2ss Automatic ...Wheres the Beef ?

[vroomapunk]

sport mode makes a diff

[GEEKFREEKSCOTTY]

Originally Posted by Sir Nuke

Find a nice secluded spot, just put it in SPORT mode, don't use the paddle shifters, hit the gas, and let her unwind!

DON'T use the paddle shifters? why not?

I would think you would want to use them to eek out maximum powerband performance.

[invaderzim]

Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

DON'T use the paddle shifters? why not?

I would think you would want to use them to eek out maximum powerband performance.

if I'm not mistaken the engine will shift itself once it hits the limits, no? both up and down?

[E.T.]

If you're going WOT, it's probably best to use sport mode and let the computer shift. Supposedly, it does a pretty good job.

If you are just playing around, tap shift is probably better because you can keep it in gear as long as you want. If you go easy on the throttle, the computer shifts fairly early (even in sport mode) and you'll end up in a high gear with less power.

[GEEKFREEKSCOTTY]

Originally Posted by E.T.

If you're going WOT, it's probably best to use sport mode and let the computer shift. Supposedly, it does a pretty good job.

If you are just playing around, tap shift is probably better because you can keep it in gear as long as you want. If you go easy on the throttle, the computer shifts fairly early (even in sport mode) and you'll end up in a high gear with less power.

For the last few days I've done my daily commute in exclusively paddle shift mode.. just so I can learn all about my car and get used to things.

A few things I noticed:
1: If you forget to shift UP, you'll hit the rev limiter and feel stupid.
2: As you decelerate to a stop, the transmission will automatically shift down for you to an appropriate gear.
3: If you have let the transmission downshift for you while you came to a stop, you'll be in 2nd gear.. and for normal driving, this gear is fine to take off from because
4: 1st gear seems very torquey.

I still feel that I'm not very smooth with paddle shifting yet, but I plan on doing it more so I can get used to it.

Also planning on a VMAX ported throttle body as I hear it helps with acceleration.

[invaderzim]

Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

For the last few days I've done my daily commute in exclusively paddle shift mode.. just so I can learn all about my car and get used to things.

A few things I noticed:
1: If you forget to shift UP, you'll hit the rev limiter and feel stupid.
2: As you decelerate to a stop, the transmission will automatically shift down for you to an appropriate gear.
3: If you have let the transmission downshift for you while you came to a stop, you'll be in 2nd gear.. and for normal driving, this gear is fine to take off from because
4: 1st gear seems very torquey.

I still feel that I'm not very smooth with paddle shifting yet, but I plan on doing it more so I can get used to it.

Also planning on a VMAX ported throttle body as I hear it helps with acceleration.

I think I see where you're confused. you still have some things to learn about your car i guess. sports mode and tap shift are different things. put your car on the m next time and don't touch the tap shifts. it should shift for you both up and down at a more agressive rpm than normal.

[SGOS252382]

L99 A6 is a low to mid 13s @ 104 - 106 mph car ( bone stock) depending on conditions. I watched a bone stock L99 A6 run 13.3 @ 105 mph in 85 degree heat (DA +2000 ft.) So the car isn't slow.

But be prepared to get mods if you're really into performance. I was not satisfied with my stock L99 A6. My stock L99 A6 felt a little suggish, but that's because I had a cammed + full bolt ons GTO before my Camaro.

What's great is the L99 A6 reponds extremely well to basic mods. I ran 12.9 @ 108 mph with just a tune. Intake, headers, and tune and I ran 12.5 @ 111 mph. Added some lighter weight 20" wheels and drag radials and ran 12.16 @ 114 mph. Got a converter and ran 12.10 @ 113 mph (in warmer weather).

So if you're not satisfied, plan on getting mods. I got my L99 A6 tuned within the first month of ownership (3 years ago).

[vroomapunk]

So, after 2000 miles, fuse pull, oil change, messing with Sport mode, traction control modes, I completely changed my mind, the car is enough of a beast, and I can melt the tires any time I want, without even using the break to get me going.

[joey0480]

Tune is where it is at. I notice a night and day difference with the shifting on mine since it was tuned (and the addition of LTs of course made a big difference).

[Xedes]

Well coming from a C6 LS3 A6 to my L99, this thing feels like a dog. Actually it feels like my car is having an asthma attack. It feels SO restricted and sluggish. I did the fuse thing and had an appointment to get a tune done but started getting the differential grinding the day I was going and decided to cancel the appointment until I had the car checked out.

I'm doing some appearance mods right now since they don't void warranties but once I hit 5k and the car feels solid, I plan in focusing all my attention to performance mods. The L99 has potential but out of the box it's a dog.

[DarkFox1]

Originally Posted by vroomapunk

So, after 2000 miles, fuse pull, oil change, messing with Sport mode, traction control modes, I completely changed my mind, the car is enough of a beast, and I can melt the tires any time I want, without even using the break to get me going.

What is this "sport mode" everyone is talking about?

I have 4k on my car. I'd say mine isn't quite a beast.. more like.. a housecat.

it has visions of grandeur in it's own mind, but when it's stacked against ANYTHING on the road.. it is at best an equal.

no fuse pull here. TBH I'm refusing to do it because I think its nonsense. After this long the car should learn the proper tables. Even then.. re-doing the tables would at BEST be 5FWHP difference.

I have some physical mods sitting in the garage, but I'm not sold on doing them yet. Shops want too much to install headers.

[vroomapunk]

Originally Posted by DarkFox1

What is this "sport mode" everyone is talking about?

I have 4k on my car. I'd say mine isn't quite a beast.. more like.. a housecat.

it has visions of grandeur in it's own mind, but when it's stacked against ANYTHING on the road.. it is at best an equal.

no fuse pull here. TBH I'm refusing to do it because I think its nonsense. After this long the car should learn the proper tables. Even then.. re-doing the tables would at BEST be 5FWHP difference.

I have some physical mods sitting in the garage, but I'm not sold on doing them yet. Shops want too much to install headers.

Why are you so against the fuse pull? If the octane tables need to be reset, just do it.

Either way, slide the shifter to "M", but dont touch the tap shifter controls, and it will be in sport mode, it holds gears longer, etc.

Put traction control in competitive mode, and those two things make a difference

[E.T.]

Sport mode is just putting the shifter in the "M" position. If you do this, and don't touch the paddles, the computer will shift for you, and the car feels more responsive.

You got nothing to lose by trying the fuse pull. An SS running on the wrong octane table is slower than the V6 Camaro.

The car is pretty mild in its stock form, due to a wimpy tune, AFM, and restricted exhaust (among other things). Mods are needed to unleash its true potential.

[DarkFox1]

Didn't know M meant anything other than allowing you to stay in manual gear mode. Will have to give that a try.

The fuse pull thing is just me being stubborn and defiant. Feels like an old wives tale to me. Maybe I'm not familiar with the gen IV ECU though.. I know somewhere down the line they went from 24x to 58x, and the clock speed in the ecu was increased? Not sure what other changes occurred, that may be where this is coming from and why it seems so foreign to me.

I mean I CAN make my L99 responsive in normal driving, but it takes some real flogging, it's not a naturally "fast" car as is.

I did find out the other day that the shifter paddles work even in Drive. Useful for passing. Don't have to gun it anymore!

[vroomapunk]

Originally Posted by DarkFox1

Didn't know M meant anything other than allowing you to stay in manual gear mode. Will have to give that a try.

The fuse pull thing is just me being stubborn and defiant. Feels like an old wives tale to me. Maybe I'm not familiar with the gen IV ECU though.. I know somewhere down the line they went from 24x to 58x, and the clock speed in the ecu was increased? Not sure what other changes occurred, that may be where this is coming from and why it seems so foreign to me.

I mean I CAN make my L99 responsive in normal driving, but it takes some real flogging, it's not a naturally "fast" car as is.

I did find out the other day that the shifter paddles work even in Drive. Useful for passing. Don't have to gun it anymore!

I agree with the wives tale thing, and I usually dont buy into it, but when stuff is free, I do it if it wont hurt. And putting it in M, you will see an S in the DIC, I think on the left.

I honestly didnt think that it would feel diff after fuse pull, break in, and oil change. Since I did them all at the same time, I cant pinpoint which did it, but the car definitely felt different after all of those, it felt like it just has more power, less effort to get up and go.

And it was much easier than my initial attempts to spin the tires.

[DarkFox1]

Tried S mode with tc and stabilitrak off tonight.

Severe difference, more RESPONSIVE but not more POWERFUL.

shows the car does have potential.

[E.T.]

Originally Posted by DarkFox1

Tried S mode with tc and stabilitrak off tonight.

Severe difference, more RESPONSIVE but not more POWERFUL.

shows the car does have potential.

Dude, do the fuse pull tonight, put them back in in the morning and see if it makes a difference

If that doesn't do anything, then mods are probably the way to go.

[The SwiftChancelor]

Yeah I've stomped it out of a turn and it will seem to not change gear and just rev up. Not exactly sure if that's what its doing.
Other than that if you think the L99 has no power tell that to..... uh, maybe get a tune or something.

[Padre]

The fuse pull is not something you can have an opinion about. It's not a wive's tale.

It is what it is, the way GM designed it. I could show you the innards of the tune where the tables switch and pull timing. But wiser people have already done all the work for you: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38964

I mean it's like having a poll: do you believe 2010 Camaro SS has a V8? You can't have an opinion about that. You're either right or wrong. You can't sit and pout and say "I just don't believe it..." You look silly when you do that.

Pull the d*mn fuse already and enjoy your car.

Padre

[E.T.]

Originally Posted by The SwiftChancelor

Yeah I've stomped it out of a turn and it will seem to not change gear and just rev up. Not exactly sure if that's what its doing.
Other than that if you think the L99 has no power tell that to..... uh, maybe get a tune or something.

This has happened to me too. It's like it should downshift another gear, but it won't, so you're stuck running out whatever gear you're in. One of the downsides of an auto, I suppose.

[Lee123]

Originally Posted by Padre

The fuse pull is not something you can have an opinion about. It's not a wive's tale.

It is what it is, the way GM designed it. I could show you the innards of the tune where the tables switch and pull timing. But wiser people have already done all the work for you: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38964

I mean it's like having a poll: do you believe 2010 Camaro SS has a V8? You can't have an opinion about that. You're either right or wrong. You can't sit and pout and say "I just don't believe it..." You look silly when you do that.

Pull the d*mn fuse already and enjoy your car.

Padre

Are you saying that GM intentionally designed the car so if you put one tank of bad gas in it you need to follow the fairly obscure procedure of pulling the 2 fuses in order to restore the performance? And the car never resets this without pulling the fuses? I'm not disputing what you say or trying to say the fuse pull never works. I just want to understand. If they did it on purpose it seems like a very strange design that would lead to a lot of folks going back to the dealer repeatedly or just driving around with poorly performing cars.

[Padre]

Originally Posted by Lee123

Are you saying that GM intentionally designed the car so if you put one tank of bad gas in it you need to follow the fairly obscure procedure of pulling the 2 fuses in order to restore the performance? And the car never resets this without pulling the fuses? I'm not disputing what you say or trying to say the fuse pull never works. I just want to understand. If they did it on purpose it seems like a very strange design that would lead to a lot of folks going back to the dealer repeatedly or just driving around with poorly performing cars.

Perhaps I should have said, "it's the way it IS designed". GM did intend the high/low octane performance. The need for pulling the fuse is because of a "glitch", or as some may say, a "feature".

Padre

[Lee123]

Originally Posted by Padre

Perhaps I should have said, "it's the way it IS designed". GM did intend the high/low octane performance. The need for pulling the fuse is because of a "glitch", or as some may say, a "feature".

Padre

Thanks. That makes it clearer. Too bad they can't fix it. One of those "mandatory updates" like BMW did to my last car every time they had it in the shop. It would be a little late for those of us with tunes but it would sure help a lot of other folks.

[DarkFox1]

Originally Posted by E.T.

Dude, do the fuse pull tonight, put them back in in the morning and see if it makes a difference

If that doesn't do anything, then mods are probably the way to go.

Not gonna do it.

Na I think mods are the way to go really. There's nothing tangible to be gained from computer programming, to make the engine perform better it has to have substance that allows it to do so.. more air, more fuel, more exhaust flow, the engine is a glorified air compressor.

Back in D this morning, SLUG MODE clearly. Interesting.. I was playing with it yesterday afternoon.. D, all nannies on. Gunned it from a stop, absolutely floored it at a stop sign, no spin AT ALL. Later I stomped it and went through a turn, again no spin.

Later that night, S mode, TC and ST off, spun tires in a parking lot pulling out of my space, and again out onto the road. Wasn't trying to spin either time.

It seems with the L99, the transmission programming SEVERELY curtails the car's performance by robbing it of power and working against the driver.

That's fine for a cruze.. but GM should know better for a PERFORMANCE CAR.

[E.T.]

Originally Posted by DarkFox1

Not gonna do it.

Na I think mods are the way to go really. There's nothing tangible to be gained from computer programming, to make the engine perform better it has to have substance that allows it to do so.. more air, more fuel, more exhaust flow, the engine is a glorified air compressor.

Back in D this morning, SLUG MODE clearly. Interesting.. I was playing with it yesterday afternoon.. D, all nannies on. Gunned it from a stop, absolutely floored it at a stop sign, no spin AT ALL. Later I stomped it and went through a turn, again no spin.

Later that night, S mode, TC and ST off, spun tires in a parking lot pulling out of my space, and again out onto the road. Wasn't trying to spin either time.

It seems with the L99, the transmission programming SEVERELY curtails the car's performance by robbing it of power and working against the driver.

That's fine for a cruze.. but GM should know better for a PERFORMANCE CAR.

Aww man, come on, you know you want to Seriously though, if you're on the low octane table, you're missing out!

I agree about the GM tune. Sometimes I wonder if they really wanted us to have a performance car. They add all these "features" like AFM, torque management, etc...then they put in gearing designed for economy rather than fun. Oh yeah, and then they made the car too heavy. Are they afraid we'd be giving 'vettes a run for their money or something? LOVE the car, but I really think it could've been designed to be a better performer from the factory.

"It seems with the L99, the transmission programming SEVERELY curtails the car's performance by robbing it of power and working against the driver."

A tune (esp. tranny tune) is great for the L99. If you end up doing that, you'll wake the car up, and you won't ever have to worry about the fuse pull