Chevrolet: Stock 2012 ZL1 Runs 11.93 Quarter Mile (Video)

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Indeed...and a Class Record Holder. I don't recall any LTD wagons of such caliber, but Richard Charbenneau was a Champion with a "non-existant" 427-410 Fairlane Wagon and Lynda Pleva-Philipps' 427-410hp '67 LTD was a threat for a while in D/SA...but couldn't pull a wheel...

Is that a 1968 Roadrunner in the far lane? Is there in Hemi in there?

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Selective hearing is a property my wife has. Selective reading/comprehension exists EVERYWHERE...

From AutoLine (which isn't a "line"): The automatic transmission equipped car ran the 11.93, but the manual which ran 11.96 did so without launch control.**

So, folks, the 11.93 was WITH PTM...

PTM =/= launch control. The auto cars don't have launch control.

[htron50]

Pretty soon we will be seeing the "broken in" cars at the track. It's going to be a lot of fun watching Camaro5 and the excitement this summer shall bring everyone!

[Paco]

Some of you are really showing your desperation right now

[htron50]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

The MRC system employed on the Camaro is an updated version first used (directly) on the CTS-V...ergo, my (apparently to the 500 fans) errant reference. In GM's total history, Gen-3 MRC is correct. Which also helps explain why it's specific attributes, dialed in for the ZL1, may lend assistance in it's excellent 60' times...

ZR1s were mentioned. 51-49 distribution (same as a ZL1!!). 3353 lb. Curb. Almost 400 fewer lb. over its 335s than the ZL1 plants its 305s with...

Ever wonder why, in the "old days", 6- and 9-passanger Wagons in Stock and Super Stock pulled such wicked 60' times? Extra weight over the rear wheels...

Here's an O/Stock-Automatic 350-255hp Impala Wagon...(NO transbrake!) pullin' daylite...

BTW, good luck with your Shelby in Sherwood...

Yeppers! I think that means a lot! It's also why the El Caminos had trouble hooking --- too light on the rear end!

[HDRDTD]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

PTM =/= launch control. The auto cars don't have launch control.

I don't believe 'Launch Control' is the same as PTM. Aren't they two seperate things

Exclusive Performance Traction Management for the race course, and the drag strip
The Camaro ZL1 will also offer Performance Traction Management (PTM) as standard equipment, which is exclusive to General Motors. First introduced on the Corvette ZR1, PTM is an advanced system that integrates magnetic ride control, launch control, traction control and electronic stability control, to enhance performance on the racetrack and drag strip.

For example, the launch control feature (manual transmission only) automatically modulates engine torque for the best possible acceleration without excessive wheel spin. When the driver pushes the throttle to the floor, the system holds a predetermined engine speed until the driver releases the clutch. Then, the system modulates engine torque 100 times per second to maximize the available traction. The system is capable of approaching a skilled driver’s best effort and repeats it consistently.
Similarly, on a road course, the driver can apply full throttle when exiting a corner and PTM will automatically manage acceleration dynamics to maximize exit speed based on available traction.

Five PTM performance levels or modes are available to accommodate the given ambient and track conditions, driver experience/vehicle familiarity and driver comfort levels. They include:

• Mode 1 – Traction control set for wet conditions, with stability control on and Magnetic Ride Control set on Tour.
• Mode 2 – Traction control set for dry conditions, with stability control on and Magnetic Ride Control set on Tour.
• Mode 3 – Traction control set on Sport 1, with stability control on and Magnetic Ride Control set on Sport.
• Mode 4 – Traction control set on Sport 2, with stability control off and Magnetic Ride Control set on Sport.
• Mode 5 – Traction control set on Race, with stability control off and Magnetic Ride Control set on Track. Launch control tuned for VHT-prepped drag strips.

“Like the Magnetic Ride Control, the Performance Traction Management system improves the ZL1 experience as a daily driver and on the track,” said Oppenheiser. “By offering five distinct modes of traction management, the driver can select what’s best for them based on their experience and the driving conditions. As a result, novice drivers will find the ZL1 is very enjoyable to drive, while expert drivers will find PTM supplements their driving skill without interfering with their intentions.”?

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

I don't believe 'Launch Control' is the same as PTM. Aren't they two seperate things

My understanding is that Launch Control in not PTM, but is a function that is available when any of the PTM modes is selected.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

I don't believe 'Launch Control' is the same as PTM. Aren't they two seperate things

Exclusive Performance Traction Management for the race course, and the drag strip
The Camaro ZL1 will also offer Performance Traction Management (PTM) as standard equipment, which is exclusive to General Motors. First introduced on the Corvette ZR1, PTM is an advanced system that integrates magnetic ride control, launch control, traction control and electronic stability control, to enhance performance on the racetrack and drag strip.

For example, the launch control feature (manual transmission only) automatically modulates engine torque for the best possible acceleration without excessive wheel spin. When the driver pushes the throttle to the floor, the system holds a predetermined engine speed until the driver releases the clutch. Then, the system modulates engine torque 100 times per second to maximize the available traction. The system is capable of approaching a skilled driver’s best effort and repeats it consistently.
Similarly, on a road course, the driver can apply full throttle when exiting a corner and PTM will automatically manage acceleration dynamics to maximize exit speed based on available traction.

Five PTM performance levels or modes are available to accommodate the given ambient and track conditions, driver experience/vehicle familiarity and driver comfort levels. They include:

• Mode 1 – Traction control set for wet conditions, with stability control on and Magnetic Ride Control set on Tour.
• Mode 2 – Traction control set for dry conditions, with stability control on and Magnetic Ride Control set on Tour.
• Mode 3 – Traction control set on Sport 1, with stability control on and Magnetic Ride Control set on Sport.
• Mode 4 – Traction control set on Sport 2, with stability control off and Magnetic Ride Control set on Sport.
• Mode 5 – Traction control set on Race, with stability control off and Magnetic Ride Control set on Track. Launch control tuned for VHT-prepped drag strips.

“Like the Magnetic Ride Control, the Performance Traction Management system improves the ZL1 experience as a daily driver and on the track,” said Oppenheiser. “By offering five distinct modes of traction management, the driver can select what’s best for them based on their experience and the driving conditions. As a result, novice drivers will find the ZL1 is very enjoyable to drive, while expert drivers will find PTM supplements their driving skill without interfering with their intentions.”?

/= means not equal to. PTM is not launch control.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by capnkirk52

That's the point. GM's numbers have not proven to be "real world" numbers. The "7:41" in Germany, the claim of 120+ trap speeds, and now the "11.93"

Ok, the "7:41" may not have been disproven yet but with heatsoak issues like LPE just had going 200mph, how much heat soak was going on after five minutes of hard driving in Germany? Most people can put 2 and 2 together.

You could be right, but I have driven thousands of miles in Europe with Mustangs and Corvettes at very high speed and watched temperatures closely without ever experiencing overheating.

Another point: In one of the articles, GM and Chevy said they had run a drag strip launch over 1000 times in the ZL1 testing it's capabilities. That being said, wouldn't you think that they would have 1. chosen a very talented drag racing experienced driver? 2. with that many runs wouldn't they have experienced at least some Banzai runs that could have reached the levels they claimed? 3. If the driver weren't an experienced drag racer running the tests, wouldn't he have become one after a thousand launches? 4. After that many launches, wouldn't YOU be the world's expert on how to get the best times from a ZL1? In those scenarios, I think they could easily and honestly have quoted their best times. In all the delivered ZL1s I doubt the total would be 1000 runs even today. Patience is a virtue! We're most often finding the ZL1 surpasses most doubters expectations.

[KennyC]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

You could be right, but I have driven thousands of miles in Europe with Mustangs and Corvettes at very high speed and watched temperatures closely without ever experiencing overheating.

I think you missed the point. It has nothing to do with driving a mustang or vette at high speeds in Germany, or Africa for that matter. I'm assuming you've never owned or driven a PD blown car? Maybe im wrong. My old CTS would have its tongue hanging out after 3 back to back highway pulls. The intercooler fluid and blower gets hot and the engine starts pulling timing to compensate and not hurt itself. The ZL1 is not immune to this was the point. You go to any auto cross event and look at what all the big dogs are running. Usually not a PD blower.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by KennyC

I think you missed the point. It has nothing to do with driving a mustang or vette at high speeds in Germany, or Africa for that matter. I'm assuming you've never owned or driven a PD blown car? Maybe im wrong. My old CTS would have its tongue hanging out after 3 back to back highway pulls. The intercooler fluid and blower gets hot and the engine starts pulling timing to compensate and not hurt itself. The ZL1 is not immune to this was the point. You go to any auto cross event and look at what all the big dogs are running. Usually not a PD blower.

The ZL1 runs cooler than you might think on track. Airflow was maximized in the tunnel with the ZL1 and tested extensively for road course use. The result is a FI motor that likes to run hard at speed. At the drags or an AC a ZL1 will get hotter than it would running the Ring or most any track due to lack of air flow except for short bursts.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by KennyC

I think you missed the point. It has nothing to do with driving a mustang or vette at high speeds in Germany, or Africa for that matter. I'm assuming you've never owned or driven a PD blown car? Maybe im wrong. My old CTS would have its tongue hanging out after 3 back to back highway pulls. The intercooler fluid and blower gets hot and the engine starts pulling timing to compensate and not hurt itself. The ZL1 is not immune to this was the point. You go to any auto cross event and look at what all the big dogs are running. Usually not a PD blower.

honestly I think most people are missing the point.

drag race pretty much 100% load on the engine once you have traction. short bursts fully power only reach speed for a few seconds. basically ~12 seconds of airflow and then your down the retrun lane at real lows speed to sit. The engine will build heat wile sitting.

road corse alternating loads from 100% to 0%. you are allways at some speed so there is airflow. airflow is what cools a car.

now I tried to make that about is simple as I could. So as you can see it is plausable for a car that heats under drag race condition to sustain proper tempartures around a road coarse.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

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• Mode 5 – Traction control set on Race, with stability control off and Magnetic Ride Control set on Track. Launch control tuned for VHT-prepped drag strips.

... I have been driving the car from day 1 on mode 5 as delivered. Haven't tried to power launch the car as described yet. I can say the car is freakin nutsy fast. I would like to do a 1320 with the nannies off however.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

[/LIST] ... I have been driving the car from day 1 on mode 5 as delivered. Haven't tried to power launch the car as described yet. I can say the car is freakin nutsy fast. I would like to do a 1320 with the nannies off however.

Too many modes. I think the best burnout mode for the auto is #3. I am sure it wasn't 5.

[JimmyDeanSausage]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

The ZL1 runs cooler than you might think on track. Airflow was maximized in the tunnel with the ZL1 and tested extensively for road course use. The result is a FI motor that likes to run hard at speed. At the drags or an AC a ZL1 will get hotter than it would running the Ring or most any track due to lack of air flow except for short bursts.

You guys have a ZL1 already? What tracks were you running at that you were monitoring IATs?

Is it correct that the ZL1 doesn't have a reservoir for the supercharger coolant and just makes do with whats in the system?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by JimmyDeanSausage

You guys have a ZL1 already? What tracks were you running at that you were monitoring IATs?

Here come those damn

[capnkirk52]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Here come those damn

Why? The car has gone 9's in two different tuners hands. Doubt there are many secrets left? Warranty? Or what?

Not bashing but it's not a secret that a s/c car will build heat...

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

The MRC system employed on the Camaro is an updated version first used (directly) on the CTS-V...ergo, my (apparently to the 500 fans) errant reference. In GM's total history, Gen-3 MRC is correct. Which also helps explain why it's specific attributes, dialed in for the ZL1, may lend assistance in it's excellent 60' times...

ZR1s were mentioned. 51-49 distribution (same as a ZL1!!). 3353 lb. Curb. Almost 400 fewer lb. over its 335s than the ZL1 plants its 305s with...

Ever wonder why, in the "old days", 6- and 9-passanger Wagons in Stock and Super Stock pulled such wicked 60' times? Extra weight over the rear wheels...

Here's an O/Stock-Automatic 350-255hp Impala Wagon...(NO transbrake!) pullin' daylite...

BTW, good luck with your Shelby in Sherwood...

Thank you! I can't wait and it will look awesome next to my Camaro I'll make sure to take pictures of them

Also as I think you said, the ZL1 should get better 60' times than the ZR1 simply due to it's higher curb weight, weight as we should all know actually aids traction! So I guess if I was going to go to the drag strip I would want a lot of Sandbags in the trunk

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by capnkirk52

Why? The car has gone 9's in two different tuners hands. Doubt there are many secrets left? Warranty? Or what?

Not bashing but it's not a secret that a s/c car will build heat...

In my role, I am trusted with a fair amount of information. There are in business and personal relationships that I abide by. Much of what I see in this thread is highly inaccurate. As much as I would enjoy correcting them, I'll stick with my measured replies.

As for building heat, I think this my reply was quite clear. The ZL1 runs cooler than you might think on track. Airflow was maximized in the tunnel with the ZL1 and tested extensively for road course use. The result is a FI motor that likes to run hard at speed. At the drags or an AC a ZL1 will get hotter than it would running the Ring or most any track due to lack of air flow except for short bursts.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by KennyC

I think you missed the point. It has nothing to do with driving a mustang or vette at high speeds in Germany, or Africa for that matter. I'm assuming you've never owned or driven a PD blown car? Maybe im wrong. My old CTS would have its tongue hanging out after 3 back to back highway pulls. The intercooler fluid and blower gets hot and the engine starts pulling timing to compensate and not hurt itself. The ZL1 is not immune to this was the point. You go to any auto cross event and look at what all the big dogs are running. Usually not a PD blower.

It looks to me you sort of overlooked my discussion on the culpability of GM's claims for the ZL1. It's pretty easy to drive a duramax and perhaps not understand what it takes to wring out the very best performance possible in a given car on either the road course or drag strip. That GM claims their "Ring" time or the 120 MPH trap time at the drag strip and no-one has done that yet, doesn't mean that it can't or that they have intentionally led anyone astray. I have confidence that if GM said it, the car is capable of running those amazing times. They would lose tremendous credibility in the end if it were a lie and I don't think they went to all the trouble of creating this super car without knowing the consequences of deliberately lying about it's capabilities. I've driven cars on the Nurburgring, Mugello, Franciacorte, Hockenheim and others and I do understand the tremendous extremes associated with maximum effort. Just my opinion.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I have confidence that if GM said it, the car is capable of running those amazing times. They would lose tremendous credibility in the end if it were a lie and I don't think they went to all the trouble of creating this super car without knowing the consequences of deliberately lying about it's capabilities...

Your confidence is well placed sir.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

Also as I think you said, the ZL1 should get better 60' times than the ZR1 simply due to it's higher curb weight, weight as we should all know actually aids traction! So I guess if I was going to go to the drag strip I would want a lot of Sandbags in the trunk

Didn't say "better"...but the extra rear weight of the ZL1 'splains how its 60' times are "real world", not a figment of imagination...

Next time you're runnin' the 1/4, put some extra weight in the trunk and see what it does to 60' times...you, too, may be surprized! In times gone by, the "pro" Jr. Stockers often built their cars BELOW factory weight, and then put spare tires (sometimes concrete-filled!) in the trunk...for added "bite" on their skinny 7" tires. Worked then...works now...will work in the future...

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Uhhhhh, my G2 Goodyears dont hook anywhere near a slick!!!!! I mean NO WHERE NEAR IT!!!! For somebody to say they do is just nuts......

Wear 'em a bit then under inflate them for launch and then claim hero stock numbers. Simple.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by wawrecker

Been in the patch for the last 6 months and I come back to people flaming a thread about a factory 11 sec car that runs 200mph? This was un-heard of 5-10-20 years ago, what the hell are the haters drinking?

The problem seems to be getting folks to acknowledge two 11 second 200 MPH capable cars. Me, "two of 'em, that's double the pleasure right, so let's celebrate rather than bitch and moan as to which is better.". BTW, we all know in our hearts which one is anyway.

[2012ZL1]

...yawn...


...yawn...


....yawn....

bench racing does get tiring don't it?