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Cpanthers85 · 05-10-2012, 03:16 PM

I am tearing into the Camaro to slap a EFORCE SC on and a LS9 Cam in (AFM/DOD Delete).

I was just talking to a local performance shop, and he told me that the 52lb injectors that come with the Eforce aren't going to be enough to support my Headers and CAI and a tune. He said the 52lb injectors are just enough for the stock Eforce kit on the stock car.

I am running the JRE Fuel Rail Upgrade Kit and a ZL1 Fuel Pump. I am also running a 3.5 Pulley.

If you need any other information, let me know.

But can someone (esp a vendor on here) please let me know what size injector I need to be running? Or if the stock 52lb will work fine...

I have no idea how to calculate it out and I don't want to slap the car on a dyno, to be told I need to run a 60lb injector, tear the car apart again, and have to pay twice for a dyno tune. any help in advance, I'd greatly appreciate it!

Camaro_Custom_Painted · 05-10-2012, 03:38 PM

The 52's are working fine for my EForce setup with LT headers and RotoFab intake.

yonson · 05-10-2012, 03:40 PM

With a LS3 you're gonna need at least 60's, with a L99 the 52's will be borderline, so if you are planning on stepping up the power any more you might as well do the bigger injectors now...

camslambam · 05-10-2012, 03:51 PM

Get bigger injectors. They might work fine but one can go lean, as happened to BullF16 and then eat your cylinder.

No reason not to upgrade.

BullF-16 · 05-10-2012, 04:09 PM

Upgrade to #65!!!!

JLE58 · 05-10-2012, 04:33 PM

What kind of horsepower are we talking about?

Cpanthers85 · 05-10-2012, 05:09 PM

Thanks for the replies. If my calculations serve me correctly, I am guessing between 550-600 to the wheels on a A6. I a not expecting big boost numbers because of the headers.

The biggest injector I see for the EForce is 60#

Crime2 · 05-10-2012, 05:58 PM

Look at the ID850's. They will cost you some cash but worth every dollar. Talk with Ted @ JRE and it will get you a good price.

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realcanuk · 05-10-2012, 06:05 PM

The 52's will be fine but if you add anything else you will need bigger. I have a very similar setup making 570 rwhp and never see over 85% idc.
That said I'm just got ID 850's that are going in next week only because I'm going to a smaller pulley.

Whipped416 · 05-10-2012, 06:22 PM

call eforce tell them to send u there 63 lb ... they should able to swap them for u ..
my whipple car with 63lb and worked great until i changed motors..

BullF-16 · 05-10-2012, 06:29 PM

You need 60# minimum for 600rwhp, or 720 crank hp on an A6. Again, do not skimp on fueling for a FI motor. I had 65# FAST injectors on 715 RWHP and lost my #5 piston top ringland....i beat the crap out of the motor though trying to break it....oh, i succeeded at that. Still drives fine, just blows lots of oil thru the breather.

fourmz · 05-10-2012, 10:17 PM

ID-850's are the way to go. Kinda spendy but worth it.

JLE58 · 05-10-2012, 10:36 PM

What worth it about a ID-850 id would like to know why even one think its worth it to spend twice as much.

sscamaro · 05-11-2012, 11:34 AM

I have similar mods as you, except mine is a manual. E-Force S/C w/52# injectors, Jannetty fuel rail upgrade, Kooks 1 7/8 LT headers. hi-flow cats and Roto-Fab CAI. After a dyno tune it was running out of fuel @ 6500 rpm. The tuner reduced the rev limiter to 6000. My tuner just installed 72# injectors. It isn't close to running out of fuel now and rev limiter is bsck up to 6500 rpm.

Cpanthers85 · 05-11-2012, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sscamaro

I have similar mods as you, except mine is a manual. E-Force S/C w/52# injectors, Jannetty fuel rail upgrade, Kooks 1 7/8 LT headers. hi-flow cats and Roto-Fab CAI. After a dyno tune it was running out of fuel @ 6500 rpm. The tuner reduced the rev limiter to 6000. My tuner just installed 72# injectors. It isn't close to running out of fuel now and rev limiter is bsck up to 6500 rpm.

I was hoping you'd chime in!

Where did you find 72# injectors for the Eforce?

sscamaro · 05-12-2012, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cpanthers85

I was hoping you'd chime in!

Where did you find 72# injectors for the Eforce?

I got them from my tuner.

05-10-2012, 03:16 PM	#1
Cpanthers85 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS RS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 418 View My Garage	Injector Expierenced Help. Please... I am tearing into the Camaro to slap a EFORCE SC on and a LS9 Cam in (AFM/DOD Delete). I was just talking to a local performance shop, and he told me that the 52lb injectors that come with the Eforce aren't going to be enough to support my Headers and CAI and a tune. He said the 52lb injectors are just enough for the stock Eforce kit on the stock car. I am running the JRE Fuel Rail Upgrade Kit and a ZL1 Fuel Pump. I am also running a 3.5 Pulley. If you need any other information, let me know. But can someone (esp a vendor on here) please let me know what size injector I need to be running? Or if the stock 52lb will work fine... I have no idea how to calculate it out and I don't want to slap the car on a dyno, to be told I need to run a 60lb injector, tear the car apart again, and have to pay twice for a dyno tune. any help in advance, I'd greatly appreciate it! __________________ 2011 2SS/RS L99 2009 Cobalt SS 1979 Z28 Mods: Kooks Long Tube Headers, RotoFaB EForce CAI, American Thunder Catback Exhaust, PFADT Stage 1 Drag Kit + Front Sway Bar, GM Strut Tower Bar. ZL1 Fuel Pump. Nitto NT05R. RX Catch Can.LS9 Cam and Springs.LS3 Conversion.JRE Fuel Rail Upgrade.Edelbrock Eforce.60# Eforce Injectors.Extreme Racing Tune. 523/495 MY BUILD THREAD

05-10-2012, 03:38 PM	#2
Camaro_Custom_Painted Choke on that causality! Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 504	The 52's are working fine for my EForce setup with LT headers and RotoFab intake. __________________ Edelbrock EForce - Stainless Works Headers - BMR Sways & Arms - Rotofab CAI - Assorted Interior, Exterior, Underhood Bling - Red Jewel Stripes & Full Body Clear - Lexani LX15 Wheels - JRE Fuel Rail Upgrade & Tune - Heartthrob XPipe - Elite Catch Can - Pedders Cradle & Front Arm Bushings - Hotchkis Strut Brace - MSD Wires - Whats Next?

05-10-2012, 05:09 PM	#7
Cpanthers85 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS RS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 418 View My Garage	Thanks for the replies. If my calculations serve me correctly, I am guessing between 550-600 to the wheels on a A6. I a not expecting big boost numbers because of the headers. The biggest injector I see for the EForce is 60# __________________ 2011 2SS/RS L99 2009 Cobalt SS 1979 Z28 Mods: Kooks Long Tube Headers, RotoFaB EForce CAI, American Thunder Catback Exhaust, PFADT Stage 1 Drag Kit + Front Sway Bar, GM Strut Tower Bar. ZL1 Fuel Pump. Nitto NT05R. RX Catch Can.LS9 Cam and Springs.LS3 Conversion.JRE Fuel Rail Upgrade.Edelbrock Eforce.60# Eforce Injectors.Extreme Racing Tune. 523/495 MY BUILD THREAD

05-10-2012, 05:58 PM	#8
Crime2 Got Boost? Drives: 2010 1SS RS Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 449	Look at the ID850's. They will cost you some cash but worth every dollar. Talk with Ted @ JRE and it will get you a good price. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. If is spelllled wrong deal with it. __________________

05-10-2012, 06:05 PM	#9
realcanuk Drives: 2007 Corvette C6 615 rwhp Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 294	The 52's will be fine but if you add anything else you will need bigger. I have a very similar setup making 570 rwhp and never see over 85% idc. That said I'm just got ID 850's that are going in next week only because I'm going to a smaller pulley. __________________ 2007 C6 vert, auto, F55, LT3 LME LS402 , WCCH 245 Heads, Pat G. Custom cam E Force SC, ARH 1 7/8 headers, cats and x-pipe, NPP with M2W 160 degree stat, Dual fans, Casper fan switch, 3.42 polished gears, hardened shafts, Alky control meth, Cartech line lock, ECS axle loops, Trans brace ID 850 injectors, 3.0 pulley, comp rockers, Morel lifters, BT springs, Trend 3/8 pushrods, ATI 10% OD Damper Circle D Triple Disc 2800 stall 724 RWHP @ 6500, 866 Lbs Torque @ 3700, Tuned by FEDERAL 10.42 @ 133 (on old build, new untested)

05-10-2012, 03:40 PM	#3
yonson Drives: where to begin... Join Date: May 2010 Location: MiSSiSSiPPi Posts: 26	With a LS3 you're gonna need at least 60's, with a L99 the 52's will be borderline, so if you are planning on stepping up the power any more you might as well do the bigger injectors now...

05-10-2012, 03:51 PM	#4
camslambam Account Suspended Drives: 2010 SS, 06 SRT10 Ram Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: C. America Posts: 1,668	Get bigger injectors. They might work fine but one can go lean, as happened to BullF16 and then eat your cylinder. No reason not to upgrade.

05-10-2012, 04:09 PM	#5
BullF-16 USAF retired! Thank God! Drives: 2011 1SS, 1LT red, 1LT/RS SGM Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: North Texas Posts: 1,791	Upgrade to #65!!!! __________________ HKE LSX427(Mast blk lbl 305 6bolt LS7heads, PatG231/246 blower cam, ARH LT s, Procharger D1SC, Squash dual 400LPH/ID1000s, ALKY 4 gal meth, AM AFR/Bst/oilpres/oiltemp gauges,SWretro3" exh, VMaxx TB, RX monsterCC. Pedders Justice road crs pkg: All HD bushes, supercar coil overs, supercar ZL1 sways, camber plates setup by JusticePete! :Gforce 9" 35spline S-Trac, 300M axles, 3.5"alum DS, MCLeod RXT clutch, 4xForgeline 19x10.5 4xBridgestone 305/30R19 RE-11, next CTS-v calipers/ZL1rotors/carbotech pads

05-10-2012, 04:33 PM	#6
JLE58 Drives: CGM,twin turbo, cam 2010 SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ROCKMART, GA Posts: 2,019	What kind of horsepower are we talking about?

05-10-2012, 06:22 PM	#10
Whipped416 Drives: 2010 CAMARO SS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,417 View My Garage	call eforce tell them to send u there 63 lb ... they should able to swap them for u .. my whipple car with 63lb and worked great until i changed motors.. __________________

05-10-2012, 06:29 PM	#11
BullF-16 USAF retired! Thank God! Drives: 2011 1SS, 1LT red, 1LT/RS SGM Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: North Texas Posts: 1,791	You need 60# minimum for 600rwhp, or 720 crank hp on an A6. Again, do not skimp on fueling for a FI motor. I had 65# FAST injectors on 715 RWHP and lost my #5 piston top ringland....i beat the crap out of the motor though trying to break it....oh, i succeeded at that. Still drives fine, just blows lots of oil thru the breather. __________________ HKE LSX427(Mast blk lbl 305 6bolt LS7heads, PatG231/246 blower cam, ARH LT s, Procharger D1SC, Squash dual 400LPH/ID1000s, ALKY 4 gal meth, AM AFR/Bst/oilpres/oiltemp gauges,SWretro3" exh, VMaxx TB, RX monsterCC. Pedders Justice road crs pkg: All HD bushes, supercar coil overs, supercar ZL1 sways, camber plates setup by JusticePete! :Gforce 9" 35spline S-Trac, 300M axles, 3.5"alum DS, MCLeod RXT clutch, 4xForgeline 19x10.5 4xBridgestone 305/30R19 RE-11, next CTS-v calipers/ZL1rotors/carbotech pads Last edited by BullF-16; 05-10-2012 at 08:42 PM.

05-10-2012, 10:17 PM	#12
fourmz Fourmz Drives: 2010 2SS/RS 1968 Firebird 1994 Z28 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Soldotna,Alaska Posts: 306	ID-850's are the way to go. Kinda spendy but worth it. __________________ Black-in-Black/Blue out 2010 2SS/RS LS-3 -Magnacharger TVS2300,OD cog belt drive, Janetty smooth idle blower cam,ID-850 injectors,ZL1 fuel pump,MSD boost a pump, Janetty custom tune,Doug Thorley long tube headers,Borla S Axle back,C.A.I. Intake, Roto-Fab Big Gulp Scoop, Scoop,Eibach pro kit plus, BMR cradle/diff bushings, Barton Shifter, Boss 339 20" wheels,Painted heritage grille, Sparks Restoration Inverted blue/black SS emblems, Seibon BB carbon fiber hood, ZL1 front bumper conversion.

05-10-2012, 10:36 PM	#13
JLE58 Drives: CGM,twin turbo, cam 2010 SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ROCKMART, GA Posts: 2,019	What worth it about a ID-850 id would like to know why even one think its worth it to spend twice as much.

05-11-2012, 11:34 AM	#14
sscamaro Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denver,PA Posts: 1,459	I have similar mods as you, except mine is a manual. E-Force S/C w/52# injectors, Jannetty fuel rail upgrade, Kooks 1 7/8 LT headers. hi-flow cats and Roto-Fab CAI. After a dyno tune it was running out of fuel @ 6500 rpm. The tuner reduced the rev limiter to 6000. My tuner just installed 72# injectors. It isn't close to running out of fuel now and rev limiter is bsck up to 6500 rpm. __________________ Ralph's Camaros 2010 2SS/RS Victory Red, MN6, 1-7/8 Kooks LT Headers, SLP Axle Back, Edelbrock E-Force S/C, ZL1 Fuel Pump, 72# Injectors, Roto-Fab CAI, Elite Catch Can, Hurst Shifter, DSS 1000HP axles, Spohn Trailing Arms, Toe Links, Lower Control Arms. 546/rwhp & 522/rwtq Tune by Jeremy Formato.