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Old 03-02-2014, 01:08 PM   #226
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Im guessing GM is working on the wording of a recall notice then.....
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:18 PM   #227
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Well today the steering failed while in a turn and wouldn't come back to center (3 lanes turning left, I was on the outside lane) forcing the guy in the middle into the other lane and jamming on his brakes to avoid me from coming into his lane.

I called the service adviser at the dealership to ask if he "ever heard of an electric assist system failing".....said never heard of such a thing. Yet there is 9 pages of threads here, plus stuff on the Cruze websites, etc.

If they tell me they can't find anything wrong, Chevy will be eating this car and my lawyer will be in touch.

I am not going to kill myself or someone's family member because the steering works when it wants or goes on vacation, and Chevy won't own up to it.
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:15 AM   #228
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GM waited years and the death toll numbers keep climbing with the ignition cut off problems, and they're just now getting to the recall stage. Hope they're learning from that disaster and get a grip on this issue FAST. THIS IS VERY SERIOUS.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:09 AM   #229
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I really hope they have found the problem associated with the power steering failures and have a recall. I have not driven my car for several months due to the cold weather. But the last time I used it the power steering went out,leaving my drive way. Like others have said turning the
car off and letting it sit for 5 or 10 minutes temporarily fixes the problem.
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:48 AM   #230
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Wasn't this traced to a loose cable in the trunk area? The other mention of a possible cause was a loose connection underneath the car that another owner had posted, I thought it was mentioned in an old thread? Strange how some cars exhibit it and others have not. Hope you get it sorted out.
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:00 PM   #231
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Wasn't this traced to a loose cable in the trunk area? The other mention of a possible cause was a loose connection underneath the car that another owner had posted, I thought it was mentioned in an old thread? Strange how some cars exhibit it and others have not. Hope you get it sorted out.
There have been multiple reports of possible causes including fraying of the cable going to the PS at the front crossmember, a bad ground connection due to the ground lug being relocated from it's factory location and not making a good enough ground at the new location, etc, and others have just had the entire unit replaced.

I don't believe one specific cause has been identified.
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Old 03-04-2014, 04:09 PM   #232
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The dealer called.

They are saying it's the CAI that is possibly interfering with the ground cable. To put the stock air box back and see if it does it again.
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Old 03-04-2014, 04:49 PM   #233
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The dealer called.

They are saying it's the CAI that is possibly interfering with the ground cable. To put the stock air box back and see if it does it again.
Was the ground cable moved or modified in any way when the CAI was installed?

This IS something that some people do when installing a CAI. Not all people but some do, and this is what happened to a previous person. They moved the ground wire and stud to a different location to provide better room for the CAI, but evidently, when the person re-located the ground, it didn't make a good enough contact to the body/frame of the car.

I know after I installed my Roto-fab, I noticed that the ground stud is right in front of and darn near touching the air filter. If I ever need to change the filter, I'm going to have to dismantle most of the CAI just to get the filter out.

If I do pull everything apart, I'll still leave the ground stud right where it's act to ensure I don't run into the same possible bad ground issue, but I will grind the stud portion that sticks out back a ways to provide clearance for the filter in the future.

There is also a 'possible' warranty issue here IF they can demonstrate that installing the CAI affected the ground connection enough to cause the PS failure.
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Old 03-04-2014, 04:51 PM   #234
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They are saying it's the CAI that is possibly interfering with the ground cable. To put the stock air box back and see if it does it again.

Yep, this has been known to be the cause. As the posted above said it has to do with the ground wire that runs around the intake.

So while this may sound like the dealer blowing smoke up your ass, it's actually the opposite. It sounds like he actually knows what he's talking about.


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Old 03-04-2014, 05:28 PM   #235
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Yep, this has been known to be the cause. As the posted above said it has to do with the ground wire that runs around the intake.

So while this may sound like the dealer blowing smoke up your ass, it's actually the opposite. It sounds like he actually knows what he's talking about.


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Yeah, when it happened to me they said I had a low voltage code. Air box was stock but the car had been sitting for a couple of weeks.
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Old 03-04-2014, 05:49 PM   #236
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Yeah, when it happened to me they said I had a low voltage code. Air box was stock but the car had been sitting for a couple of weeks.
During the time that it sat it didn't have a battery tender attached, is that right, mlee?
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Old 03-04-2014, 05:49 PM   #237
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Disappointing to hear such a key system is reliant on a particular grounding point. You'd like to think that switching to this type of system should include some additional safety ground straps.

That said, this is another instance of installation of an aftermarket part having unintended consequences.

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Old 03-04-2014, 05:53 PM   #238
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Yeah, when it happened to me they said I had a low voltage code. Air box was stock but the car had been sitting for a couple of weeks.

So in not sure if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing? Be nice, lol.


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Old 03-04-2014, 06:54 PM   #239
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Disappointing to hear such a key system is reliant on a particular grounding point. You'd like to think that switching to this type of system should include some additional safety ground straps.

That said, this is another instance of installation of an aftermarket part having unintended consequences.

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I don't think that the grounding point 'has' to be there, it's just that if you're going to move it, you MUST make sure the area where to attach it is well prepared to insure a good ground contact with the metal.

If I were to mount the ground somewhere else, I would be darned sure to scrape the area right down to bare metal to make absolutely sure that it was contacting the metal directly. You never know what kinds of coatings there may be that 'might' prevent an absolute positive ground.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:23 PM   #240
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Aluminum engines don't help - if I recall aluminum oxide is an insulator. Iron oxide is a conductor. Maybe its just that - metal needed a good scuffing.

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Old 03-04-2014, 08:32 PM   #241
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Picked up the car.

Spoke to the service adviser who said that it had two codes in the BCM (steering wheel angle sensor and multi-axis sensors), but because they found the ground bolt/wire loose they tightened it up.

He also said that the vibrations from the subwoofer probably loosened the bolt and was causing the codes. I looked at him...like really??? He said "yeah I know, I don't buy it either but I am required to recommend that you remove the subwoofer and CAI for best performance"...shook his hand and left.

I'll drive it the next couple days and see what's up. Hopefully it was just that simple!
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Old 03-06-2014, 07:49 AM   #242
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Heard of a couple having this problem but I have not had any issues with my car at all.
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:42 PM   #243
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lmao -sub loosened bolt..wow
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:47 AM   #244
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Aluminum engines don't help - if I recall aluminum oxide is an insulator. Iron oxide is a conductor. Maybe its just that - metal needed a good scuffing.

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Almost 100% of the US uses Alluminum power lines for the grid. It absolutely does conduct electricity. Alluminum is in no way an insulator.
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Almost 100% of the US uses Alluminum power lines for the grid. It absolutely does conduct electricity. Alluminum is in no way an insulator.
Aluminum is a conductor

Aluminum Oxide is not.

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Old 03-18-2014, 10:12 AM   #246
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Vibration can and will loosen things, and unless you know for sure that this bolt was not at a location of high vibration you should probably assume that it is in such a location. Whether it was adequately tightened in the first place or otherwise prevented from loosening is a separate matter.

Any ground associated with a sensor circuit has the potential for causing erroneous signal input to whatever module uses that signal. Garbage in, garbage out doesn't sound like something I want happening within the steering system of any car I'm in.


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Old 03-18-2014, 10:15 AM   #247
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So are all the power steering failures related to this ground wire being altered , is there a pattern forming here.
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:34 AM   #248
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During the time that it sat it didn't have a battery tender attached, is that right, mlee?
No battery tender. It doesn't normally sit long enough to need one.

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So in not sure if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing? Be nice, lol.


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LOL... I was agreeing and just adding it seemed my issue was related to what you were saying.

I'd really like to know what the exact cause is. Someone has to know.

Also, don't think they really did anything to mine but it's never happened since. Just don't have that warm cozy feeling about it.
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:42 AM   #249
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This is the first I've heard/read of this issue with the Camaro's. I was planning on a 2014 ZL1 this summer. Is this enough of a problem that I should reconsider? Is there something I should look for perhaps when taking delivery of the car?
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:44 AM   #250
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This is the first I've heard/read of this issue with the Camaro's. I was planning on a 2014 ZL1 this summer. Is this enough of a problem that I should reconsider? Is there something I should look for perhaps when taking delivery of the car?
I really don't think so. Not sure, but most have been the older 1012,13 cars.
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