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Old 08-01-2012, 04:21 PM   #1
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ZL1 Fuel Pump with BAP

I've tried searching, but can't find a definitive answer. Will a ZL1 pump with a MSD BAP, along with ID850 injectors support 650RWHP?

I know the preferred setup is the LPE twin pump, but I am trying to see if the ZL1 pump that I already installed was a waste of time and money...
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:03 PM   #2
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I have this setup and the answer is yes.
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Yes it will, easily. But if your going to go for much more you will need a twin set up. Nice choice of injectors.
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I have this setup and the answer is yes.
How close are you to maxing out the zl1 pump, and what are your power numbers?
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:11 PM   #5
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I've tried searching, but can't find a definitive answer. Will a ZL1 pump with a MSD BAP, along with ID850 injectors support 650RWHP?

I know the preferred setup is the LPE twin pump, but I am trying to see if the ZL1 pump that I already installed was a waste of time and money...
Yeah I also think you will be fine the LPE twin pump is a better choice, but I think the ZL-1 pump is under estimated. I continue reading about modifided ZL-1 Camaros using the stock pump and pushing it over 650 rwhp. Check out August issue of GM High-Tech where Redline Motorsports pushed their ZL-1 Camaro to 654 rwhp and 624 rwtq with the stock pump and it ran a 10.34 at 134. They even bumped up the boost on race gas and got 730 rwhp to run a 10.23 at 138.94

I will be installing the ZL-1 fuel pump with the MSD BAP that I already have when I get my cam installed. hope to be at 650 rwhp. Good Luck with your build.
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I have the Edelbrock supercharger and I just got the ZL1 pump 60 pound injectors and 3" pulley and along with everything eles I have should be pushing around 650 RWHP and everyone I have talked to about the ZL1 pump says that it is good for at least 650 to 700 RWHP. You will be fine man. I'm getting everything installed next week and will get the exact numbers.
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one guy here made 625whp with no bap. so I say you will be fine with boost a pump at 650whp. but I am interested in knowing this too!
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one guy here made 625whp with no bap. so I say you will be fine with boost a pump at 650whp. but I am interested in knowing this too!
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I have the Edelbrock supercharger and I just got the ZL1 pump 60 pound injectors and 3" pulley and along with everything eles I have should be pushing around 650 RWHP and everyone I have talked to about the ZL1 pump says that it is good for at least 650 to 700 RWHP. You will be fine man. I'm getting everything installed next week and will get the exact numbers.
Be sure to post your results!!! I'm curious if those 60# injectors will be enough. Seems that everyone reccommends the ID85, but everything I read says that the 60# is plenty
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im putting down 720rwhp with the ZL1 pump and a bap. Also running meth though
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:35 AM   #11
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With a ZL1 Fuel Pump and ID850's you will be fine for 650rwhp. No BAP needed. Should only be around 58%IDC as well.

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As far as how close I am to maxing out the pump... I have no idea. Ted assured me that this is a safe setup and after 2800 miles of "Very spirited driving" I have had no issues.(I do add Torco to my fuel). Dynos are hard to come by in Alaska but my projected numbers should be around 650 RWHP.
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Fourmz what setting do you have the BAP at with the Zl-1 pump?
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With a ZL1 Fuel Pump and ID850's you will be fine for 650rwhp. No BAP needed. Should only be around 58%IDC as well.

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Be sure to post your results!!! I'm curious if those 60# injectors will be enough. Seems that everyone reccommends the ID85, but everything I read says that the 60# is plenty
Injectors are rated at 3bar of pressure or about 43psi. The Camaro has a 4bar system that runs at 58psi stock. Those 60# injectors are actually running around 70# before you even add the BAP to the equation. The ID850 is a great injector, and comes with data to make the tuning much easier and more precise. That's why the tuners recommend them. They are expensive though.

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ZL1 with 850's and BAP should be MORE than enough fuel. I'm at 670rwhp with stock fuel pump, BAP and 60# injectors. Add in a ZL1 and 850's... sky's the limit (unless lines need upgrading). Honestly, I would say the ZL1 with BAP and 850's should be good for close to 900-950hp... just a guess. If I'm running stock with BAP and 60#'s at about 770 to the motor... take your best guess.
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I'm running the ZL1 fp / 65lb injectors with 10.5 lbs of boost 668rwhp with no issues. LS3, Stock heads, pulley, cam, LG 1 7/8 LT's with LG 3" full exaust.
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I have a G8, ProCharged and did 576rwhp through E85 on ZL1 pump. Now, I have a DOD delete/cam swap and thinking I'll max out ZL1 pump through E85 around 650hp on E85. I went ahead and ordered a BAP.

Has anyone else run E85 at 650hp through ZL1 pump?
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Update: I am running the ZL1 pump with no BAP with FIC850 injectors. Made 635RWHP and have plenty of fuel!
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I've tried searching, but can't find a definitive answer. Will a ZL1 pump with a MSD BAP, along with ID850 injectors support 650RWHP?

I know the preferred setup is the LPE twin pump, but I am trying to see if the ZL1 pump that I already installed was a waste of time and money...
AFR is not an indication of enough fuel what you must do is Log your Fuel Pressure both on the Dyno and at the Track to know for sure.

Every car and part combination will be different and we can only offer General guide lines, drawing on Tons of Experience.

I have run this combo at 640 RWHP but the fuel pressure does drop about 8 PSI which is Not Desirable.

Anytime we do a Cam Blower combo we jump right to the LPE Twin Pump.

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When I had my car on the dyno we logged fuel pressure, AFR, and had a mechanical fuel pressure gauge installed at the fuel rail. Lowest the fuel pressure dropped to was 54 psi. This was while under 9.5 pounds of boost.
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When I had my car on the dyno we logged fuel pressure, AFR, and had a mechanical fuel pressure gauge installed at the fuel rail. Lowest the fuel pressure dropped to was 54 psi. This was while under 9.5 pounds of boost.
By right fuel pressure should remain at 4 bar or 58-60 PSI

The LPE Twin pump system raises fuel pressure to 70 PSI typically around 4000 RPM depending on the calculated Load value in the ECM.

When the fuel pressure drops in the Rail you have to compensate with Longer injector opening times.

53 PSI in the Rail becomes 43.5 PSI at the injector tip at 9.5 PSI boost.

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There is a G8 making 690rwhp with zl1 pump through auto and didnt need a BAP... ANYONE have info on E85?
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There is a G8 making 690rwhp with zl1 pump through auto and didnt need a BAP... ANYONE have info on E85?
Again just because you made a number and your AFR was OK on the Dyno does not mean you have enough fuel supply.

What happens on a longer pull with a 1/4 tank of Gas would blow your mind or your motor.

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