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BullF-16 · 05-13-2012, 04:44 PM

Just got an email from Dallas Performance who is installing my lsx427. We were going with triple DW300 pumps in a triple hat feeding ID1000s. He said he cant find any triple hats and Fore has discontinued them. Anyone know anybody that has one in stock?

I also mentioned that dual Walbro 400 pumps suck, here is is exact wording:

We have a camshaft we have been using for a while on all of our 427-441cid LS7 based engines that works really well. It's 24X/25X with .660/.660 lift and 116LSA. Have had no trouble making 1400whp on F2 blower with this camshaft. We also have tried it NA on stock LS7 and it makes excellent power. It works so well I have stopped trying new stuff. It just works awesome so no need to keep looking IMO. Has very good drivability and big lope as well. I keep a few of these cams in stock now.

We use a Fuelab boost referenced 1:1 regulator. I recenetly was forced to try the twin Walbro 405lph pumps in a new Camaro and I am confidant that those pumps suck at higher pressure. I was not able to find the triple pump CNC hat anywhere and Fore said they discontinued it. So unless we can find you a triple hat from someone, we may need to go with ID2000's and run the 405lph pumps at a much lower base pressure where the pump flows a lot more.

Maybe you can find a triple pump hat somewhere?

So, any recommendations oh what setup to use if we cant get a triple hat. I dont think i like the 405pumps at lower pressures and ID2000s does not sound optimum, at least he (Taylor Sims) does not think so.

he also said he can custom build one for me in a subsequent email or could run a surge tank.

JLE58 · 05-13-2012, 04:55 PM

How much hp are we talking here bull?

HufferSS · 05-13-2012, 05:04 PM

The twin 405s work fine in my car with 1600 injectors. Twin 405s outflow the triple setup according to FORE.....which is probably why they killed the triple hat.

BullF-16 · 05-13-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JLE58

How much hp are we talking here bull?

Initially about 800whp with the D1SC then about 1000 with the F1X in about a year.

I could save money in the long run with the twin 405 and ID2000 injectors, if they work well with the smaller D1 blower.

blake-b · 05-13-2012, 06:11 PM

Hey Bull,
How come you aren't considering the aeromotive eliminator (PN 18674). Their site says it will support 1400 HP at the flywheel. I am just curious is all. There is also Lonnie's Performance triple pumper which is also good for up to 1500RWHP...

Just throwing some options at you if you haven't considered them.

jrpxxii · 05-13-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blake-b

Hey Bull,
How come you aren't considering the aeromotive eliminator (PN 18674). Their site says it will support 1400 HP at the flywheel. I am just curious is all. There is also Lonnie's Performance triple pumper which is also good for up to 1500RWHP...

Just throwing some options at you if you haven't considered them.

Im guessing because the Aeromotive pumps are loud. The triple hat drops in tank like stock and operates silently. I am running 2 Magnafuel 750 pumps and they are actually much quieter than the Aeromotive pumps and 1 pump will hold up to 2200hp n/a or 1300hp forced induction.

BullF-16 · 05-13-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blake-b

Hey Bull,
How come you aren't considering the aeromotive eliminator (PN 18674). Their site says it will support 1400 HP at the flywheel. I am just curious is all. There is also Lonnie's Performance triple pumper which is also good for up to 1500RWHP...

Just throwing some options at you if you haven't considered them.

I have been looking at the eliminator. I will call Dallas performance and talk to Taylor about this pump. I had an email correspondence with Lonnie and he told me to give him a call, which i will also do this week.

Dallas Performance's Taylor is a master fabricator and he emailed me and said if we cant find a Fore triple he could make one. Wonder what that will cost me?

jrpxxii · 05-13-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BullF-16

Wonder what that will cost me?

ALOT

SRT10KLLR · 05-13-2012, 06:34 PM

Have you considered the triple pump system from Lonnie's?

I installed that kit a couple months ago and so far have taken it into 750rwhp/800tq and still had plenty of fuel left. It is good to 1500rwhp.

It utilizes your existing pump plus two more Walbro 255's. For DD the stock pump is the only one one but when you hit 4psi then second pump turn on then at 7psi the third pump turns on.

You can also try the Squash setup with the DW pumps instead of the Walbro 400lph units of your guy doesn't like them or even the Walbro 255's for that mater. With two of the smaller 255's you could still run about 1000rwhp. More with the DW300's and even more the the 400lph ones.

Aeromotive also has an in-tank 340 stealth pump you could use.

lexlueger · 05-13-2012, 06:34 PM

I run that A1000 and it is loud as hell! In a car with 1000 hp I highly doubt you'll hear a pump over all DEM PONIES!!

BullF-16 · 05-13-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jrpxxii

Im guessing because the Aeromotive pumps are loud. The triple hat drops in tank like stock and operates silently. I am running 2 Magnafuel 750 pumps and they are actually much quieter than the Aeromotive pumps and 1 pump will hold up to 2200hp n/a or 1300hp forced induction.

How loud can it be? My car with the SW retro 3" exhaust is pretty obnoxious, I dont think the pump noise would be bothersome at all. I just have not looked at anything else because i thought my fuel system was taken care of then i get the email on Sat about not being able to get the fore triple hat.

Jason, those magna fuel pumps look sweet. So do you think i could get by on one feeding ID1000 injectors. running the D1SC to get some use out of it, then upping to the F1X at a later date. I could then add a second pump and the ID2000s.

ls7camaro · 05-13-2012, 06:53 PM

I am selling mine. Not due to any defects, just decided to go with an aeromotive pump. Maybe 400 miles on the system.

JLE58 · 05-13-2012, 07:10 PM

Those magna fuel pumps won't run hot on the street Jason?

Whipped416 · 05-13-2012, 07:12 PM

check out lonnies performance he makes an awesome triple.

BullF-16 · 05-13-2012, 07:15 PM

I'm looking a couple options here. It looks like the Aeromotive eliminator can also be a drop in style and support up to 1400hp. I will talk to Taylor about this option.

I will call Lonnies and talk about the triple. From the website, it looks like you need to send your tank in for this kit? is this correct?

Whipped416 · 05-13-2012, 07:18 PM

i believe so .. i went with the double since its good for 1000 rwhp.. my builder swears by lonnies products and said he has never had any issues with any of them.. He also makes a lot of pumps for big name companies that go and resale as there own..

blake-b · 05-13-2012, 07:42 PM

I have talked to Lonnie in the past. He is more than willing to work with you. He also won't let you buy anything you don't need.

SRT10KLLR · 05-13-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BullF-16

I'm looking a couple options here. It looks like the Aeromotive eliminator can also be a drop in style and support up to 1400hp. I will talk to Taylor about this option.

I will call Lonnies and talk about the triple. From the website, it looks like you need to send your tank in for this kit? is this correct?

I bought a double pumper from Lonnie's for a friend and you don't have to send in anything but for the triple you have to send the whole gas tank because he adds the other two pumps to it. The triple one I used on the Orange camaro in my sig because we did not want to switch later if the goals went up past 1000rwhp.

His double pumper is good to 1000rwhp.

jrpxxii · 05-13-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BullF-16

How loud can it be? My car with the SW retro 3" exhaust is pretty obnoxious, I dont think the pump noise would be bothersome at all. I just have not looked at anything else because i thought my fuel system was taken care of then i get the email on Sat about not being able to get the fore triple hat.

Jason, those magna fuel pumps look sweet. So do you think i could get by on one feeding ID1000 injectors. running the D1SC to get some use out of it, then upping to the F1X at a later date. I could then add a second pump and the ID2000s.

If you have never heard one before you will be shocked at how loud a pump can be. Yes 1 pump will cover you even if you get the F1X. 1 pump would cover my setup and the only reason I need 2 is for when I will be running the nitrous kit.

jrpxxii · 05-13-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JLE58

Those magna fuel pumps won't run hot on the street Jason?

This is the exact reason I went with the Magnafuel pumps is they actually run cooler on the street and are much quieter.

JLE58 · 05-13-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jrpxxii

This is the exact reason I went with the Magnafuel pumps is they actually run cooler on the street and are much quieter.

Awesome sounds good.

blake-b · 05-13-2012, 09:20 PM

Jason, which magnafuel pump are you running? I cannot access facebook at work and am wondering if you are running a fuel cell.

JLE58 · 05-13-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blake-b

Jason, which magnafuel pump are you running? I cannot access facebook at work and am wondering if you are running a fuel cell.

Yes he is. I bet he is running the pro tuner Mp 4301 if I had to guess.

jrpxxii · 05-13-2012, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blake-b

Jason, which magnafuel pump are you running? I cannot access facebook at work and am wondering if you are running a fuel cell.

I am actually running 2 of the Magnafuel mp-4303 pumps and yes I am running a fuel cell.

JLE58 · 05-13-2012, 09:56 PM

I like the way you think Jason!

05-13-2012, 04:44 PM	#1
BullF-16 USAF retired! Thank God! Drives: 2011 1SS, 1LT red, 1LT/RS SGM Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: North Texas Posts: 1,831	Need a Fore triple hat! Just got an email from Dallas Performance who is installing my lsx427. We were going with triple DW300 pumps in a triple hat feeding ID1000s. He said he cant find any triple hats and Fore has discontinued them. Anyone know anybody that has one in stock? I also mentioned that dual Walbro 400 pumps suck, here is is exact wording: We have a camshaft we have been using for a while on all of our 427-441cid LS7 based engines that works really well. It's 24X/25X with .660/.660 lift and 116LSA. Have had no trouble making 1400whp on F2 blower with this camshaft. We also have tried it NA on stock LS7 and it makes excellent power. It works so well I have stopped trying new stuff. It just works awesome so no need to keep looking IMO. Has very good drivability and big lope as well. I keep a few of these cams in stock now. We use a Fuelab boost referenced 1:1 regulator. I recenetly was forced to try the twin Walbro 405lph pumps in a new Camaro and I am confidant that those pumps suck at higher pressure. I was not able to find the triple pump CNC hat anywhere and Fore said they discontinued it. So unless we can find you a triple hat from someone, we may need to go with ID2000's and run the 405lph pumps at a much lower base pressure where the pump flows a lot more. Maybe you can find a triple pump hat somewhere? So, any recommendations oh what setup to use if we cant get a triple hat. I dont think i like the 405pumps at lower pressures and ID2000s does not sound optimum, at least he (Taylor Sims) does not think so. he also said he can custom build one for me in a subsequent email or could run a surge tank. __________________ HKE LSX427(Mast blk lbl 305 6bolt LS7heads, PatG231/246 blower cam, ARH LT s, Procharger D1SC, Squash dual 400LPH/ID1000s, ALKY 4 gal meth, AM AFR/Bst/oilpres/oiltemp gauges,SWretro3" exh, VMaxx TB, RX monsterCC. Pedders Justice road crs pkg: All HD bushes, supercar 12kg coil overs, supercar ZL1 sways, camber plates setup by JusticePete! :Gforce 9" 35spline S-Trac, 300M axles, 3.5"alum DS, MCLeod RXT clutch, 4xForgeline 19x10.5 4xBridgestone 305/30R19 RE-11, next CTS-v calipers/ZL1rotors/carbotech pads

05-13-2012, 05:04 PM	#3
HufferSS I Wanna Go Faster!! Drives: 2011 2SS Synergy Green M6 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: SC Posts: 3,339	The twin 405s work fine in my car with 1600 injectors. Twin 405s outflow the triple setup according to FORE.....which is probably why they killed the triple hat. __________________ Built by Vengeance Racing 9.31@154.81 mph Procharger F1-X RPM Level 7 4L80e + Coan Converter Hendrix 9" Rear Axle + 3.50 Gear ARH 2" LTs+3.5" Exhaust Fore Fuel System, Bogarts + Hoosier Slicks Pfadt Drag Pack Suspension My Build Thread \| Best Pass To Date

05-13-2012, 06:34 PM	#9
SRT10KLLR Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Down South Posts: 1,430	Have you considered the triple pump system from Lonnie's? I installed that kit a couple months ago and so far have taken it into 750rwhp/800tq and still had plenty of fuel left. It is good to 1500rwhp. It utilizes your existing pump plus two more Walbro 255's. For DD the stock pump is the only one one but when you hit 4psi then second pump turn on then at 7psi the third pump turns on. You can also try the Squash setup with the DW pumps instead of the Walbro 400lph units of your guy doesn't like them or even the Walbro 255's for that mater. With two of the smaller 255's you could still run about 1000rwhp. More with the DW300's and even more the the 400lph ones. Aeromotive also has an in-tank 340 stealth pump you could use. __________________ 2005 Dodge Ram 2500 RCSB Thunder Road Hemi Sport w/STS Turbo 2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 - Silver - Stock 2003 Chevy 1500 RCSB Stepside 400SS - 408 in now awaiting Turbo

05-13-2012, 06:34 PM	#10
lexlueger Drives: V10 BMW M5, Supercharged 2SS/RS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Charlotte NC /Brooklyn NY Posts: 2,055	I run that A1000 and it is loud as hell! In a car with 1000 hp I highly doubt you'll hear a pump over all DEM PONIES!! __________________ MAST 416 STROKER: RDS STAGE 3 TVS 2300 TICK PERFORMANCE CUSTOM CAM TPIS 102 TB IW 8 RIB PULLEY W/ OD COG REARS NX EXPRESS NITROUS KIT CMGS METHANOL INJECTION KDI HEAT EXCHANGER CIRCLE D 2800 TCFLEX PLATE /ADM TRANS COOLER DSS DRIVESHAFT/1400 HP AXLES LPE 3.70 GEARS/JRE POSI MOD DYNATECH HEADERS/MAGNAFLOW EXHAUST/ TEST PIPES SQUASH RETURN STYLE E85 FS/ID 850's BMR/EIBACH SUSPENSION Killing mustangs,because the good Lord wants me to

05-13-2012, 07:12 PM	#14
Whipped416 Drives: 2010 CAMARO SS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,458 View My Garage	check out lonnies performance he makes an awesome triple. __________________

05-13-2012, 04:55 PM	#2
JLE58 Drives: CGM,twin turbo, cam 2010 SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ROCKMART, GA Posts: 2,077	How much hp are we talking here bull?

05-13-2012, 06:11 PM	#5
blake-b Drives: Black 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 1,024	Hey Bull, How come you aren't considering the aeromotive eliminator (PN 18674). Their site says it will support 1400 HP at the flywheel. I am just curious is all. There is also Lonnie's Performance triple pumper which is also good for up to 1500RWHP... Just throwing some options at you if you haven't considered them.

05-13-2012, 06:53 PM	#12
ls7camaro Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: PA Posts: 359	I am selling mine. Not due to any defects, just decided to go with an aeromotive pump. Maybe 400 miles on the system.

05-13-2012, 07:10 PM	#13
JLE58 Drives: CGM,twin turbo, cam 2010 SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ROCKMART, GA Posts: 2,077	Those magna fuel pumps won't run hot on the street Jason?

05-13-2012, 07:15 PM	#15
BullF-16 USAF retired! Thank God! Drives: 2011 1SS, 1LT red, 1LT/RS SGM Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: North Texas Posts: 1,831	I'm looking a couple options here. It looks like the Aeromotive eliminator can also be a drop in style and support up to 1400hp. I will talk to Taylor about this option. I will call Lonnies and talk about the triple. From the website, it looks like you need to send your tank in for this kit? is this correct? __________________ HKE LSX427(Mast blk lbl 305 6bolt LS7heads, PatG231/246 blower cam, ARH LT s, Procharger D1SC, Squash dual 400LPH/ID1000s, ALKY 4 gal meth, AM AFR/Bst/oilpres/oiltemp gauges,SWretro3" exh, VMaxx TB, RX monsterCC. Pedders Justice road crs pkg: All HD bushes, supercar 12kg coil overs, supercar ZL1 sways, camber plates setup by JusticePete! :Gforce 9" 35spline S-Trac, 300M axles, 3.5"alum DS, MCLeod RXT clutch, 4xForgeline 19x10.5 4xBridgestone 305/30R19 RE-11, next CTS-v calipers/ZL1rotors/carbotech pads

05-13-2012, 07:18 PM	#16
Whipped416 Drives: 2010 CAMARO SS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,458 View My Garage	i believe so .. i went with the double since its good for 1000 rwhp.. my builder swears by lonnies products and said he has never had any issues with any of them.. He also makes a lot of pumps for big name companies that go and resale as there own.. __________________

05-13-2012, 07:42 PM	#17
blake-b Drives: Black 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 1,024	I have talked to Lonnie in the past. He is more than willing to work with you. He also won't let you buy anything you don't need.

05-13-2012, 09:20 PM	#22
blake-b Drives: Black 2010 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 1,024	Jason, which magnafuel pump are you running? I cannot access facebook at work and am wondering if you are running a fuel cell.

05-13-2012, 09:56 PM	#25
JLE58 Drives: CGM,twin turbo, cam 2010 SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ROCKMART, GA Posts: 2,077	I like the way you think Jason!