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Quick · 05-20-2012, 02:26 PM

Most of these suggestions have merit,however I feel there are a few
on here that would buy a motorcycle and complain that it didn't have
airconditioning.

Gr8ride · 05-20-2012, 05:23 PM

Since I have a 2LS, the only thing I can really complain about it that they skimped on USB connectivity for I pods and MP3 players. and the Steel Heritage wheels which look decent but come on GM its a #$@#^**&% CAMARO...so what if its stock!! put some pride into it...and give it decent rims.

I wont complain about the interior, I love it even if it is "cheap plastic" its the best bare bones interior of any car on the market. This is actually what sold me I saw the other camaros on the lot and except for the wheels center console guages and lights its the same...so I went cheaper.....

JAX CAMARO · 05-20-2012, 05:45 PM

I wish the orange light that is on my doors was continued across the dash where it looks like it should be lit up. That would make it look awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!

BowlingSS · 05-20-2012, 05:49 PM

The window shade visor is really short. Wind noise on the driver side.

I do love the car.
Bill

2cnd chance · 05-20-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by linc400

Get over yourself. It is just a car, and no car is perfect. That was the point of the entire post.

Probably not going to happen, but if GM took notice of the complaints and came out with a 6th gen that looked equally good but came in more colors, had more backseat and trunk space, no transmission problems and better paint. How would that be a bad thing?

Besides, it looks like according to your sig, you don't even own one. So how would you know what flaws it does or does not have?

I "understand" that it is a car, but there are hundreds and hundreds of cars available. All are focused on a certain niche wether it be gas mileage, luxury, sport, cargo carrying, etc. The Camaro is focused on value based performance. Because of that your not going to get things like cargo carrying capability. The design which many like does not allow for a large and comfortable rear seat. Yes nothing is perfect, but the Camaro which was dead is a huge success amongst its competitors. And no I haven't bought a Camaro yet as I'm waiting for a Z28. I won't complain about its trunk size or lack of...I'll just mod it to fit my own personal desires.

Rhyder · 05-20-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by linc400

Try it with a convertible's smaller trunk.

Ha, if the tops down making the trunk small, that just opens up the whole back seat for stuff....vert's have the largest "trunk" of them all

2cnd chance · 05-20-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhyder

Ha, if the tops down making the trunk small, that just opens up the whole back seat for stuff....vert's have the largest "trunk" of them all

I like your glass half Full approach.

Rhyder · 05-20-2012, 06:41 PM

I have to agree with the keyless, I had a keyless fob with my old caddy. It senses when your near, and unlocks when you pull the handle. Even sensed which Fob was where and auto moved the seats and mirrors according to which one of you was driving. just sit, push the buutton and everything went where it was supposed to.

That sould at least be an option, I wouldnt even have hesitated to pay extra on purchase for that.

Though my thoughts are, if they just put everything in the first model, they wouldnt get as many people trading up as they do by introducing things gradually.......

oldfriend · 05-20-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by midnighter

Really? I think this is your only solution...

Attachment 373321

Can i make it with some kind a wood ?

Comrando · 05-20-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by oldfriend

Can i make it with some kind a wood ?

Sure, if you soak that bamboo for ~48 hours.

Otherwise just buy the roller skate pads.

45SS · 05-20-2012, 07:12 PM

to much plastic on the front!

steverc · 05-20-2012, 07:43 PM

I am 6'3" tall. The head room is ok but on longer drives I need more lower back support. It would have been nice to have a simple manually operated lower back adjustment like I had on my Grand Prix. Even my GMC Canyon has this. I would prefer simple manual adjustments for the whole seat for that matter.

linc400 · 05-20-2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I "understand" that it is a car, but there are hundreds and hundreds of cars available. All are focused on a certain niche wether it be gas mileage, luxury, sport, cargo carrying, etc. The Camaro is focused on value based performance. Because of that your not going to get things like cargo carrying capability. The design which many like does not allow for a large and comfortable rear seat. Yes nothing is perfect, but the Camaro which was dead is a huge success amongst its competitors. And no I haven't bought a Camaro yet as I'm waiting for a Z28. I won't complain about its trunk size or lack of...I'll just mod it to fit my own personal desires.

For people that buy this car as a weekend toy, no rear seat and trunk space do not matter. But this is my daily driver. Also I take several long distance trips during the summer, and this car has the least amount of rear seat and trunk space of any car I have ever owned despite being called big and bulky by every car review. I am seriously wondering if it can even be used for that with my friend and everything that goes with. I usually go to a lot of car shows during the summer with 2 other people, and both have now refused to ride in the back seat. And I don't blame them.

As I said I attend many car shows. There are plenty of cars that are Camaro 5 size or smaller coupes that offer far more rear seat and trunk room without sacrificing styling. Including 1960's Camaros. Seems like the big 3 have forgotten how to do that.

And I absolutely hate 4 doors and refused to buy one. So no, there are not hundreds of cars to choose from because that rules out 98% of them.

If you buy an LS, you are getting a car with awesome styling and performance for the price of a bland econobox. However, if you buy a convertible or SS, you are now in luxury car pricing. And the interior is not upgraded to reflect that.

jd10013 · 05-20-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by linc400

For people that buy this car as a weekend toy, no rear seat and trunk space do not matter. But this is my daily driver.

there's your problem, it's not designed to be a daily driver. and yes, It certainly can be used as one, but that wasn't the purpose that drove the design of the car.

linc400 · 05-20-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhyder

Ha, if the tops down making the trunk small, that just opens up the whole back seat for stuff....vert's have the largest "trunk" of them all

Yeah, I don't think I'll be putting down the top during Chicago winters so I can fit a few extra things in the car.

linc400 · 05-20-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jd10013

there's your problem, it's not designed to be a daily driver. and yes, It certainly can be used as one, but that wasn't the purpose that drove the design of the car.

Not many people can afford to spend this kind of money on a new car that is only used as a weekend toy. If the car cannot be used practically, it won't stay in production very long.

snizzle · 05-20-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JAX CAMARO

I wish the orange light that is on my doors was continued across the dash where it looks like it should be lit up. That would make it look awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!

Like the concept car, yes!

jd10013 · 05-20-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by linc400

Not many people can afford to spend this kind of money on a new car that is only used as a weekend toy. If the car cannot be used practically, it won't stay in production very long.

that's why these types of cars are generally low production. the camaro is top of the list in sales of this type of vehicle. and it's 6-7k in volume is pretty low, at least when you compare it to midsize's that range anywhere from 25k to 65k, and compacts that sell between 15-45k per month. it's also why they come and go over the years. and it's not just the domestic 3. nissan doesn't sell but 1000-1500 370's, and sales of Honda's S2000 got so bad they discontinued it. and I'm guessing that's the same reason Toyota pulled the plug on the MR2 and cellica. they just aren't practical every day cars.

linc400 · 05-20-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jd10013

that's why these types of cars are generally low production. the camaro is top of the list in sales of this type of vehicle. and it's 6-7k in volume is pretty low, at least when you compare it to midsize's that range anywhere from 25k to 65k, and compacts that sell between 15-45k per month. it's also why they come and go over the years. and it's not just the domestic 3. nissan doesn't sell but 1000-1500 370's, and sales of Honda's S2000 got so bad they discontinued it. and I'm guessing that's the same reason Toyota pulled the plug on the MR2 and cellica. they just aren't practical every day cars.

Yes, well that is the problem. The Mustang and Camaro and Challenger were based on their 1960's or 70's versions. Which actually could be practical daily drivers. Especially the Mustang as it was never originally intended to be a performance car, That came later.

None of the new versions are as practical.

jd10013 · 05-20-2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by linc400

Yes, well that is the problem. The Mustang and Camaro and Challenger were based on their 1960's or 70's versions. Which actually could be practical daily drivers. Especially the Mustang as it was never originally intended to be a performance car, That came later.

None of the new versions are as practical.

it's just a case of form over function. these cars are built to "look" a certain way. for instance, where would you get more back seat room? shrink front seat room? raise the roof line? make it longer? wider? all of those things could be done, but doing so would drastically alter the look of the car. and the way the car companies look at it, if you want something with more room just buy a midsize. the only real exception to this is the Maxima, but at nearly 50k it's out of reach for most buyers.

skipinminn · 05-20-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSVX

My passenger seat. It needs a height adjustment.

:l aughabove:

linc400 · 05-20-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jd10013

it's just a case of form over function. these cars are built to "look" a certain way. for instance, where would you get more back seat room? shrink front seat room? raise the roof line? make it longer? wider? all of those things could be done, but doing so would drastically alter the look of the car. and the way the car companies look at it, if you want something with more room just buy a midsize. the only real exception to this is the Maxima, but at nearly 50k it's out of reach for most buyers.

Take a look at a 1967-9 Camaro or 1965-66 Mustang. Do they fall short on styling? Hardly. They are highly desireable now just as when they were new. In fact they are what inspired the current versions. Yet they have more trunk space, more rear seat room, better visability, etc.

So how is it that the new versions that are based on them are unable to offer the same when they are basically the same size? Saying it would have ruined the styling is just a lame excuse for not putting the effort into designing it into the car from the beginning.

jd10013 · 05-20-2012, 09:30 PM

I'm not saying it would have ruined it, just changed it. the space has to come from somewhere. and I'm sure a lot of the safety features and emissions equipment account for some of the lost space between cars from that era and current cars. I highly doubt any of those cars would receive 5 star crash ratings.

CamaroSSpence · 05-20-2012, 09:38 PM

Rear axles - make them stronger....

linc400 · 05-20-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jd10013

I'm not saying it would have ruined it, just changed it. the space has to come from somewhere. and I'm sure a lot of the safety features and emissions equipment account for some of the lost space between cars from that era and current cars. I highly doubt any of those cars would receive 5 star crash ratings.

That accounts for some, but not all of it.

For example (this is hard to explain in words) we have a 2006 Monte Carlo SS. Rear seat room is adequate, but it is nearly impossible to get into the back seat. Why? Because the door opening at the rear is convex instead of concave. So instead of a larger opening, it is smaller with a pointed angle that bangs you in the back or leg when you try to get in or out. Would either have changed the look of the car? No, it was just a stupid design. Add to that the fact that you have to manually tilt the seat back forward and then it does not go back to its original position. You have to ratchet and readjust the whole seat back again any time it is moved forward. Does that change the looks? No, it is just a very stupid design.

I'm sure plenty of similar stupid design flaws eat up space in the Camaro but are probably not as obvious.

05-20-2012, 02:26 PM	#126
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05-20-2012, 05:23 PM	#127
Gr8ride Drives: Camaro 2Ls Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 156	Since I have a 2LS, the only thing I can really complain about it that they skimped on USB connectivity for I pods and MP3 players. and the Steel Heritage wheels which look decent but come on GM its a #$@#^**&% CAMARO...so what if its stock!! put some pride into it...and give it decent rims. I wont complain about the interior, I love it even if it is "cheap plastic" its the best bare bones interior of any car on the market. This is actually what sold me I saw the other camaros on the lot and except for the wheels center console guages and lights its the same...so I went cheaper..... __________________

05-20-2012, 05:45 PM	#128
JAX CAMARO Drives: orange 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: royersford Pa Posts: 336	I wish the orange light that is on my doors was continued across the dash where it looks like it should be lit up. That would make it look awesome !!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ ARH 1 7/8" Headers W/HFC GM Performance Exhaust / K&N Typhoon CAI, Hawk Pads / Dyno Tune - 416HP RWTQ

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05-20-2012, 07:43 PM	#137
steverc Drives: 2011 2LT RJT V6 AT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 99	I am 6'3" tall. The head room is ok but on longer drives I need more lower back support. It would have been nice to have a simple manually operated lower back adjustment like I had on my Grand Prix. Even my GMC Canyon has this. I would prefer simple manual adjustments for the whole seat for that matter. __________________

05-20-2012, 06:41 PM	#133
Rhyder Drives: 2012 45 Anniversary Vert Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: atlanta Posts: 2,032	I have to agree with the keyless, I had a keyless fob with my old caddy. It senses when your near, and unlocks when you pull the handle. Even sensed which Fob was where and auto moved the seats and mirrors according to which one of you was driving. just sit, push the buutton and everything went where it was supposed to. That sould at least be an option, I wouldnt even have hesitated to pay extra on purchase for that. Though my thoughts are, if they just put everything in the first model, they wouldnt get as many people trading up as they do by introducing things gradually.......

05-20-2012, 07:12 PM	#136
45SS Drives: 2012 45th Anniversary Camaro SS Join Date: May 2012 Location: Central Florida Posts: 54 View My Garage	to much plastic on the front!

05-20-2012, 09:30 PM	#148
jd10013 Drives: 2012 camaro Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: central VA Posts: 1,723	I'm not saying it would have ruined it, just changed it. the space has to come from somewhere. and I'm sure a lot of the safety features and emissions equipment account for some of the lost space between cars from that era and current cars. I highly doubt any of those cars would receive 5 star crash ratings.

05-20-2012, 09:38 PM	#149
CamaroSSpence Drives: 2012 SS/RS 45th Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: United States Posts: 24	Rear axles - make them stronger.... __________________ 2012 2SS/RS CAI, Cat Back