuring at about 4k RPM. Are you running 91 or 93 octane?

Back on subject, it looks good and nice numbers.

91 octane, very hard to find 93 here. Almost all the runs had that same dip in the same spot. I figured it had something to do with the timing from looking at the AFR numbers, because they don't change.

Nutro · 04-29-2012, 12:35 AM

Dude that looks sweet! Any price point or is it too early?

2010 SSRS · 04-29-2012, 11:39 AM

Awesome numbers and looks great

RacnJsn95 · 04-29-2012, 09:25 PM

According to forum rules I can not discuss pricing on a "non-comercial" section... Didn't think it would be a problem since I don't have an actual set in stone price yet, I am not taking orders, and was just trying to get feedback from the general public about the prototype test results... I have "been warned" for giving a ball park price... Pretty strict around here...

Also thought I would mention that the dic read 25.2 mpg on the way to the dyno with the stock box, which tied the high mileage previous record on the same trip (that I've done about 4-5 times now), and the dic read 26.3 mpg on the way back with the JacFab intake installed. Tried to drive exactly the same both ways, using cruise control everywhere except on large uphill sections always driving 5mph overthe limit, so about 85% of the drive time was at 70mph, and about 10% being about 65mph, with the remaining being less... So I'd say our intake is good for a solid, real world +1mpg gain at reasonable highway speeds...

14pilot · 04-30-2012, 08:20 PM

Good looks, great performance. I like it !!!

I'm waiting for someone to chime in asking about heatsoak with the metal tube...

Any plans for a ZL-1 version ?

RacnJsn95 · 05-01-2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 14pilot

Good looks, great performance. I like it !!!

I'm waiting for someone to chime in asking about heatsoak with the metal tube...

Any plans for a ZL-1 version ?

Once we get the get the SS version finalized, I'll probably be trying to round up a local v6 car, and then if I can find a local ZL1 to try and use we'll move onto that.

Pro Stock John · 05-01-2012, 10:03 AM

Looks good. Yeah flat panel filters work great too as long as they have enough surface area.

Keep me posted.

EliteCZM523 · 05-01-2012, 12:49 PM

That dip has to do with timing....if u look at the stock timing tables there is a small dip right around 4,100 RPM's. I had the same thing on my car when i went to the dyno, created a small "dip" in the timing table and it worked like a charm!

RacnJsn95 · 05-03-2012, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EliteCZM523

That dip has to do with timing....if u look at the stock timing tables there is a small dip right around 4,100 RPM's. I had the same thing on my car when i went to the dyno, created a small "dip" in the timing table and it worked like a charm!

That's what I figured as I don't see any change with the afr there. I personally don't think I will tune my car until the warranty is expired though.

Currently starting work on the second prototype which, will most likely translate over to the production version... Going to be doing a lot of data logging, and play with the MAF position to try and get the AFR closer to the stock range to keep it nice and safe for the public.

Camarowguy · 05-17-2012, 10:22 AM

Nice looking intake

axis · 05-17-2012, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EliteCZM523

That dip has to do with timing....if u look at the stock timing tables there is a small dip right around 4,100 RPM's. I had the same thing on my car when i went to the dyno, created a small "dip" in the timing table and it worked like a charm!

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacnJsn95

That's what I figured as I don't see any change with the afr there. I personally don't think I will tune my car until the warranty is expired though.

Currently starting work on the second prototype which, will most likely translate over to the production version... Going to be doing a lot of data logging, and play with the MAF position to try and get the AFR closer to the stock range to keep it nice and safe for the public.

Look at just about any dyno graph of a untuned 10+ Camaro and you'll see that dip. I seem to remember Jannetty saying it was the point in which Tq management turns completely off.

RacnJsn95 · 05-17-2012, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camarowguy

Nice looking intake

Thanks! We're pretty happy with the appearance, and the performance so far. I'm currently working on the 2nd prototype to make install easier for the end user, and currently talking with a plastics company up north of here to have the "velocity stack" piece made in one piece from ABS plastic... The final product should be a very nice piece

axis · 05-17-2012, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacnJsn95

Thanks! We're pretty happy with the appearance, and the performance so far. I'm currently working on the 2nd prototype to make install easier for the end user, and currently talking with a plastics company up north of here to have the "velocity stack" piece made in one piece from ABS plastic... The final product should be a very nice piece

The velocity stack is a great idea. It's not just a coincidence that the top two intakes were the only ones to utilize a velocity stack. Also, the bigger you can make your airbox, the better. Seeing that adding a scoop gains a good bit tells me that this engine loves a LOT of easily available air.

Ivan @ Southwest Speed · 05-17-2012, 11:48 AM

Nice to see another take on the CAI's for these.....def a different look. I like the fact that it can be colored to match.

Good job and waiting to see more!
Ivan @ Southwest Speed

RacnJsn95 · 05-26-2012, 07:47 PM

We've pulled the trigger with the plastic forming company up north of us to have the velocity stack affair made of one piece ABS plastic. Our expected wait is 4-6 weeks for the tooling to be completed, and to receive the first 2 "prototype" pieces for approval.

Once we receive the first to pieces, we will construct 2 more "final prototypes" and head back up to the dyno, and should hopefully be able to start producing these for sale shortly after that.

The final piece is looking like it will be a very nice product, and should be well worth the wait

mexiken · 05-26-2012, 08:01 PM

Thanks for the update. Definitely watching this one.

Mongoose03 · 05-27-2012, 04:27 AM

Sterling · 05-27-2012, 04:51 AM

Nice looking intake... and good numbers too.

DFWZ28 · 06-04-2012, 02:35 PM

that is pretty sweet looking!!

justa25thTA · 06-04-2012, 03:17 PM

looks cool and seems to perform, but the name...

RacnJsn95 · 06-04-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by justa25thTA

looks cool and seems to perform, but the name...

We are currently trying to think of a "cool name" for the intake product line... It may end up becoming a contest with the winner receiving a *free* intake in the near future... Unfortunately the company name, is the company name...

PAUL SS · 06-04-2012, 04:10 PM

Nice looking unit, good luck with it.

vam5555 · 06-04-2012, 04:45 PM

That looks pretty good. I've got a CAI intake right now, and had to fine tune it some to have it not sit on/touch the radiator hose. Any issues like that with yours?

Other than that, looks awesome, really interested to see prices / fitment once it's all finalized. Great work.

04-28-2012, 07:14 PM	#2
mtbikerinme83 Drives: IMB 2SS/LS3-M6 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Standish, Maine Posts: 124	Looks like you have some knock retard occuring at about 4k RPM. Are you running 91 or 93 octane? Back on subject, it looks good and nice numbers. __________________ IBM 2SS LS3-M6 VMax TB and Solo HF Catted Mid pipes

05-01-2012, 10:03 AM	#9
Pro Stock John Drives: 2010 SS / 1951 Mercury Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,229	Looks good. Yeah flat panel filters work great too as long as they have enough surface area. Keep me posted. __________________ 2010 Camaro SS \| LT's Cats UD CAI Tune DR \|12.37@112 1951 Mercury \| Chopped \| SBC 1998 Formula \| 348 TH400 88mm \| 9.40@145 sold 2000 Camaro \| 348 TH400 150 NOS \| 10.0@134 sold ~All installs and tuning by Speed Inc.

05-17-2012, 10:22 AM	#12
Camarowguy Drives: 2011 imperial blue SS, black 92 RS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Denham Springs Posts: 2,597	Nice looking intake __________________ 2011 imperial blue SS/RS a6 12.43@112 vararam, tune, jba cats, magnaflow axle back, self ported tb, under drive pulley, NO headers, Stock tires. 1.87 60ft. Stock tires. 2000 1500 silverado extra cab

05-17-2012, 11:48 AM	#16
Ivan @ Southwest Speed Southwestspeed.net Drives: '10 2SS/RS, '96 Z28 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Rio Rancho, NM Posts: 10,376	Nice to see another take on the CAI's for these.....def a different look. I like the fact that it can be colored to match. Good job and waiting to see more! Ivan @ Southwest Speed __________________ The Sizzle Build / Follow us on Facebook!! / Aut ism Speaks

05-26-2012, 08:01 PM	#18
mexiken Drives: Sofia: 2012 Chevy Camaro 2SS LS3 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 393 View My Garage	Thanks for the update. Definitely watching this one. __________________ Interior: 2-tone gray interior, Blue Dome and trunk lights, L.A. Dodgers floor mats (to come: footwell lighting) Exterior: Sunroof, custom painted gray stripes, vinyl Bowtie emblem decals, Holographic Transformer decals, white license plate LED lights Sounds: Stock highs, Alpine MRX-M100 amp mated to a 12" JL Audio W3 in a Subthump Stealth enclosure Engine/Performance: Hurst Short Throw Shifter, Rx Catch Can painted IBM, (to come: JacFab CAI, muffler delete/Flowmasters)

04-28-2012, 06:07 PM	#1
RacnJsn95 Drives: 2010 1SS Camaro; 72 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Point, OR Posts: 1,958 View My Garage	Introducing the JacFab CAI system! Dyno numbers, and videos inside. It's been a couple months coming, I've dropped a few mentionings here and there, but didn't really want to show it off until I had the cold hard proof from the dyno... The car (mine) used for the baseline is essentially a stock car, major "performance" mods are: Dynomax #39494 axle back, and JacFab X-pipe w/ resonator delete. Nothing that probably effects anything in a positive or negative way... The car has the STOCK tune, and was not tuned to run with the JacFab intake. The baseline was done at 10:30am, Friday 4/27, and the comparison with the JacFab intake done appx. 30 minutes later after we removed the the stock and swapped in the JacFab unit, ambient temp were 5 degrees hotter while running the JacFab intake. Baseline : 370.25 hp / 363.83 ft lb tq JacFab inake: 387.95 hp / 373.11 ft lb tq That's a +17 hp peak gain, and a 9 ft lb peak torque gain, but there are large areas in the curve where both hp and tq show a 20+ gain over the stock... Here is the video... Please pardon the dirty car, I had to drive for 4 hrs to get to the dyno, as the only one locally is about 4x the price, and it was cheaper to just drive. Everyone says that cone filters are superior to flat panel filters because they have more surface area. But my theory was that a flat panel filter will allow a straighter air flow path, while also removing the turbulence in the air stream. Combining the flat panel filter with a large, magic if you will, velocity stack like affair built into the filter clamp allows for maximizing the usable surface area of the flat panel filter, and increasing air velocity at the same time. We are very happy with the outcome of our first prototype, as it looks to have exceeded numbers of most of the competition without the ADM/APEX intake scoop according to both JRE tests... It should also be noted that the ADM/APEX scoop is not installed on the test car, the factory washer bottle is in place, and the fender wells have not been modified in ANY way to attempt to increase airflow... This was tested just as if it had shown up out of a box to a customer, no further modifications, or additional products! These numbers are also backed up by track (drag strip) testing where the car picked up 2.5 tenths from last years best time with the only changes being the JacFab intake, and short throw shifter modification (write up in the DIY section on the shifter). However everyone at the track was running a tenth fast due to good air, so if you consider that, we still picked up 1.5 tenths which is right there with what the dyno numbers show. We currently working on pricing, available color options, and looking at tweaks for the production version to further improve performance, and ease of install. Thoughts? UPDATES 8/13/12: Approved master of velocity stack/filter clamp for mold process Post #41 8/23/12: Received first plastic molded intake pieces for intake, and random flow info Post #50 9/10/12: First picture of "production prototype" intake Post #62 9/12/12: 2nd Picture of "production prototype" intake (new MAF location)Post #77 9/15/12: New dyno numbers for "production prototype intake +18hp/+16tq Post #102 9/16/12: Updated dyno video, and picture of intake out of car Post #107 9/16/12: Theories behind the intake (Why it works) Post #118 10/16/12: The intake will utilize a silicone intake tube, explanation here: Post #152 Attached Images Last edited by RacnJsn95; 10-16-2012 at 01:11 PM.

04-29-2012, 12:35 AM	#4
Nutro Drives: 2011 2SS Synergy Green Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,713	Dude that looks sweet! Any price point or is it too early? __________________

04-29-2012, 11:39 AM	#5
2010 SSRS R.I.P. jesserayjames Drives: 2010 IOM 2SSRS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Warwick,RI Posts: 111,887 View My Garage	Awesome numbers and looks great __________________ Jannetty Racing JRE Street Package

04-29-2012, 09:25 PM	#6
RacnJsn95 Drives: 2010 1SS Camaro; 72 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Point, OR Posts: 1,958 View My Garage	According to forum rules I can not discuss pricing on a "non-comercial" section... Didn't think it would be a problem since I don't have an actual set in stone price yet, I am not taking orders, and was just trying to get feedback from the general public about the prototype test results... I have "been warned" for giving a ball park price... Pretty strict around here... Also thought I would mention that the dic read 25.2 mpg on the way to the dyno with the stock box, which tied the high mileage previous record on the same trip (that I've done about 4-5 times now), and the dic read 26.3 mpg on the way back with the JacFab intake installed. Tried to drive exactly the same both ways, using cruise control everywhere except on large uphill sections always driving 5mph overthe limit, so about 85% of the drive time was at 70mph, and about 10% being about 65mph, with the remaining being less... So I'd say our intake is good for a solid, real world +1mpg gain at reasonable highway speeds... Last edited by RacnJsn95; 04-29-2012 at 09:53 PM.

05-01-2012, 12:49 PM	#10
EliteCZM523 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 87	That dip has to do with timing....if u look at the stock timing tables there is a small dip right around 4,100 RPM's. I had the same thing on my car when i went to the dyno, created a small "dip" in the timing table and it worked like a charm!

05-26-2012, 07:47 PM	#17
RacnJsn95 Drives: 2010 1SS Camaro; 72 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Point, OR Posts: 1,958 View My Garage	We've pulled the trigger with the plastic forming company up north of us to have the velocity stack affair made of one piece ABS plastic. Our expected wait is 4-6 weeks for the tooling to be completed, and to receive the first 2 "prototype" pieces for approval. Once we receive the first to pieces, we will construct 2 more "final prototypes" and head back up to the dyno, and should hopefully be able to start producing these for sale shortly after that. The final piece is looking like it will be a very nice product, and should be well worth the wait

05-27-2012, 04:27 AM	#19
Mongoose03 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Camaro Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 73	__________________ Frank 2011 2SS/RS L99 GMPP Exhaust

05-27-2012, 04:51 AM	#20
Sterling Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT/RS M6 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Fairhaven, MA Posts: 5,910 View My Garage	Nice looking intake... and good numbers too. __________________ Trifecta tune, Vararam Intake, VMAX throttle body and manifold insulator, RxPerformance Catch Can, , MRT v1.0 and Louvers, Barton shifter, BMR strut tower brace, RED dome light and Plasma LED DRL's, fieldgoal00's Halo 1 harness, hood spears/side stripes, rain guards, custom bowtie, Team LLT badges, headlight and foglight covers, taillight and side marker covers, backup light covers, WeatherTech floormats

06-04-2012, 02:35 PM	#21
DFWZ28 Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: May 2012 Location: Rockwall, TX Posts: 546 View My Garage	that is pretty sweet looking!!

06-04-2012, 03:17 PM	#22
justa25thTA Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 1,553	looks cool and seems to perform, but the name... __________________ Yeah, I'll get around to it...

06-04-2012, 04:10 PM	#24
PAUL SS The Mark of Excellence Drives: 2010 ABM 1SS RS LS3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Smallest State in the Union Posts: 7,622 View My Garage	Nice looking unit, good luck with it. __________________ The Few, The Proud, The Aqua Blue Metallics 709 of 3903 New England Camaro5 . My Camaro Journal Heritage Grill, Cold Air Inductions Intake, Elite Engineering Catch Can, BMR 1" Lowering Springs, Sway Bars and End Links, Clear Image Jet Hot Ceramic Coated headers and High Flow Cats, Hurst Billet 2 Shifter, LSR Billet Strut Washers, DynoMax Axle Back Exhaust, JANNETTY MAGIC!

06-04-2012, 04:45 PM	#25
vam5555 Drives: used to be-2012 camaro 2SS - Black Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: NoVA Posts: 35	That looks pretty good. I've got a CAI intake right now, and had to fine tune it some to have it not sit on/touch the radiator hose. Any issues like that with yours? Other than that, looks awesome, really interested to see prices / fitment once it's all finalized. Great work.