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Old 06-14-2013, 04:35 PM   #376
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Assuming we are comparing the 2 same intakes, I would strongly disagree. 90% of the tube looks identical. The box is fitted in the same manner. And they are both pulling air from the same location. The only difference is the filter inlet and filter itself, and if that was such a limiting factor stick a CAI type tube on the stock airbox with a scoop and see probably pretty close to the same gains. It still doesn't add up.

That's my whole point, these 2 systems are very much alike, put the 2 on a flow bench and see what they do, I seriously doubt that one out flows the other enough to make a 17 rwhp difference. The designs are far to alike for that kind of variance. The gains to me are just way to far apart, and are not verified by anyone else up to this point other than the guy making them.
Sorry, You are strongly wrong. You didn't read this whole tread or you missed much of it.

These systems are not near the same. It's not about the tube. It's about the filter orientation. It does add up. The turbulence caused by the cone style filter on the end of the tube is why this new design beats it handily.

There is a lot for flow bench data in this thread already. Suggest you hunt it down in here.
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chevyfan, please have patience, (like the rest of us have) ! Jason has been very forthcoming and IMO honest with the development of the Cold Rush! He has shared with the C5 community everything and every step along the way, something that very few if any other aftermarket part developer I know! He has a limited time schedule and local resources so he tests and re-tests the best way he can! He not only has dyno tested locally but he has had these in the hands of some Camaro5 members for development and beta testing. I will be helping in an independent "tune" version dyno testing once the final product is released! Stay tuned and grab some good
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That's my whole point, these 2 systems are very much alike, put the 2 on a flow bench and see what they do, I seriously doubt that one out flows the other enough to make a 17 rwhp difference. The designs are far to alike for that kind of variance. The gains to me are just way to far apart, and are not verified by anyone else up to this point other than the guy making them.
They have been on a flow bench, read the thread... Brand x, brand y, brand c, brand a... The intakes by themselves, the intakes through an ls3 head, intake, and throttle body... Not a single one of them flows more than the Cold Rush intake...

Here's a neat example: According to your theory they aren't that different and should flow the same on a flow bench? A 4" intake tube should only flow as much a a 4" intake tube can flow, right? Wrong...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...6&postcount=50

There's more neat bits like that to be found if you read the whole thread, 3 Dyno tests, 3 different operators, 2 different dynos, all similar results every time. You think I wanted brand x to show such a small gain in the last test? No way, I hoped that it would actually show what they claim... It is what it is, if I genuinely thought my design sucked and was the same as all the rest, I would have given up in it a long time ago rather than continuing to throw money at it. You don't have to believe a word if thus thread, by all means, go buy a brand x.

Don't even look at the brand x numbers if they bother you... Fact is, I've shown similar gains when compared to stock each time, I am not friends with any of the Dyno places I've been to, and the first one I used in the first 2 tests was a 4 hour drive from me...

Someday someone else will get their hands in it and give it a go. Hopefully they will report similar findings.

I didn't build it to "get rich", and I've bent over back wards to do a lot of the testing, some of which was even removed from the site at the request of one of the sponsors, otherwise you would see many more 1 on 1 comparisons. Several of the pieces to this story are missing, and very few have had ether opportunity to see.

Please excuse any typos, I did this on my phone.
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You would think someone has a personal interest in this endeavor! A competitor type personal interest! I'd never buy something because 1 person said I should, no matter who said it. That would be stupid!

I am subscribed and waiting. I hope it works out!
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You would think someone has a personal interest in this endeavor! A competitor type personal interest! I'd never buy something because 1 person said I should, no matter who said it. That would be stupid!

I am subscribed and waiting. I hope it works out!
Funny because one person said brand x was good, and then lots of people started buying it.
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Funny because one person said brand x was good, and then lots of people started buying it.
I'm glad you understood what was being said in that post.

I was drawn in by that same thing that took X to the point of being on back order, back in the day. Then found at least three others that I liked more. Because of your honesty and work ethic, I sure hope, if I still had my Camaro, that the Cold Rush would have been one of my favorites.
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Because of your honesty and work ethic, I sure hope, if I still had my Camaro, that the Cold Rush would have been one of my favorites.
Thank you!

I also feel the need to reiterate for the new people just joining the conversation, I am a person first, a sponsor second. I am not here solely to peddle my wares as some of the others are. Don't want to buy what I have? Don't by it, simple as that. My feelings won't be hurt.
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Interesting. First time I've seen this thread. Just from the pic of your unit it appears the biggest advantage is being able to pull air without it having to make a hard 90° turn which is something air doesn't like to do. You're essentially breaking the single 90° turn into 2 lesser angle turns which would explain the increase in velocity.

Going to be interesting to see what the final results of the finished product are and how much this unit will sell for.
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True. I tend to be skeptical especially when a lot of people start praising a product and even more especially when those people are only praising it because they bought it and they only bought it because others praised it and so on and so forth. And I have a feeling I know what brand you are referring to but I won't mention any names. If it is the brand I am thinking of, then most people don't even know the differences between it and other styles of CAI. I took one look at this particular brand and knew immediately that it was not what I wanted.
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No progress to report unfortunately... I need a couple new "masters" of the MAF sensor mount 3d printed out before I can attempt to make a mold, and I'm told that it's going to be about 3 to 4 weeks before I can get them from the place I have do the 3d printing stuff for me.

At the moment, that's the biggest hold up.

I've also started procuring things that I need to make the intake for the 2012+ LFX... With any luck, perhaps they can both be introduced for sale at the same time.
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Looking like the end of the year then? No worries. I know developing something like this is a PITA.

One question though this intake should work with the RotoFab washer bottle right? That's one thing I'm not wanting to give up.

I hope this Cold Air Intake works out for you man. You are putting so much work into it.
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No progress to report unfortunately... I need a couple new "masters" of the MAF sensor mount 3d printed out before I can attempt to make a mold, and I'm told that it's going to be about 3 to 4 weeks before I can get them from the place I have do the 3d printing stuff for me.

At the moment, that's the biggest hold up.

I've also started procuring things that I need to make the intake for the 2012+ LFX... With any luck, perhaps they can both be introduced for sale at the same time.
Take a look at rapid prototyping in wichita. I've been to their facility and used their parts to enclose a display before. They do good work. I'd be happy to ride them for you if you wanna jump suppliers.
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They are called RapidPSI.
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Looking like the end of the year then? No worries. I know developing something like this is a PITA.

One question though this intake should work with the RotoFab washer bottle right? That's one thing I'm not wanting to give up.

I hope this Cold Air Intake works out for you man. You are putting so much work into it.
Yes it does, I stuck one on for test fit quite some time ago:

I would have figured out how to make it fit if it didn't because I think it looks great, and compliments the look of the engine bay, and intake well.

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Take a look at rapid prototyping in wichita. I've been to their facility and used their parts to enclose a display before. They do good work. I'd be happy to ride them for you if you wanna jump suppliers.
Thanks, someone else already sent me a pm with another place to check out. I will give them a call. The biggest thing is cost, before the previous place I had used this last time I was quoted anywhere from $350-650 for the MAF mount piece... I paid $72 for the last one, and it was local. The wait at the moment is mostly because the guy is on vacation.
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That's cheap! Stick with your guy if you like it. You're not going to find better pricing than that for low volume runs.
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350 is what i would expect for a couple small pieces.
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350 is what i would expect for a couple small pieces.
I need to buy my own 3d printer...
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They're getting cheaper. There is a place that i ran across at CES that might work. I'll see if i can find their cards tomorrow.
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You need to start a kickstarter project so that, you can procure the necessary funds to get this line up and running.


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Have you looked into that yet?

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That's the second time that's been mentioned to me... I've actually thought about it, but I didn't think there would be enough interest. A large amount of $$ would certainly speed things along, but I had never wanted to do a "pre-order" because it seems like 90% of them I see on here for new products other vendors are doing all seem to end badly with a bunch of pissed off people... I've also been trying to do this the entire time without borrowing money and going into debt to do it... Probably not the best, and definitely not the fastest way to go about it, but I'm not loosing any sleep about the consequences that could arise in a worst case scenario.

If it wasn't such a ridiculously expensive design to easily, and cost effectively reproduce, they could be been on the market a long time ago. I'm also pretty picky about a lot of it as I'm sure most of you that have read the entire thread have picked up on, the quality of the parts, has constantly gotten better as time went on, and as such, so has the cost to produce it.
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I wouldn't do it either. Involving others will take some of the wind out of your sails once it's all said and done.
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