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Old 05-15-2012, 05:03 AM   #1
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New to the wash, am I doing this right??

Hey everyone,

I have never really washed cars with anything more than just plain car soap.

Recently I have purchased the following products as I want to give my new 2011 Camaro the works since the previous owner really let it go bad!

1.) http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4823

2.) http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4579

3.) http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4600

I just want to know what does everyone here think of these? As well, are these good enough quality products in terms of what they do?

And finally, most important of all, what are the proper steps for how I will use these products on my new baby?

Is it wash, clay, wax? and can I hand wax the car using the foam applicator that the wax came with?? Or do I need one of those machines?
I would prefer to do everything by hand.

Also, I am wondering when I clay the car do I wash the clay between uses - like in water? Or do I just keep folding it over?? And when will I know when a piece of clay should be thrown out? I mean when do I know that the piece of clay is too dirty to use? is there anyway to clean clay? and how many uses would one bar give me?

Basically if people could take me through all of the steps I need to do that would be fantastic!!!!!

Any tips would be more than greatly appreciated!!
Please help a newbie!!
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:45 AM   #2
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for the best trouble finish......the basics are like this:

Wash the car......then clay it......wash it again......then polish it.......then wax it.

as far as the clay goes, just fold it over and go, no, you don't not have to wash it. the most important thing about clay.....is if you EVER drop it and hits the ground....TRASH IT.
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Hey,

Thanks a lot for the reply!!

So for a car polish something like this?

http://www.meguiars.com/en/automotiv...timate-polish/

I have one more silly-noob question!

When applying polish and wax what kind of applicators do I use?? Can I just go to the store and buy any sponge applicator I see?? Or are they specifically designed for each one??
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Just remember.....don't get confused......a lot of people use the terms POLISH and WAX interchangably.....they are NOT the same thing.

a POLISH is a VERY FINE abrasive that does exactly what the name implys....it POLISHES the surfact of the paint to make it more SHINEY.

a WAX is a layer of protection and seals the surface from contaminants.

If the product you are wanting to use comes with an applicator....use it, thats what its designed for, and keep it clean, if it doesn't come with one, look on the product, and on the lable it will tell you should use. Whatever it is, ensure you use what is recommended, and use something that is high quality.
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If you're really looking for that extra pop in shine, I would recommend sealant and glaze before your wax in addition to what Sir Nuke has recommended. 1st Sealant to protect, glaze second to shine. Make some time though, it's probably something you can get done in a weekend, but probably not a day unless you're a pro.
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Hey everyone,

I have never really washed cars with anything more than just plain car soap.

Recently I have purchased the following products as I want to give my new 2011 Camaro the works since the previous owner really let it go bad!

1.) http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4823

2.) http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4579

3.) http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4600

I just want to know what does everyone here think of these? As well, are these good enough quality products in terms of what they do?

And finally, most important of all, what are the proper steps for how I will use these products on my new baby?

Is it wash, clay, wax? and can I hand wax the car using the foam applicator that the wax came with?? Or do I need one of those machines?
I would prefer to do everything by hand.

Also, I am wondering when I clay the car do I wash the clay between uses - like in water? Or do I just keep folding it over?? And when will I know when a piece of clay should be thrown out? I mean when do I know that the piece of clay is too dirty to use? is there anyway to clean clay? and how many uses would one bar give me?

Basically if people could take me through all of the steps I need to do that would be fantastic!!!!!

Any tips would be more than greatly appreciated!!
Please help a newbie!!

First read this thread: 5 Step Guild to Paint Care-Camaro5


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I have never really washed cars with anything more than just plain car soap.

Recently I have purchased the following products as I want to give my new 2011 Camaro the works since the previous owner really let it go bad!

The products you have selected are fine. Meguiar's, despite the opinions of some vendor representitives, makes exceptional products.

In fact I used nothing but Meguiar's products to achieve phenomenal results on this detail: Bugatti Veyron Super Sport Detail-Camaro5


At Autopia we sell over 60 brands of premium car care products, and while many people become passionate about their favorite brands, one thing I can tell you from experience as a high-end professional detailer and now as a company representative, there is no such thing as the best. It is always a matter of personal preference, and a brand that may be exceptionally popular on one forum may have little-to-no following on a different forum. Take the CorvetteForum for example. Over there they love BLACKFIRE and Pinnacle products. Nobody is right or wrong.

When it comes to maintaining a quality paint finish, process and technique are far more important than product selection!

Here is a copy and paste from an article I authored on proper washing technique:


You've spent plenty of money on the purchase of your car or truck, now the question arises, “How do I take care of it?” Proper washing is one of the most overlooked and misunderstood areas of auto care, and sadly improper washing damages and dulls your vehicle's finish over time.

If you take a second and look at the cars around you in a parking lot, or even at a car show, in the direct sunlight you will notice many of the cars have a scratched surface. These microscopic scratches seem to radiate outward in a “cob-web” effect from a central light source like the reflection of the sun. Many of the swirl marks are the result of improper washing and drying techniques. They are caused when grit is abraded against the paint's surface.

Much has been written on how to properly maintain a vehicles appearance and while most of the tips in this article certainly aren’t new, perhaps they may help you think about things in a different light.

Vehicle enthusiasts range from those who religiously wash or quick detail their vehicles daily, to those who love caring for their vehicle but only get the chance to wash them weekly or bi-weekly. Both categories of enthusiasts cringe at the very thought of taking their car or truck to a car wash, otherwise known as “automatic swirl factories”. In this article we hope to give you some ideas and tips that will help you maintain your vehicles appearance and teach you ways to avoid, or at least minimize creating swirl marks.


Car Wash Shampoo

Car wash shampoos have come a long way since their introduction to the automotive detailing market. There was a time when we all just grabbed dish soap and went to work but those days are long gone. Dish soap is designed to eat away grease and food and while it works great for dishes but we need to keep it in the kitchen! The same attributes that break down the grease on dishes will strip your car wax and dry out your plastic moldings and rubber seals!

Some of the factors that establish a great car wash shampoo like BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Conditioning Shampoo are foaming ability, lubricity, pH balance, concentration, gentleness and even gloss enhancers. High quality car wash shampoos will clean a car’s surface, enhance the gloss and leave the car wax, paint protectant or paint sealant intact to protect your paint. Generic car wash shampoos that you could purchase in bulk at a clearance or discount stores lack many of the attributes of the higher quality car wash shampoos. You will also find that the cost of the bottle of car wash shampoo does not necessarily mean it is less expensive. The high end car wash shampoos like the P21S Bodywork Conditioning Shampoo or Ultima Paint Guard Wash tend to cost more per ounce but they are also more concentrated so if you do the math, you may find that you are actually getting a better deal with a premium car wash shampoo.

All car wash shampoo's carried by Autopia are tested and of the highest quality. If you are not sure which shampoo will work best for you it is often advisable to stick with the same brand that your car wax or sealant is. If your paint is protected with BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection then use BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Conditioning Shampoo, if your paint is protected with a fine coat of P21S Concours Carnuaba Wax than P21S Bodywork Conditioning Shampoo is a great choice. If you still cannot decided give Autopia Car Care a call at 1-877-855-3125 and let our experts choose for you!


Car Wash Mitts

Ask a group of car enthusiasts which company makes better car or truck? Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge, Honda, Toyota, Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche or Audi? You will get a variety of different answers; everyone has his or her opinion! To say that everyone has a favorite is an understatement yet there are some basic fundamentals that make an item one of the best for its intended purpose.

Wash mitts can be microfiber style (both short nap and the longer fuzzy monster looking type), sponges, synthetic and genuine sheepskin. The Sheepskin Wash Mitt is a great choice: They are soft, hold lots of water and car wash shampoo and they rinse cleanly. Natural Sea Sponges are some of the softest material known to man and hold a large volume of water and soap solution. The Lake Country ULTI-MITT is made from a super soft foam that is gentle to your paint and rinses easily. You want to avoid shop rags, old t-shirts, and beach towels as the nap, or thickness of these items is so small that you can easily exert too much force onto the wash surface and inadvertently push surface dirt around instilling “washing swirls.” Also, these wash “rags” do not release trapped dirt as easily. The thicker mitts offer room for dirt to hide that is away from your car until your mitt is rinsed.

If you are washing a larger vehicle such as an RV or boat, or prefer using a brush instead of a wash mitt, then stay clear of nylon bristled brushes that will quickly damage, dull, and scratch paint! Montana Brand Boar's Hair Brushes features hand selected and feathered boar's hair. Once soaked in your wash solution for several minutes these hairs become amazingly soft. The Montana Boar's Hair Brushes hold an incredible volume of soap solution and make cleaning larger areas easy.


Car Wash Buckets

In choosing a bucket you generally have two choices, 5 gallon or 3.5 gallon. Usually the 3.5 gallon is just too small to get the job done with plenty of fresh car wash solution but with water weighing 8.35 pounds per gallon it is difficult to lug the 5 gallon bucket around your car. The solution is the BLACKFIRE 5 Gallon Wash Bucket System with Dolly! This bucket will make it much easier to quickly wash your entire car. It even comes with a lid so you can store your car wash shampoo, mitt and brushes right inside the bucket to keep them handy for the next wash.

When it comes to swirl free washing, one of the greatest ideas to come along is the two bucket method of car washing. As the name implies you use two separate buckets to wash your car. One bucket holds the soapy car wash solution and the other holds clean, clear rinse water so you can rinse your mitt after each pass over your car. This keeps those dirt particles you just picked up on the surface from going back into the clean car wash solution and being picked up again by the wash mitt.


This brings us to the next topic….Grit Guard® Inserts. If you aren’t using them…you should be!!! The Grit Guard® Inserts is a round plastic insert grate that sits on the bottom of your bucket suspended from the bottom by four lateral fins. Dirt from your wash mitt drops to the bottom of the bucket and is kept at the bottom of the bucket, ensuring that your wash mitt doesn’t pick up the dirt you just washed off of the car. When you finish washing your car and lift the Grit Guard® Insert up and you will see how well it works. The Grit Guard® Insert should be used in both the wash and rinse buckets for optimum protection against instilling swirl marks. The Grit Guard® Insert comes with the handy Sonus Professional Car Wash Bucket on Wheels and the BLACKFIRE 5 Gallon Wash Bucket System With Dolly.


Hose Nozzles

Yes, even your hose nozzle is an important part of your car wash procedure. There is nothing like trying to wash your car with an inadequate or leaky hose nozzle. The Fire Hose Nozzle and it's big brother The Industrial High Flow Fireman's Nozzle offer a wide range of spray patterns as well as the very important open flow and no leaks! The open flow option is especially important when rinsing your car to get the water to sheet off instead of beading up which will cut down on drying time and the possibility of water spots. It is also designed so you can set it down quickly without breaking or accidentally hitting a handle and giving yourself an unexpected shower.


Optional Foam Guns and Foam Cannons

Dirt and grit as most abrasive when it is laying in a fine dust over your paint. Even when pre-rinsing your car with water some of the grit can scratch. Both the BLACKFIRE Foam Gun and the BLACKFIRE Foam Cannon allow you to lather your car in a blanket of clingy suds that encapsulate the grime and reduce its abrasiveness. The BLACKFIRE Foam Gun attaches to your hose with a special trigger nozzle. The BLACKFIRE Foam Cannon attaches to a pressure washer. Mix in your favorite car soap or use a special blended car soap such as Detailer's Pro Series Xtreme Foam Formula Auto Shampoo and spray on. Allow the soap to dwell for several minutes then rinse off.

If you paint only has a light coating of dust or road pitch you can even use the BLACKFIRE Foam Gun or BLACKFIRE Foam Cannon as a substitute for regular washing. Layer your car in a blanket of foam, lightly wipe with your favorite wash mitt, rinsing frequently in a rinse bucket, and hose off.


Drying Towels

Two of the most popular options for drying your vehicle are waffle weave microfiber towels and synthetic PVA towels. The PVA synthetic chamois are the small rubbery towels used by divers and swimmers at the Olympics. They are generally smaller and rubber-like in feel. They hold a large amount of water, wring out easily, and last a very long time. The drawback is that they are not quite as soft and gentle as the microfiber drying towels.

Microfiber waffle weave drying towels like the Cobra Guzzler Waffle Weave Drying Towel are very soft, safe and effective. The waffle weave act like little pockets and absorb tons of water and when used properly used are extremely gentle on your vehicles surface. It generally takes only two towels to dry vehicle to ensure a spot and streak free finish. The first towel picks up the majority of water and the second towel picks up any residual moisture ensuring a streak free finish. Another benefit to the Cobra Guzzler Waffle Weave Drying Towel is that you just wash them with my other microfiber detailing towels so that each time you go to wash your car your microfiber drying towel is clean and fresh with no chance of dirt from the last car wash. Keep in mind that just like other products, there is a difference in quality when it comes to microfiber drying towels, they are not all the same so be sure to use only high quality towels like the Sonus Der Wunder Microfiber Drying Towel or Cobra Guzzler Waffle Weave Drying Towels, available in three sizes

Now that we’ve discussed the tools for the job, lets just give you a rundown of how to wash your car in a manner that gets it clean and reduces the chances of your putting swirls into the paint.

Always wash your car in the shade! This will keep your car wash shampoo solution from drying on the car before it is rinsed off. If at all possible, it is best to wash your car on a relatively calm day as even a slight breeze can put particles of dirt in the air. These dust particles are attracted to the wash/rinse water on your vehicle and act like sandpaper when rubbed between the drying towel and vehicle surface. The breeze will also tend to dry your car for you and this can cause streaks and water spots.
  • Use two buckets with a Grit Guard® Insert in each bucket. One is for your shampoo solution and the other is clean rinse water for your wash mitt.
  • Fill a 5-gallon bucket 2/3 full with cool water. Add recommended amount of shampoo to the water. Using a stiff jet of water, fill the bucket to fully activate suds. Fill the second bucket with clean, water for rinsing your wash mitt.
  • Thoroughly rinse the vehicle’s surface to remove the loose dirt and grime before you begin your car wash procedure. If the paint is excessively dirty or you wish to add more protection, use a foam cannon to pre-soak the vehicle prior to rinsing.
  • Only use high quality car shampoos and wash mitts.
  • When washing your vehicle remember to always go from high to low, never the opposite. Generally the dirtiest parts of your vehicle are those parts closest to the ground. Wheel wells, rocker panels and bumpers tend to have the largest accumulation of grime and you don’t want to bring that junk back onto the paint surface and risk scratching it.
  • Load up your wash mitt with your car wash solution and wring it out over the wash surface. This acts like a “pre-soak” and helps loosen surface gunk. It also adds more sudsy water to the surface more lubricity to help safely wash the grime away without scratching.
  • Keep your wash areas small and rinse your wash mitt frequently in the second bucket.
  • Wash in straight, overlapping lines as opposed to circles and remember to be gentle with the wash mitt on the first pass. This first pass will pick up the majority of the dirt, and loosens the remaining dirt for pick up on the second pass.
  • Rinse your vehicle by opening up your Fire Hose Nozzle to the open flow setting or by removing the nozzle if you don’t have an open flow option on your nozzle and let the water run or sheet over the surface instead of spraying. This helps in two ways. First, generally when water has “sheeted” off of a surface it tends to leave less residual droplets behind. This means less to drying time. Second, since there is less water to pick up, there is less chance of your leaving water behind to “spot” the vehicle.
  • When you dry your car, use only high quality microfiber waffle weave drying towels and wring out often. Gently dry the surface without much pressure. You don’t need to rub the surface…you’re just picking up the bulk of the water! Once you have picked up the bulk of the water, and the first towel is saturated, use the second towel to lightly pick up any remaining streaks or droplets.

Lastly, if your wax or sealant is still in good shape, go over the vehicle with a quick detail spray like or Sonus Acrylic Spritz Detail Spray or BLACKFIRE Midnight Sun Instant Detail Spray and a plush Cobra Deluxe Jr. Microfiber Buffing Towel to restore a radiance and slickness to the paint. This last step will give your vehicle that “just detailed” look by enhancing gloss and will also remove any missed drips, water spots or streaks that showed up when you weren’t looking.


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I just want to know what does everyone here think of these? As well, are these good enough quality products in terms of what they do?

And finally, most important of all, what are the proper steps for how I will use these products on my new baby?
Yes the products are fine/good/great depending on whose opinion you value, what forum you ask, what flavor of the month it is. One thing is for certain, Meguiar's products are used on Pebble Beach Concours De Elegance cars and for good reason!

As for as the proper steps, I would read the above articles and long winded text!


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Also, I am wondering when I clay the car do I wash the clay between uses - like in water? Or do I just keep folding it over?? And when will I know when a piece of clay should be thrown out? I mean when do I know that the piece of clay is too dirty to use? is there anyway to clean clay? and how many uses would one bar give me?
Washing the clay in water won't do much. BLACKFIRE makes a product designed to clean clay, that does a phenomenal job, but generally you will continue to fold it on itself until it is no longer possible to expose a clean/fresh side. If you drop it on the ground, then it is time to toss.

The amount of uses a clay bar will give you depends on how dirty the car is to begin with. If the car is heavily contaminated then you may go through an entire bar (or more!). If it is a new car with minimal contamination, then you should be able to get multiple uses from the clay bar.

You swap to a new clay bar when you notice that it is no longer working effectively or you can no longer expose clean/fresh clay after folding. Also if you drop it on the ground or it picks up any sharp contamination.

For storing the clay bar, give it a squirt or two of your clay lubricant, then put it in a ziplock bagging, squeeze out all of the air, and seal.
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The products you listed are pretty good over the counter products. However, I found that the yellow wash-and-wax doesn't sud very well. I've heard that the Gold Class soap suds really well. The NXT 2.0 Paste wax is a very good product, as well as the clay kit.
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Hey everyone,

I have never really washed cars with anything more than just plain car soap.

Recently I have purchased the following products as I want to give my new 2011 Camaro the works since the previous owner really let it go bad!

1.) http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4823

2.) http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4579

3.) http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4600

I just want to know what does everyone here think of these? As well, are these good enough quality products in terms of what they do?

And finally, most important of all, what are the proper steps for how I will use these products on my new baby?

Is it wash, clay, wax? and can I hand wax the car using the foam applicator that the wax came with?? Or do I need one of those machines?
I would prefer to do everything by hand.

Also, I am wondering when I clay the car do I wash the clay between uses - like in water? Or do I just keep folding it over?? And when will I know when a piece of clay should be thrown out? I mean when do I know that the piece of clay is too dirty to use? is there anyway to clean clay? and how many uses would one bar give me?

Basically if people could take me through all of the steps I need to do that would be fantastic!!!!!

Any tips would be more than greatly appreciated!!
Please help a newbie!!
Welcome to the Camaro family! I am not sure if you had already checked out your owner's manual but there are a lot of helpful hints on to how to take care of the exterior of your car. All the items are listed on page 10-92 under the heading Appearance Care. I hope this helped!

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Thanks everyone for the replies! They have been of great help. I clearly have a ton of reading to do on this forum and with all the information everyone gave me !!

Unfortunetly I do not have the car manual as the previous owner did not give it to me haha, BUT I have found it on the Chevrolet website and am good to go! Thank you for the tips!!
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One more quick question!

I know you should clay a car roughly every 6months or whenever you notice that its getting overly contaminated, but how often should I wax and polish it??
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One more quick question!

I know you should clay a car roughly every 6months or whenever you notice that its getting overly contaminated, but how often should I wax and polish it??
Anytime you clay your car, you should polish it to get that nice looking shine, and then wax it to protect that shine.

When you don't clay, you can wax your car depending on how long the kind of wax you are using lasts. I think that NXT paste should be good for about 2-3 months, depending on how often you wash your car. You'll notice that water will stop beading when the wax is starting to fade away.
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One more quick question!

I know you should clay a car roughly every 6months or whenever you notice that its getting overly contaminated, but how often should I wax and polish it??
Claying and Polishing are done as needed (same with wax, although many people will use a schedule so they replenish their wax prior to it wearing out).

With claying, inspect your paint feel on occassion. When it no longer feels smooth (you feel pumps, grit, and/or a pebble-like texture) it is time to clay.

With polishing, the best indicator is that you can see visible swirl marks in the paint. Polish to remove these.

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This was great information. I guess the days of giving my kid $5.00 to wash the car are over.
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This was great information. I guess the days of giving my kid $5.00 to wash the car are over.
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