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Scott 78 · 05-17-2012, 11:24 AM

I've done a lot of reading so far and have heard two different sides.
Does anyone know if there is a flash counter on the 2012 V6? I want a tune but I'm not gonna sacrifice my warranty with only 4K on the odometer. Little early for that.

chevy 3 · 05-17-2012, 11:32 AM

Check out Vince with Tryfecta he should know.

etmx183 · 05-17-2012, 11:34 AM

I only have 1,700 on mine. Waiting for the Trifecta tune to be delivered, already have CAI and 100 shot of nitrous. The dealer will find whatever they need to void a warranty. Enjoy your car, I' having fun with mine. I have been an Automotive Tech for over 30 years and believe me unless they get GM Corporate involved most of the time they just want their warranty pay from corporate and a happy client.

sycraft · 05-17-2012, 03:53 PM

Any internal or performance related warranty claim now requires a copy of the latest flash from the computer to be sent up for review, so yes it will retain information if flashed back to stock, and yes they will flag your warranty.

onelapdoc · 05-17-2012, 06:04 PM

Actually asked my service manager about this today. He said there is a separate dedicated chip that is counting the last 10 flashes. If one is significantly different it is permanently recorded. The only way to delete that is to change the entire Module.....which supposedly GM has to do. He also said he had heard that the onstar system would flag to GM if you Significantly changed the programing on the '12. Truth? Fiction? I don't know

Synerbee · 05-17-2012, 06:44 PM

On the LLT they store flash in the TCM. Not sure about LFX

If you are looking for performance I would upgrade to a 1LT/RS. So your speed limiter is 155 and you get the better gearing

matt6589 · 05-17-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Synerbee

If you are looking for performance I would upgrade to a 1LT/RS. So your speed limiter is 155 and you get the better gearing

So there is a gearing difference between the LS and the LT? On the GM site it only says the 2LS is different, the 1LS, 1LT and 2LT are all listed at 3.27 ratio

*The Stig* · 05-17-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott 78

I've done a lot of reading so far and have heard two different sides.
Does anyone know if there is a flash counter on the 2012 V6? I want a tune but I'm not gonna sacrifice my warranty with only 4K on the odometer. Little early for that.

The V6 does not have a flash counter. You can flash back to the stock tune with no issues.

*The Stig* · 05-17-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by onelapdoc

Actually asked my service manager about this today. He said there is a separate dedicated chip that is counting the last 10 flashes. If one is significantly different it is permanently recorded. The only way to delete that is to change the entire Module.....which supposedly GM has to do. He also said he had heard that the onstar system would flag to GM if you Significantly changed the programing on the '12. Truth? Fiction? I don't know

On the V8 yes, that is how the flash counter works. The V6 does not have a flash counter.

Onstar cannot "flag" your car nor can Onstar rat you out to GM/Chevy.

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Originally Posted by sycraft

Any internal or performance related warranty claim now requires a copy of the latest flash from the computer to be sent up for review, so yes it will retain information if flashed back to stock, and yes they will flag your warranty.

see earlier comments about the V6 NOT having a flash counter

onelapdoc · 05-17-2012, 09:55 PM

@Stieger Cool I kinda wondered if I was getting fed some crap.

sycraft · 05-17-2012, 10:15 PM

It does store it, they will know if flashed back

Scott 78 · 05-18-2012, 08:33 AM

Well, I suppose maybe a better question then would be if anyone has had their warranty voided?

ericv75247 · 05-18-2012, 12:32 PM

So if you tune a V6 camaro they wont know because there is no flash counter? What about the CVN?

sycraft · 05-18-2012, 12:53 PM

General Motors does not support or endorse the use of devices or modifications that, when installed, increase the engine horsepower and torque. It is because of these unknown stresses, and the potential to alter reliability, durability and emissions performance, that GM has adopted a policy that prevents any UNAUTHORIZED dealer warranty claim submissions to any remaining warranty coverage, to the powertrain and driveline components whenever the presence of a non-GM (aftermarket) calibration is confirmed - even if the non-GM control module calibration is subsequently removed. Refer to the latest version of Bulletin 09-06-04-026 (Gas Engines) or 06-06-01-007 (Duramax™ Diesel Engines) for more information on dealer requirements for calibration verification.

Also remember, the first thing a dealer will do is flash the computer with the latest software for a problem to be sure it is the latest available, so bye bye tune and you would have to reflash.

*The Stig* · 05-18-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sycraft

General Motors does not support or endorse the use of devices or modifications that, when installed, increase the engine horsepower and torque. It is because of these unknown stresses, and the potential to alter reliability, durability and emissions performance, that GM has adopted a policy that prevents any UNAUTHORIZED dealer warranty claim submissions to any remaining warranty coverage, to the powertrain and driveline components whenever the presence of a non-GM (aftermarket) calibration is confirmed - even if the non-GM control module calibration is subsequently removed. Refer to the latest version of Bulletin 09-06-04-026 (Gas Engines) or 06-06-01-007 (Duramax™ Diesel Engines) for more information on dealer requirements for calibration verification.

This is 100% correct. However, the V6 still does NOT have a flash counter.

malave7567 · 05-18-2012, 12:58 PM

from what I've heard, flashing back to stock before going to the dealership would mean you should be fine. You could then re-flash your tune back in when you get the car back. There have been people who have done that with no problems.

xx_ED_xx · 05-18-2012, 03:57 PM

Since I have worked at GM and done flashes which are constantly updated for improvements and to fix minor issues. It all depends on the tech. It is easy to see when you do the flash if it isnt stock etc. The details are listed when you do the flashing of pcm.

nak3dsnake · 05-31-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stieger

This is 100% correct. However, the V6 still does NOT have a flash counter.

Stieger is right. It has be VERIFIED by Vince at trfiecta that the 2010-2011 Bosch unit DOES NOT HAVE A FLASH COUNTER. Several users on this site have flashed back and had their cars serviced and checked by a dealer with ZERO issues. I have no idea if the new GM LFX control unit has a flash counter, I would lean toward yes.

Jonzmaro · 06-01-2012, 05:36 AM

Matt,

I beleive the LS's do have a taller gear, 2:8X, or 2:9X? vs the LT 3:27. Thus, they also have a higher mileage rating.

BenningJ · 06-01-2012, 07:39 AM

2LT has the 2.92 gear while everything else has the 3.27. I know he is not an LFX but I believe SIXJAXX (sp) has been to the dealer to get his engine replaced and the tune was still in. He didn't get flagged.

nak3dsnake · 06-01-2012, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BenningJ

2LT has the 2.92 gear while everything else has the 3.27. I know he is not an LFX but I believe SIXJAXX (sp) has been to the dealer to get his engine replaced and the tune was still in. He didn't get flagged.

2LS actually, its also auto only. That's how it gets the 30 highway mpg.

xx_ED_xx · 06-01-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BenningJ

2LT has the 2.92 gear while everything else has the 3.27. I know he is not an LFX but I believe SIXJAXX (sp) has been to the dealer to get his engine replaced and the tune was still in. He didn't get flagged.

Most aint smart enough to check, especially on a six. That and they are having issues anyhow just replace it and keep on trucking.

05-17-2012, 11:24 AM	#1
Scott 78 Drives: Black 2012 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 184 View My Garage	V6 Flash Counter I've done a lot of reading so far and have heard two different sides. Does anyone know if there is a flash counter on the 2012 V6? I want a tune but I'm not gonna sacrifice my warranty with only 4K on the odometer. Little early for that. __________________ 2012 Camaro

05-17-2012, 11:32 AM	#2
chevy 3 NEcamaro5 Drives: cgm 2LT RS 2010 16847 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: mass Posts: 3,112 View My Garage	Check out Vince with Tryfecta he should know. __________________ Airaid,jba,mrtv2,tryfecta,gm bodykit,havock spoiler,razzy splitter,pfad 1.25 drop,blacked out headlights,markers,tail lights,blacked out all bowties,painted engine cover and underhood lighting,Custome underhood bowtie,t rex grill,tinted windows,black side gills,disk brake covers,barton shortthrow,abl (all the way across),footwell lighting,blacked out dash trim and console,zl1 nose soon

05-17-2012, 11:34 AM	#3
etmx183 Drives: 2012 Camaro 2LT RS, 04 Turbo Busa Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 411 View My Garage	I only have 1,700 on mine. Waiting for the Trifecta tune to be delivered, already have CAI and 100 shot of nitrous. The dealer will find whatever they need to void a warranty. Enjoy your car, I' having fun with mine. I have been an Automotive Tech for over 30 years and believe me unless they get GM Corporate involved most of the time they just want their warranty pay from corporate and a happy client. __________________ CAI intake, SOLO HFCs GMPP mufflers,BMR driveshaft loop and tunnel brace, trailing arms, toe arms Hurst Roll control TRIFECTA Tune (2x 1 motor/ 1 nitrous ) NYTREX Triple Threat Nitrous system ( 12.71@106.99mph <-- set on 11/11/2012 ) RX Ported Throttle body, RX catch can, APEX air scoop & washer relocation kit, SS diff swap with 3.42 gears, BMR diff bushings BMR cradle bushings. Refusing to grow older, I just go faster.

05-17-2012, 06:44 PM	#6
Synerbee SoCal Headturners Drives: 2010 SGM Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Anaheim Hills, California Posts: 5,687	On the LLT they store flash in the TCM. Not sure about LFX If you are looking for performance I would upgrade to a 1LT/RS. So your speed limiter is 155 and you get the better gearing __________________ Mods: 22" Lexani LX-15s, Vertical doors, Dynamic RGB grill light, RGB footwell, SGM painted interior, Mace 25mm insulator, Vararam intake, Grantelli trailing arms, Ark N-II exhaust in box: RX catch can, SS strut towers, eibach 1 in. drop for SS strut towers For sale: Used Granatelli 1g bracing, Used SGM scosche, New DT shorty headers v6 camaro LLT

05-18-2012, 08:33 AM	#12
Scott 78 Drives: Black 2012 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 184 View My Garage	Well, I suppose maybe a better question then would be if anyone has had their warranty voided? __________________ 2012 Camaro

05-17-2012, 03:53 PM	#4
sycraft Drives: 2012 Camaro LS "Hot Blown Six" Join Date: May 2012 Location: Port Saint Lucie, FL Posts: 1,529 View My Garage	Any internal or performance related warranty claim now requires a copy of the latest flash from the computer to be sent up for review, so yes it will retain information if flashed back to stock, and yes they will flag your warranty.

05-17-2012, 06:04 PM	#5
onelapdoc Drives: 2LT/RS coupe M6 IBM Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Springfield, Tn Posts: 63	Actually asked my service manager about this today. He said there is a separate dedicated chip that is counting the last 10 flashes. If one is significantly different it is permanently recorded. The only way to delete that is to change the entire Module.....which supposedly GM has to do. He also said he had heard that the onstar system would flag to GM if you Significantly changed the programing on the '12. Truth? Fiction? I don't know

05-17-2012, 09:55 PM	#10
onelapdoc Drives: 2LT/RS coupe M6 IBM Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Springfield, Tn Posts: 63	@Stieger Cool I kinda wondered if I was getting fed some crap.

05-17-2012, 10:15 PM	#11
sycraft Drives: 2012 Camaro LS "Hot Blown Six" Join Date: May 2012 Location: Port Saint Lucie, FL Posts: 1,529 View My Garage	It does store it, they will know if flashed back

05-18-2012, 12:32 PM	#13
ericv75247 Drives: Ashen Grey Stock Camaro Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 5	So if you tune a V6 camaro they wont know because there is no flash counter? What about the CVN?

05-18-2012, 12:53 PM	#14
sycraft Drives: 2012 Camaro LS "Hot Blown Six" Join Date: May 2012 Location: Port Saint Lucie, FL Posts: 1,529 View My Garage	General Motors does not support or endorse the use of devices or modifications that, when installed, increase the engine horsepower and torque. It is because of these unknown stresses, and the potential to alter reliability, durability and emissions performance, that GM has adopted a policy that prevents any UNAUTHORIZED dealer warranty claim submissions to any remaining warranty coverage, to the powertrain and driveline components whenever the presence of a non-GM (aftermarket) calibration is confirmed - even if the non-GM control module calibration is subsequently removed. Refer to the latest version of Bulletin 09-06-04-026 (Gas Engines) or 06-06-01-007 (Duramax™ Diesel Engines) for more information on dealer requirements for calibration verification. Also remember, the first thing a dealer will do is flash the computer with the latest software for a problem to be sure it is the latest available, so bye bye tune and you would have to reflash.

05-18-2012, 12:58 PM	#16
malave7567 Drives: 2013 SIM Camaro 1SS Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 772	from what I've heard, flashing back to stock before going to the dealership would mean you should be fine. You could then re-flash your tune back in when you get the car back. There have been people who have done that with no problems. __________________ 2012 Camaro 1LS - (Sold with 13k miles) 2013 Camaro 1SS - (8600 miles, Picked up 10/11/12) Journal Thread

05-18-2012, 03:57 PM	#17
xx_ED_xx Drives: 04 Silverado Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Floriduh! Posts: 1,124	Since I have worked at GM and done flashes which are constantly updated for improvements and to fix minor issues. It all depends on the tech. It is easy to see when you do the flash if it isnt stock etc. The details are listed when you do the flashing of pcm. __________________

06-01-2012, 05:36 AM	#19
Jonzmaro Drives: 2012 IOM 1LT A6 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Potomac Falls VA Posts: 69	Matt, I beleive the LS's do have a taller gear, 2:8X, or 2:9X? vs the LT 3:27. Thus, they also have a higher mileage rating.

06-01-2012, 07:39 AM	#20
BenningJ Drives: 2013 AGM 1SS/RS LS3, 1976 Camaro LT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Waterloo, Iowa Posts: 1,164 View My Garage	2LT has the 2.92 gear while everything else has the 3.27. I know he is not an LFX but I believe SIXJAXX (sp) has been to the dealer to get his engine replaced and the tune was still in. He didn't get flagged. __________________