nw102 issues

[mikepage0007]

Originally Posted by Whipped416

i should be on the dyno with my NW 102 in about a week and will have some results on a mustang dyno pushing over 800 rwhp.

anticipating your results...

[OrangeChevyII]

A: there has been a problem for two years.
B: I can't stand when people try to sugar coat anything.
C: who is he to tell anyone after the fact "they" are working on it?
D: we took your money, deal with it attitude pisses the nicest people off.

Is that enough reason to be upset about it? It is in my book.

[chappy48]

Be mad. Not saying you don't have a reason not to be. I just bought a NW 102 and am concerned now since reading this thread. But I know Ted will fix it and make it right. Just try to leave the personal attacks out of it. Can't we all just get along! :P

[paul2010]

I think that Scoggin Dickey is the only outlet that is selling these. If anyone is having a problem maybe they should take it up with them. The original C5 version is good up to at least 1200 rwhp with no issues.

[RUMBLBE]

Where are the Mods? There have been at least 4 major rules broken here and the thread is still open for the attitudes to post in. What gives?

I can speak for the NW102 TB on the application that is was designed for. As Hendrix stated it was designed for the FAST 102 manifold and it works great. I admit mine has been finicky for my tuner but they occasionally are. Should there be a disclaimer about high horsepower motors...maybe. How many threads have we seen about wheels being damaged by holes in the road and the ensuing complaints from the owners? It wasnt the manufactures that came on here and said anything it was the dealers! There also wasnt any disclaimers from the manufactures that said if you hit a pothole you wheel is going to be damaged. So why are we getting bent out of shape over 14 throttle bodies not working the way they are suppose to on an application they werent designed for? There seems to be other solutions so if you arent happy with the NW go with something else. Everyone is acting like this is the first time in their life they bought something that didnt work like it was suppose to. Oh wait the complaints are from the guys that the TB is only 1% of the cost of their motors. How about we keep the thread moving toward a solution instead of personal attacks. If we cant then Mods please close the thread and follow the rules with appropriate punishments.

[Nick Williams]

I'm pretty sure that I have came up with an easy solution to the problems you guys are having. I made a prototype last week that had over 50% more holding power before shutting. Now I just have to get the production parts made for final testing on a car. Should be done in a few days, I'm waiting on custom tooling to come in. This fix will require the throttle body being sent back to me for machining and change of internal parts.

For the record, this has never been an actual problem with the throttle body, or its design. The failure comes from a safety precaution that is coded into the PCM from GM. When it sees too much load on the TAC motor, it shuts down. This has acutally happend in extreme situations even with the stock throttle body, however it is usually more prominent with the bigger sizes. One reason being that the bigger the blade is, the more surface area it has for the air to have an effect on. Another being that the leading edge of the blade is further from the center of rotation, thus giving the air pushing or pulling on it more leverage. I have seen this happen with the ls2, ls3 and C5 designs at some point.

With that explained, you guys should know that I haven't been just standing around. I have considered and tested many options trying to work around the safety precations. The ones tested til now just haven't been successful. I've even had someone working on rewriting the section of code in the computer for me since none of the current tuning software providers will implement it. Each individual combination is slightly different and the issue comes up at different power levels. There is no good way to predict and say at a "X" horspower or with a particular setup you will have issues. Just too many variables to consider. Most blow through setups never give issues. I have heard of one guy that had an issue N/A. I even had one customer with a Kenne Bell on a Vette tell me he never has any problems. So far the only proven fix has been to change to another computer system such as Motec or the Holley. With those, I haven't seen an issue yet.

I will keep you guys updated on the progress.

Nick

[CAMROSS]

Thanks Nick. We scream for development of new power mods for new cars and many manufacturers rise to the occasion and offer the same. I don't understand why some have issues with glitches in new applications for these products. Most, if not all of us appreciate your efforts and look forward to a reliable 102mm TB for FI use. Mine will be ready to ship when your ready to pull the trigger, and I'll be more than happy to pay for the modifications.

Bryan

[JUISSD]

Nick, I'll be running your tb on a FAST 102 intake with a Procharger F1-R at 19-20psi and should be making right around 1000rwhp. Do you anticipate problems with that set up or will it be a crapshoot?

[mikepage0007]

Originally Posted by RUMBLBE

Where are the Mods? There have been at least 4 major rules broken here and the thread is still open for the attitudes to post in. What gives?

I can speak for the NW102 TB on the application that is was designed for. As Hendrix stated it was designed for the FAST 102 manifold and it works great. I admit mine has been finicky for my tuner but they occasionally are. Should there be a disclaimer about high horsepower motors...maybe. How many threads have we seen about wheels being damaged by holes in the road and the ensuing complaints from the owners? It wasnt the manufactures that came on here and said anything it was the dealers! There also wasnt any disclaimers from the manufactures that said if you hit a pothole you wheel is going to be damaged. So why are we getting bent out of shape over 14 throttle bodies not working the way they are suppose to on an application they werent designed for? There seems to be other solutions so if you arent happy with the NW go with something else. Everyone is acting like this is the first time in their life they bought something that didnt work like it was suppose to. Oh wait the complaints are from the guys that the TB is only 1% of the cost of their motors. How about we keep the thread moving toward a solution instead of personal attacks. If we cant then Mods please close the thread and follow the rules with appropriate punishments.

you have some valid points, but last i checked you do not make -design or manufacturer the tb,s...if you spin rhetoric , lets see facts...where in black and white does it state that the nw102 is for ONLY fast intake..2nd - all tb,s should have 1 charestic, that is to move air...there is no reason for them to ever fail at doing that...if the factory 90mm can work at 1200 hp then all other designed tb,s should be able to do same ..unless it is stated by MANUFACTURER that it is only deigned for 1 application...no where is anyone abusing misusing the 102mm, or hitting potholes...we have bought a larger tb to move more air_ that is what a larger tb is designed to do, unlike a tire is not designed to hit potholes...if i buy a kick ass radio and it only plays music at low volume , when i bght it to play at high voulme and it failed at doing that,, i would be upset, as that it what it is supposed to do...i agree some have vented a little to much, but also have some good solutions and also has gotten nick to come on and update us...that is what this thread was designed to do...

[mikepage0007]

thanks nick for posting, glad to see you took the time to let us know what is going on instead of 20 different versions ...

[Sam88gta1]

Originally Posted by JUISSD

Nick, I'll be running your tb on a FAST 102 intake with a Procharger F1-R at 19-20psi and should be making right around 1000rwhp. Do you anticipate problems with that set up or will it be a crapshoot?

Yes it will be a problem. I had one fail on a 2010 Camaro with the NW 102 on a FAST 102. It has a single 88mm turbo. It caused a real problem when the car wouldn't run at the TX Mile event last year due to the tb failing. That NW 102 tb caused alot of problems for us over the weekend.

[blake-b]

Originally Posted by Sam88gta1

Yes it will be a problem. I had one fail on a 2010 Camaro with the NW 102 on a FAST 102. It has a single 88mm turbo. It caused a real problem when the car wouldn't run at the TX Mile event last year due to the tb failing. That NW 102 tb caused alot of problems for us over the weekend.

Crap. I have a ysi with the 102/102 combo. I have been told neither will be a benefit on a blow through set up. Maybe I should sell them and go back to stock tb and intake. Experts/opinions?

[OrangeChevyII]

The Fast 102 intake did nothing for my Ls3, I put the (older nw102) tb on and it picked up 8 total rwhp. I did see where someone posted the intake picked up some power on a FI car recently.

[nyny69]

bump for any updates

[lexlueger]

Originally Posted by nyny69

bump for any updates

I have an update. My NW 102 slammed on me two days ago on the STREET. 2nd gear about 5500 rpm and slap!! Reduced engine power. I thought I dropped a valve. DTC P2135. Had to clear the DTC and cycle the engine a couple times.

[Nick Williams]

Originally Posted by lexlueger

I have an update. My NW 102 slammed on me two days ago on the STREET. 2nd gear about 5500 rpm and slap!! Reduced engine power. I thought I dropped a valve. DTC P2135. Had to clear the DTC and cycle the engine a couple times.

Are you in Charlotte NC or NY? If you are in NC at them moment I have a prototype I would be interested in testing on your car.

Nick

[nyny69]

Originally Posted by Nick Williams

Are you in Charlotte NC or NY? If you are in NC at them moment I have a prototype I would be interested in testing on your car.

Nick

Cool deal. That's progress. Any idea how long these prototypes will be tested before a final fix is released.

[nyny69]

Originally Posted by lexlueger

I have an update. My NW 102 slammed on me two days ago on the STREET. 2nd gear about 5500 rpm and slap!! Reduced engine power. I thought I dropped a valve. DTC P2135. Had to clear the DTC and cycle the engine a couple times.

Looks like your going to be taking care of

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by nyny69

Cool deal. That's progress. Any idea how long these prototypes will be tested before a final fix is released.

Today on the Dyno Friday at the Track.

But your Problem is unique to your car.

[nyny69]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Today on the Dyno Friday at the Track.

But your Problem is unique to your car.

Wow. I'm glad your testing something. I realize it could be the other thing discussed. I'm just covering all the bases because if it's not a problem now it could be at some point.

Plus I was bored today

[mikepage0007]

from what i have heard, nick is busy and has some prototypes out in the field...a couple are vendors here , so i will let them post..buy there is def some testing going on...it would def be a bonus to try on cars that have failed..like jamie and lex,as they def had failures, imo

[lexlueger]

Originally Posted by Nick Williams

Are you in Charlotte NC or NY? If you are in NC at them moment I have a prototype I would be interested in testing on your car.

Nick

PM SENT

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by mikepage0007

from what i have heard, nick is busy and has some prototypes out in the field...a couple are vendors here , so i will let them post..buy there is def some testing going on...it would def be a bonus to try on cars that have failed..like jamie and lex,as they def had failures, imo

Yes, testing has commenced.

[mikepage0007]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Yes, testing has commenced.

i knew it before you did...lol

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Yes, testing has commenced.

I thought this was a fast car issue?