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Old 05-13-2009, 01:29 AM   #1
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ONSTAR: Big Brother is watching you!

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Would it surprise you to find out that the FBI might be able to monitor private conversations in your car? A recent court case revealed that the FBI used the popular OnStar system to do just that.

GM cars equipped with OnStar are supposed to be the leading edge of safety and technology. OnStar has run a recent blitz of commercials citing helpless motorists calling in with every type of emergency, from a heart attack to locking the keys inside the car. In the advertising world, OnStar reacts quickly by sending help or even unlocking the car.

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Old 05-13-2009, 02:12 AM   #2
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Honestly I'm really considering discontecting the system. I know I won't use it anyway and would rather not deal with this issue. I know guys who won't use Easy-pass because of the potential of being monitored by big brother. In theory you can be caught speeding by clocking the times between tolls. Paranoid thinking?? Probably, but some people are worried about it. I wish the whole ON-Star system could be deselected from the car. Too me it's a waste to have it at all.
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:15 AM   #3
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i was all ready to come in here and make a joke about you wearing a tinfoil hat, but that is actually pretty scary.
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:19 AM   #4
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MAYBE I CAN HAVE IT TURNED ON SO I COULD FIND OUT WERE VIN#4583 BECAUSE MY DEALER HAS NO CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:35 AM   #5
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First! What's the chances of the FBI listening in on you! If they can, the only reason they would is if you set off their radar for crime, so out of the billions of people in the world... what would be the chances they would listen in on you. Now if the FBI doesn't have anything better to do than waste their time listening to me cuss at stupid drivers, then they won't learn much! Also, even if your deactivated you ONstar and you set off the FBI crime radar... they could still listen.

Another thing, which I concider nice, is if your car gets stolen, like lojack, onstar can track it and has the capability to shut the car down. Now I like this because the car won't end up as a pile of junk when those thiefs try to run from the cops... and if you think that this car won't be a target for joy riders,,, your fooling yourself.

Now with all that in mind and I know I've missed some things, the FBI did have a system called CARIVORE which monitors emails, phone conversations... etc. for certain words that will flag it for review. So if you are paranoid.... I guess you'll just have to move to the mountains and disconnect yourself from the world..... but then again... that might be a red flag also!

I wonder how many people after reading this thread will go........ hhhmmm!
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:47 AM   #6
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:47 AM   #7
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I think it's not the idea that the "MAN" would listen in or intrude in your privacy. I really do believe the goverment has better things to do. I think the possibility of intrusion however small the chance will turn some people off. Most of us won't mind but some certainly will. When you think about it almost nothing we do is private anymore. Whatever the goverment dosen't know about me my wife will surely tell them. .
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:09 AM   #8
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I will NOT be disconnectig onstar in mine. The FBI are gonna be subjected to thumping bass from my music. I hope their freakin ears bleed. Damn you Big Brother!
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:16 AM   #9
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I think it's not the idea that the "MAN" would listen in or intrude in your privacy. I really do believe the goverment has better things to do. I think the possibility of intrusion however small the chance will turn some people off. Most of us won't mind but some certainly will. When you think about it almost nothing we do is private anymore. Whatever the goverment dosen't know about me my wife will surely tell them. .

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Old 05-13-2009, 04:29 AM   #10
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Honestly I'm really considering discontecting the system. I know I won't use it anyway and would rather not deal with this issue. I know guys who won't use Easy-pass because of the potential of being monitored by big brother. In theory you can be caught speeding by clocking the times between tolls. Paranoid thinking?? Probably, but some people are worried about it. I wish the whole ON-Star system could be deselected from the car. Too me it's a waste to have it at all.
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:45 AM   #11
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I remember several years ago when the military issued warnings not to discuss classified information in a car equipped with Onstar. You never know who might be listening. There was also another similar warning about cell phones equipped with bluetooth technology.
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:57 AM   #12
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I agree, I hate big brother. But they can invade your privacy without court orders through the patriot act way easier.

They can point crap at your house and listen for years. If out of the millions of people in the country you are on their radar you are screwed anyway.

Be more concerned about "The History of your driving" through the computer on board the car. If you hit someone at they believe you were driving too fast they can use it against you.

Hey maybe American Idol will be listening through Onstar for next years contestant, I can rip out a pretty good Stairway to Heaven. Do they take 39 year olds?
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Old 05-13-2009, 06:09 AM   #13
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Like someone has already mentioned, if big brother has you on their hit list, then OnStar is the least of your worries.



If some OnStar schmuck wants to just be nosey and turn on my microphone... Well, I guess he can listen to my blaring music or rumbling exhaust too.
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Old 05-13-2009, 06:30 AM   #14
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MAYBE I CAN HAVE IT TURNED ON SO I COULD FIND OUT WERE VIN#4583 BECAUSE MY DEALER HAS NO CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This man is using his brains

that is kind of scary, would suck for all the wrecked camaro insurance claims like when that other dude tried drifting and bent his axle.

"sir you were going 86 in a 25mph zone when you had that accident" lol
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Old 05-13-2009, 06:37 AM   #15
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I don't do anything illegal, (aside from speed, and the occasional burnout) so i don't have to worry about anything. Besides, i've had OnStar in my Cobalt for the last three years, and haven't had any problems. In fact, its saved my ass a couple of times!
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Old 05-13-2009, 07:22 AM   #16
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MAYBE I CAN HAVE IT TURNED ON SO I COULD FIND OUT WERE VIN#4583 BECAUSE MY DEALER HAS NO CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahaha that is a GREAT idea. Same here. I didn't even think of asking them that. Neither my dealer nor GM's CSR's seem to know where my car is either. Maybe its time we all took a trip to Oshawa. Whoops! No car! DAMMIT!
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Old 05-13-2009, 07:32 AM   #17
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First off, the whole privacy issue with OnStar has never really been addressed in a court of law that I am aware of, and yes, it does concern me as an American citizen. About the same as my privacy on any other form of communication. With that said, what in the hell are they going to here from me?

Here is an example transcript that the FeeBees or NSA will have to dedicate expensive man-hours to:

Me - "Hey babe, what's for dinner?"
Wife - "I don't know. What sounds good to you?"
Me - "Pizza?"
Wife - "o.k., love you!"
Me - "Love you too!"

End of call

Me - "Hey babe, what ya wearing?"
Girlfriend - "Nothing but a smile!"
Me - "I'll be right over."
Girlfriend - "Don't be late!"
Me - "This will have to be quick, we're having pizza tonight."
Girlfriend - "Baby, I'll make your toes curl in under 10 minutes!"
Me - "Pulling into the driveway now!"

End of call
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Old 05-13-2009, 07:34 AM   #18
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that's funny

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This man is using his brains
I already thought of this weeks ago. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17865
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Old 05-13-2009, 07:35 AM   #19
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I think the main point is that if the FBI is listening in on OnStar then they are listening in on your cell phone, home phone, and email also.
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First off, the whole privacy issue with OnStar has never really been addressed in a court of law that I am aware of, and yes, it does concern me as an American citizen. About the same as my privacy on any other form of communication. With that said, what in the hell are they going to here from me?

Here is an example transcript that the FeeBees or NSA will have to dedicate expensive man-hours to:

Me - "Hey babe, what's for dinner?"
Wife - "I don't know. What sounds good to you?"
Me - "Pizza?"
Wife - "o.k., love you!"
Me - "Love you too!"

End of call

Me - "Hey babe, what ya wearing?"
Girlfriend - "Nothing but a smile!"
Me - "I'll be right over."
Girlfriend - "Don't be late!"
Me - "This will have to be quick, we're having pizza tonight."
Girlfriend - "Baby, I'll make your toes curl in under 10 minutes!"
Me - "Pulling into the driveway now!"

End of call
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The only time the FBI would want to listen to me in my car is if they need help going to sleep. Surely they would be bored to death. Bring on Big Brother. RT will blast BB with his patented sleep ray and the battle will be over.
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Old 05-13-2009, 08:15 AM   #22
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"I know a guy"...

Who was trying to "track" his cheating wife and somehow "persuaded" On-Star to track the location of his GMC Yukon in which she had possession. Not sure what he told them to get the location, but he must have lied to them in some form.

He's now divorced...
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if you guys are really concerned it would be very easy to connect an led to the positive mic lead. When the mic comes on so would the led. Well that is unless the mics are always in the on state....

This way you can still have the onstar but know when someone is trying to listen in. I still find this very unlikly but i do think it may be boarding americans constiutional rights.
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:40 AM   #24
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I know when you "activate" OnStar it normally makes some sounds and starts talking to you.. so if they "activate" it without you knowing it does it bypass the normal OnStar startup? I doubt its true that they auto tap it while you are driving, but if you use the phone feature available with OnStar they could monitor that as its the same as using a cell phone.
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It's not just bigbrother watching you, your insurance co will also attain records... good luck if your going to do trackdays or 1/4 mile runs. If your into posing no need to disconect..
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