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Old 05-28-2009, 03:43 PM   #1
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misgivings on the Camaro

I ordered on October 13. Seven months ago I didn't foresee G.M. stock at 1.12 a share. I didn't know there would be a shroud of mystery in putting the car in the hands of it's customers when G.M. desperately needs to be selling vehicles. I didn't know G.M. would only be selling 27% of production.
The hype that this would be the best built Camaro yet remains to be seen. Issues have surfaced and interested if dealers are equipped with parts and knowledge to get them back on the road or if customers will experience "down time."
Having driven one, (not mine) I did not know the limited vision out of the car would be as big a factor as it is.
Yes, the diehards will dispute all the negatives and pretend those of us who are disappointed need to drive a tractor trailer.
I have a family and safety is a priority. I drove the V-6 Malibu with 262 H.P. and was very impressed. It had plenty of power and view of the road.
I may yet buy the Camaro if it ever comes in, but I'm not as excited as I once was about the car.
I believe the bankrupcy is having some effect on Camaro delivery because it just doesn't make any business sense that a car so popular and so needed to be sold is not in the hands of dealers.
My local dealer had to cancel a debut planned this weekend because the car is not going to arrive as promised.
Not good business.
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Old 05-28-2009, 03:47 PM   #2
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There are still plenty of people backing out and many leaving there orders in midst of production, you can still get one faster than you think if you look around this forum and do some research online around the country.
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In a way, it is kind of sad to hear some of the concerns you have about this car. However, you have to do what is most useful to you and your family.

I was kind of wary of the small windows. But, when I got in the car, and drove for a while, that all went away.
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The Malibu is a family car, as is the G8.

It sounds like that's what you need right now.

The G8 GT is practical, but still a blast to drive.

The Malibu and G8 GT are available now, at great discounts.



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The Malibu is a family car, as is the G8.

It sounds like that's what you need right now.

The G8 GT is practical, but still a blast to drive.

The Malibu and G8 GT are available now, at great discounts.



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The Malibu is a family car, as is the G8.

It sounds like that's what you need right now.

The G8 GT is practical, but still a blast to drive.

The Malibu and G8 GT are available now, at great discounts.



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Not sure how serious you could have been about the Camaro if you are concerned about how it stacks up to a family sedan. Regarding safety, as a 2010 model year car, it probably will exceed most previous model year safety standards, so I'm not sure why you mention that, unless you are referring to the rear quarter vision.

The price of GM stock has no reflection on the viability of the Camaro being around, it will become one of the cars GM will continue to produce for years. The development cost needs to be recouped over the next several years. As speculated here and elsewhere, its future may be with a turbocharged 4 cyl - who knows.

Camaro production has definitely picked up. The few quality issues have been quickly addressed. As has been widely noted in the news, etc. GM will eliminate many duplicate cars in its offerings and eliminate dealerships in metropolitan areas. And so in about 18 mos. GM will be a smaller, profitable company and its past problems will be mostly forgotten. It may even merge with another manufacturer.

The G8 will probably be a good substitute for you. But again, it will be a former GM nameplate (Pontiac), a Malibu would be my first choice if I were looking for a solid Chevy. You could wait to see if GM decides to replace the Impala with a rebadged G8.

But in any case, good luck to you in whatever you decide.
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you have some sound observations. But you are comparing a family car which is more practical to a sports car. A sports car has never been known for the convience or comfort of a sedan. Although modern sports cars have breeched the gap quite considerably between sports car and family car. But your still going to give up some comofort. If they turned the camaro into the G8 or malibu it would never be the camaro. Your probably better off with the other models. As far as ordering there has been bitching and griping especially from the pre-orders, but that is water under the bridge and nothing will change. But from what I have been seen prodcution has been speeding up and quite a few orders have been dropped which will speed up your order.
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you cant honestly compare a Camaro to a Malibu.................and for the record, the visablity is just fine! the lower roofline adds adds character, and if you'r concern is the blinds spots, you've never driven a Camaro (or f-body) before because the sail panels have ALWAYS been there!

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I think if you drive one for a little the issue seems to go away. Also, there is a thread in here, which shows the proper way to adjust mirrors for a vehicle. I have set mine wrong all my life. I followed the suggestions of this article, and it is night and day. You will have no issue using your mirrors.

I also agree you are looking for something other than the Camaro. We do not want to flame or bash, just point out the obvious. It is not a family car in the class of the other vehicles you have mentioned. Your comparison would be equal to a prop duster and a private jet. There are differences.
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I believe the bankrupcy is having some effect on Camaro delivery because it just doesn't make any business sense that a car so popular and so needed to be sold is not in the hands of dealers.
it's a new car. Sorry you feel that way, but you need a family car anyway... Plus there is not a visability problem. Because of what I read on this forum, I was scared to take it out of the dealership at first...plus it was raining. Once I hit the gas ... any worries were gone. The Visability is fine.

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The Malibu is a family car, as is the G8.

It sounds like that's what you need right now.

The G8 GT is practical, but still a blast to drive.

The Malibu and G8 GT are available now, at great discounts.



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you cant honestly compare a Camaro to a Malibu.................and for the record, the visablity for just fine! the lower roofline adds adds character, and if you'r concern is the blinds spots, you've never driven a Camaro (or f-body) before because the sail panels have ALWAYS been there!

good luck with whatever you decide!
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This is not a 'Family' car.
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it's a new car. Sorry you feel that way, but you need a family car anyway... Plus there is not a visability problem.
There are many many posts on this board that say the visibility is very bad, and many from new owners. So there seems to be a difference of opinion.
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Visibility is bad, Noticed that the second time I test drove it. Other than that Its awsome and I'm willing to get used to it as a Fun car, Not a family sedan.
I'm hoping the lighter grey interior will make it seem less claustrophobic inside the black is like being in a cave.
Got into my SSE bonneville to drive home and it was like driving in a greenhouse.
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Visibility is bad, Noticed that the second time I test drove it. Other than that Its awsome and I'm willing to get used to it as a Fun car, Not a family sedan.
I'm hoping the lighter grey interior will make it seem less claustrophobic inside the black is like being in a cave.
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There are many many posts on this board that say the visibility is very bad, and many from new owners. So there seems to be a difference of opinion.
Do these "new" owners have pics?
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I ordered on October 13. Seven months ago I didn't foresee G.M. stock at 1.12 a share. I didn't know there would be a shroud of mystery in putting the car in the hands of it's customers when G.M. desperately needs to be selling vehicles. I didn't know G.M. would only be selling 27% of production.
The hype that this would be the best built Camaro yet remains to be seen. Issues have surfaced and interested if dealers are equipped with parts and knowledge to get them back on the road or if customers will experience "down time."
Having driven one, (not mine) I did not know the limited vision out of the car would be as big a factor as it is.
Yes, the diehards will dispute all the negatives and pretend those of us who are disappointed need to drive a tractor trailer.
I have a family and safety is a priority. I drove the V-6 Malibu with 262 H.P. and was very impressed. It had plenty of power and view of the road.
I may yet buy the Camaro if it ever comes in, but I'm not as excited as I once was about the car.
I believe the bankrupcy is having some effect on Camaro delivery because it just doesn't make any business sense that a car so popular and so needed to be sold is not in the hands of dealers.
My local dealer had to cancel a debut planned this weekend because the car is not going to arrive as promised.
Not good business.
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This is not a 'Family' car.
larietrope, your post makes no sense. As irpq states, this isn't a family car. Why even consider a Camaro if you are concerned about a car that is fit for a family? So why even waste your time posting about other issues, but you shouldn't have even been considering this car in the first place?
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Do these "new" owners have pics?
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Larietrope --

Naturally I'd like you to have a new Camaro -- but you seem to really need a family car -- and if that's the case -- I'd highly encourage you to test drive a Pontiac G8 -- I believe this will meet many of your needs, yet give you a GREAT handling car with great looks and the room you need.

I had one as a company car -- (that is until Thor did a 120mph sideways drift into my life!.....) -- and loved it.

I believe that the Pontiac G8 has the potential to be a very desirable car in terms of resale value only because there aren't that many of them out there --
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Larietrope --

Naturally I'd like you to have a new Camaro -- but you seem to really need a family car -- and if that's the case -- I'd highly encourage you to test drive a Pontiac G8 -- I believe this will meet many of your needs, yet give you a GREAT handling car with great looks and the room you need.

I had one as a company car -- (that is until Thor did a 120mph sideways drift into my life!.....) -- and loved it.

I believe that the Pontiac G8 has the potential to be a very desirable car in terms of resale value only because there aren't that many of them out there --
Funny, I was just having this same discussion tonight. The G6 and G8 will be very popular for years to come. If you want a "sedan" buy one of those! (especially the G8!)
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Great to see the mature and balanced responses in this thread.
No bad choices here. G8 is a great car and sounds like good match for your needs

I have not driven a 5th gen yet but the tradeoffs are similar to any sports oriented vehicle.
In my case the camaro lets me have my muscle car and accomodate wife and 2 of the 3 kids on the odd ocassions when we are not all in the family van at weekends and on vacations.
Just need to adjust driving style between van, camaro and motorcycle - especially when taking some of the long sweeping curves round my area :-) (oops - in van - not camaro...must slow...down )
I must say I am not clear on the safety concerns since the camaro has all round airbags, brembos etc - so is pretty much state of the art there

I expect that once GM emerges from some of the current activities that we will see the pipeline of camaros really freeing up as that revenue flows to the restructured company
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I did have a visibility problem when I tested a 1LT that hasn't received much attention. I'm short, 5'-6", and had to jack the seat up until I was almost touching the roof. I still found myself craning my neck to see over the hood bulge. I had this problem with an '82 Trans-Am. It was a drag and I never got used to it. I never got used to the crappy 305 in that car either!
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Hey Joe , 5'6" is not short.....Oh cause Im 5'6". Also blind spots can be solved by using side mirrors and driving defensively.. Sorry .. Im preaching because Ive driven for Ups for 30 yrs and am used to watching out for the other guy..
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Can't expect a jet fighter to be like a luxury liner.

It's a sports coupe.....

There are lot of other models to choose from if it's too low.

GM is not gonna give it lift or start chopping things to solve view issues.

There is always a price to pay for one thing of another. It would be a perfect world for a sports coupe to have more comfort and view than a crossover, SUV or truck.

Unless you want to put a 4x4 frame and some mud tires it's not gonna happen.
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I guess the people complaining about bad visibility never had or have driven a Camaro or Firebird. I've had a 69 Camaro, an 82, 84 and 88 Trans Am... they've always been that way for rear quarter visibility. As others have said, learn to use your mirrors. Adjust them so they don't all cover the same area. Many people make the mistake of thinking they need to see the side of their own car in their side view mirrors; they don't... it's not going to change its location. They need to see the side of OTHER cars who ARE changing their location. Adjust your side views so that when you see the back half of a car in your inside rear view mirror, the front half is visible in the side view. A car image should move from the inside mirror, to and into the side view mirror. By the time the image is leaving the side view the car is now alongside and you can easily see it.

The key to safely driving a Camaro in traffic is to NEVER assume it's clear; ALWAYS check those mirrors because looking over your shoulder like with other cars doesn't always work. It's entirely possible for a low profile car or bike to completely hide in the blind spot on the right rear view. Try it with a friend; go someplace where you have room and have them park their car. Then slowly pull up on the left as though they are in the lane next to you on the right. Slowly roll forward until their car is about even to the right rear quarter panel. You'll be amazed at how big of a car can disappear in that blind spot.

In fact that's a good position and time to adjust your side mirrors if you haven't done it already. If done properly you won't see the car by looking over your right shoulder, but you WILL see it in your side view mirror.

Drive defensively in traffic and never assume it's clear; always check those mirrors and you'll be fine. It won't take long before it becomes habit and you don't even think about it, you just do it automatically.
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