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Old 05-14-2012, 11:02 AM   #1
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Will this void the warranty?

If i install headers on my 2012 camaro, will it void the facoty warranty
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:15 AM   #2
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The 2012 Camaro w/ the LFX (V6) motor does not have headers.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:16 AM   #3
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He has an SS, it shouldn't void you'r warranty. But you'd want to tune so that voids your warranty.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:18 AM   #4
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My dealer honors my tune, honestly It's unfair to just assume they won't warranty it. Call your dealer, tell them who's doing the work and how long they have been in business as well as how reputable they are. If your dealers SM is cool he will let it slide.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:23 AM   #5
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He has an SS
Would've helped if I noticed that prior to posting.

To the OP, it is up to your dealer on whether or not they will void your warranty for installing headers. I would ask them.

My dealership would void my warranty for messing with the headers and/or cats or anything major (cams, tune, forced induction, etc).
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:25 AM   #6
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My dealer has told me they will honor my warranty with headers.

It's different for every dealer. You'll have to ask yours. If you let them do the install they might.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:25 AM   #7
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Is it worth to tune the car without putting the headers on? Arent there some tuners that you can reset back to factory settings so the dealer wouldnt know
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:25 AM   #8
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Only void the warranty if you get your ECM tuned my friend.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:26 AM   #9
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Bowite... I have the same axleback that you do and removed the resonators after reading your comments a while back, and you were right...it sounds amazing
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:35 AM   #10
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The dealer does not warranty your cars guys. They do the work for the warranty, but they submit a warranty due bill to corporate that pays the dealership for labor and parts.

If you toss a rod on that "warranted by your dealer" tuned car, the ECM is likely going to be required to be dumped and sent to mama gm for a look-see. Then, you will find that your warranty for the drive train is toast. Your dealer just provides the service of performing the warranty work for mama GM, so long as mama picks up the $15,000 cost of labor and parts.

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Old 05-14-2012, 12:32 PM   #11
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Is it worth to tune the car without putting the headers on? Arent there some tuners that you can reset back to factory settings so the dealer wouldnt know
On the V6 yes the tune can be returned to stock and go unnoticed. On the V8 it can be returned to stock BUT the dealer will see previous tunes.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:36 PM   #12
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The dealer does not warranty your cars guys. They do the work for the warranty, but they submit a warranty due bill to corporate that pays the dealership for labor and parts.

If you toss a rod on that "warranted by your dealer" tuned car, the ECM is likely going to be required to be dumped and sent to mama gm for a look-see. Then, you will find that your warranty for the drive train is toast. Your dealer just provides the service of performing the warranty work for mama GM, so long as mama picks up the $15,000 cost of labor and parts.

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Old 05-14-2012, 12:52 PM   #13
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My dealer honors my tune, honestly It's unfair to just assume they won't warranty it. Call your dealer, tell them who's doing the work and how long they have been in business as well as how reputable they are. If your dealers SM is cool he will let it slide.
If they are performing drivetrain repairs on tuned cars then submitting it as waranty work and claiming reimbursement from GM, they are not reputable.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:09 PM   #14
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If they are performing drivetrain repairs on tuned cars then submitting it as waranty work and claiming reimbursement from GM, they are not reputable.
Not necessarily true, sir. If the tune caused the malfunction that's one thing, but if the warranty work is on say the radiator or the radio or something, why not honor the warranty? And if it's on the drivetrain (for example, the water pump is now covered under the warranty) then GM carries the burden of proof that the tuner caused the malfunction. What if the tune had nothing to do with it, kwim?
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:21 PM   #15
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Not necessarily true, sir. If the tune caused the malfunction that's one thing, but if the warranty work is on say the radiator or the radio or something, why not honor the warranty? And if it's on the drivetrain (for example, the water pump is now covered under the warranty) then GM carries the burden of proof that the tuner caused the malfunction. What if the tune had nothing to do with it, kwim?

NOT True ... If the car's ECM has been modified, the owner has broke the service contract with GM, and they no longer have to honor it. Sorry but that is the way it really is.
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Old 05-14-2012, 02:06 PM   #16
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You open the door for any dealer to deny warranty service by doing this.
Just that simple.
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Old 05-14-2012, 02:41 PM   #17
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You open the door for any dealer to deny warranty service by doing this.
Just that simple.
And therefore just that depressing. :(

Oh well, I'm sticking with my warranty, not risking it.
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Old 05-14-2012, 03:31 PM   #18
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Not necessarily true, sir. If the tune caused the malfunction that's one thing, but if the warranty work is on say the radiator or the radio or something, why not honor the warranty? And if it's on the drivetrain (for example, the water pump is now covered under the warranty) then GM carries the burden of proof that the tuner caused the malfunction. What if the tune had nothing to do with it, kwim?
I did say "drivetrain". So my point is, if the dealer is "reputable", he heeds the warranty boundaries as set my its employer (car manufacturer), right? A tune affects how the drivetrain parts have been designed to all work together and factory set parameters ensure that the customer will have a long lasting and well performing car. To your point, if the radio breaks, and no aftermarket product has been added to the system, it should be covered under warranty, an ECM tune has no bearing on why or how it failed. The water pump on the other hand, well, a fair dealer may just fix it under warranty without bothering with checking the ECM. Something more costly will invite closer scrutiny and approval from GM...and when that happens, its bye bye warranty.
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Old 05-14-2012, 03:46 PM   #19
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Keep your warranty OP. Save for the day it expires and go nuts! This can be an expensive....... toy, so to speak
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:42 PM   #20
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According to my delear when you mess with anything that changes the Displacememt or power output of the motor you void your warranty. GM makes exceptions for the minor things like a CAI and exhaust as long as you don't mess with the cats. This came from my delears service manager
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:44 PM   #21
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GM carries the burden of proof that the tuner caused the malfunction. What if the tune had nothing to do with it, kwim?
Here is how your supposed burden of proof works outside of fantasy land....

They decide to void a part or all of your warranty. You feel like you were done wrong and that the field service engineer that voided you was wrong. Your correct that you may engage in battle over this, but this battle with GM will be in court with paid lawyers. You will need to hire your own lawyer to fight this, and you will likely not win. If you by chance win your warranty back.... And this is a miniscule chance... Your out the thousands you paid the lawyer and the time you spent fighting this.

There is no other truth but this. You can read internet lure all day long about burden of truth, but they have the contracts, the disclaimers, and the unending finances to fight your abuse our modification denial, and they will have tangible proof from your ECM or other. You will have your sad story and a dream of beating "the man".

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