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Old 05-15-2012, 09:35 AM   #1
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MACE 25 mm Insulator vs RX Black Ice insulator

hi guys,

I have been reading a lot about insulators latetly; especially about Mace's 25 mm and RX Black Ice insulator.

Right now they both seems to work well and haven't heard any complains...

Still haven't read of a big difference between them either....

So my question is... What's the main difference between then?


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Old 05-15-2012, 11:31 AM   #2
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RX if you want couple more hp pass 6k rpm. MACE if you want low to mid boost up to over 10 extra ft lb of tq around 4k rpm.

I would do MACE hands down, VMAX version is not bad either but one thing I don't like is the fact that it does not match to stock cylinder head and intake manifold holes which will create turbulence in high rpm unless you grind off the edge of the cylinder head.

Both good, but MACE all the way for me!!
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:35 AM   #3
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RX if you want couple more hp pass 6k rpm. MACE if you want low to mid boost up to over 10 extra ft lb of tq around 4k rpm.

I would do MACE hands down, VMAX version is not bad either but one thing I don't like is the fact that it does not match to stock cylinder head and intake manifold holes which will create turbulence in high rpm unless you grind off the edge of the cylinder head.

Both good, but MACE all the way for me!!

I agree, these motors wind up fast at 4k+, the mace added a noticeable gain just below that.....
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:54 PM   #4
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The VMax matches the intake manifold gasket opening exactley and is a one piece design to give as much isolation of radiant heat as well. The tests on the VMax were done at 3 different shops, on 3 different dynos, in 3 different parts of the country, and with 3 different cars....no tuning on any and all showed 20 RWHP and 25-28 RWTQ gains.

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Old 05-15-2012, 04:17 PM   #5
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Edit: I meant to post this on the LLT Section
this had me confused at first as the LFX has a composite intake manifold, so no need for an isolator
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:02 PM   #6
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The VMax matches the intake manifold gasket opening exactley and is a one piece design to give as much isolation of radiant heat as well. The tests on the VMax were done at 3 different shops, on 3 different dynos, in 3 different parts of the country, and with 3 different cars....no tuning on any and all showed 20 RWHP and 25-28 RWTQ gains.


Well worth the money if you consider hp per $.....
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:22 PM   #7
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Here is a detailed thread to the question that you're asking.

http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread...highlight=mace

Hope this helps

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Old 05-15-2012, 05:30 PM   #8
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For LFX?
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:43 PM   #9
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For LFX?
Doubt it :( But then again who knows
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:08 PM   #10
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If you want an unbiased opinion, here's mine.

2 cars in our camaro club have insulators. 1 an rx and another a mace. I personally took a ride in both... The difference could not have been more noticeable. The mace was amazing!! It pulled hard from 2400K up until redline. The rx wasn't bad but comparing the two, it was evident the mace was a killer buy. When the member with the rx took a ride in the mace insulated car, he decided to sell his rx. I'm not bashing a product and just telling you my experiences so take it for what it is. I personally don't even have an insulator but I'm actually ordering the mace tonight after seeing the difference between the two.

I'll even tell you that I was originally set on the rx because of the fit with my vararam but even if i have to do some modifications, I'll make it work. The Mace is that good. The vararam and mace are a match made in heaven
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:41 PM   #11
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lscamaro, were the other mods, tranny, wheels, tires, etc. in the two cars similar? In other words, is it an apples to apples comparison other than the insulator?
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Yes sir. Both with injen long tubes. The only difference was that they had different axle-backs. Just those mods.

Oh and both rs package so same wheels and tires
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Yes sir. Both with injen long tubes. The only difference was that they had different axle-backs. Just those mods.

Oh and both rs package so same wheels and tires
OK, cool. Sounds like a good comparison then. I actually have both version sitting in a box, just waiting for some free time to install. I have toyed with the idea of stacking both.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:08 PM   #14
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Thanks guys! I went with the mace 25mm!!
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Old 05-16-2012, 04:08 AM   #15
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Thanks guys! I went with the mace 25mm!!
Yours was sent up today
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This is the LFX forum no?
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:53 AM   #17
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Yours was sent up today
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This is the LFX forum no?
Yes it is, I accidently posted it on the LFX forum
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:05 AM   #18
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Should be in the LLT forum...but hey no biggie lol
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Dyno comparison would lay this arguement to rest. on an lfx llt or any other version of the motor. If it hasnt been done by the time i get back from deployment. I will gladly pay for dyno time if the parts are supplied to me for testing.
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An unbiased dyno with both insulators back to back has already been done. As well as user feedback. It was done by hapisok
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Dyno comparison would lay this arguement to rest. on an lfx llt or any other version of the motor. If it hasnt been done by the time i get back from deployment. I will gladly pay for dyno time if the parts are supplied to me for testing.
I would supply the VMax free if you would do a unbiased testfollowing the same procedures. The same thickness of isolator/insulator, and all things equal.

I think hapisoks was done with the 3/8" VMax vs the 25mm Mace, but he would need to clarify.

We bent over backwards to work as friends with Mace but the bashing seems to show some would rather have us enemies and that helps no one involved.

Just need some fair, equal, independant testing with no hype.....and on the same car as no 2 are the same as lscamaro states he drove 2 different cars.

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May i ask why u want a test with both insulators the same size? It seems to me like that would be useless since everyone is either buying the iceolator or the 25mm mace. Why would you conduct a test for a product no one is interested in?
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