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Old 05-12-2009, 10:38 AM   #15
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So even if you have the pedal to the floor after 1st gear, it is actually not even close to wide open?
When you shift the car, the throttle blade momentarily closes down to 27% open, then ramps back up to 100%. Torque management. The computer does this to ensure that the transmission has more longevity. Consider torque management as "abuse management". But, it also hurts performance. With a custom tune, this can be reduced. In stock form, powershifting is relatively boring and feels no different than lift-n-shift since the throttle closes automatically.

Also, some of you guys are comparing the best possible LS1 and LT1 stock times to average and worst case Gen 5 times. Here is what we should be noting:

Assuming 100% showroom stock, on stock tires, stock curb weight:

1993-1997 LT1 4th Gen = 13.6 extreme case, 13.8 on the good side, 14.1 typical
1998-2002 LS1 4th Gen = 12.8 extreme case, 13.1 on the good side, 13.4 typical
2010 Camaro SS = 12.8 extreme case, 13.0 on the good side, 13.4 typical

I don't see 12.7s happening with the 100% stock tune or 100% stock 20" tires anytime soon. In negative DA weather, 12.9-13.0 no problem. In positive DA weather mid-13s will be the norm. In 2,000 ft DA weather even the 4th Gen LS1 cars run 13.5-13.7, not 12s.
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Old 05-14-2009, 01:47 PM   #16
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Doesn't this bother anyone else that the 2005+ Mustang GT's will be running neck and neck if the Camaro runs 13.0-13.4's? Perhaps it's just me.
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Old 05-14-2009, 04:57 PM   #17
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Doesn't this bother anyone else that the 2005+ Mustang GT's will be running neck and neck if the Camaro runs 13.0-13.4's? Perhaps it's just me.
Why does this bother you ?

BTW, I will not be neck and neck I'll be a length or so ahead
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Old 05-14-2009, 05:19 PM   #18
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Why does this bother you ?

BTW, I will not be neck and neck I'll be a length or so ahead
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Old 05-14-2009, 05:20 PM   #19
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It is going to be a drivers race for sure.

The better car is the one you like better.

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Old 05-15-2009, 10:45 AM   #20
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Stock for stock I'll see you in my rear view mirror . I guess my expectations were just slightly too high. I was hoping that the Camaro would be running 12.7-12.8's with slightly better than average driver (stock).
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Old 05-18-2009, 04:22 PM   #21
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Stock for stock I'll see you in my rear view mirror . I guess my expectations were just slightly too high. I was hoping that the Camaro would be running 12.7-12.8's with slightly better than average driver (stock).
That shouldn't be far off. High end is amazing on this car. I raced a buddies 96 Z28 with full bolt-ons and 1.6 rockers and pulled it pretty good. It was a roll race and I know for a fact that his car will walk a bone stock LS1 so a 5th gen will hand a bone stock LS1 a loss. But it is hard to find an LS1 car that's bone stock these days.

As for a mustang GT being ahead of a 5th gen . What ever you're smoking must be pretty good.
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:56 AM   #22
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I'm not sure what the coming of the 5th generation means as far as prices for the 4th gen...but if 4th gen prices go down, then a lot of 4th gens could end up turning into some wicked project cars.
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Old 05-24-2009, 03:40 PM   #23
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My 2001 Z28 stripper hard top's shipping weight was around 3340lbs. according to the sheet that came with all the other paperwork in the folder. According to every other F-body owner that had a well optioned or t-top car, thiers was 3500lds. plus. I never got a 12.9 stock. First month I had it I put a Fast Toys Ram Air kit on it, took the back seats out and the front sway bar off to go to two tracks. Got a 12.97 @ Norwalk, Ohio and the next day ran a 12.98 @ Ubly, Michigan. Eventually with a better clutch, maf ends, msd plug wires, ngk tr 55 plugs some skinnies up front, hooker super comp headers, 2.5" true dual exhaust, a short belt and a lil computer tweaking by a GM friend, it ran a best of 12.44@117 on the stock RSA's out back. Switching to ET Drags that day netted me a best of 12.09@113 missing 4th gear. Shortly thereafter I was rearended and never got the car back to the track.
I think it depends more on driver and conditions at this point. The faster car doesn't always win. I've pulled hard on other cars only to lose because I couldn't make up the ground I lost at the starting line when I spun the tires to much. Even with slicks on I've lost to a higher hp car on radials. I've got video to prove it. I was just sleepin at the tree and he rolled out calmly. I came out the whole like a bat outta hell off the limiter and ran .28 seconds faster et. He would pull me a lil in every gear though and he beat me to the line.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I never worried about the stock times cause I always knew I was gonna make it faster. Hell, according to some purists changing to a k&n filter means its not stock anymore.
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Old 05-24-2009, 03:44 PM   #24
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I just ran an auto 2002 Trans Am yesterday 3 times (same weather, road conditions...). I've got the LS3. The 2002 hangs dead even through the first two gears. In 3rd I put about 1 car on him each time. The results seemed pretty consistent. One thing is that the heavy 20 inch rims make the new one really easy to launch. The sticky tires don't break loose as the RPMs climb in first.
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:19 PM   #25
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hey guys ran a 13.5 at 111mph wed night in my 2010 2ss, i was pissed!!! my 2000 ss runs a consistant 12.6
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Old 05-25-2009, 01:37 PM   #26
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hey guys ran a 13.5 at 111mph wed night in my 2010 2ss, i was pissed!!! my 2000 ss runs a consistant 12.6

I wouldn't be pissed with 111 mph trap speed. You just need a good launch. My guess is your 60' times were in the 2.2+ range. You have the trap speed to run easy 12s with a 1.9 sec 60' time (which is very possible with a decent launch). I pulled 1.99 sec 60' in my bone stock 06 GTO (13.3 @ 105 mph). With 111 mph trap speeds, I'd have my GTO running mid 12s for sure.


And your 2000 SS must be modded. I owned 2 different LS1 Fbody's and in average air (70 degrees, sunny), they both ran mid 13s @ 104-106 mph.
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hey guys ran a 13.5 at 111mph wed night in my 2010 2ss, i was pissed!!! my 2000 ss runs a consistant 12.6
hahahahaha that was a great Troll right there nice one. You win the award !!!
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