ZL1 vs Z06

[nanokpsi]

Originally Posted by mlee

...so I guess that renders it null and void...

No..it just makes the comparison meaningless.....

Do you REALLY think the ZL1 is only a second off the ZR1 at VIR?

I think looking at the historical data for the LL is crap anyways. Road course variations due to weather and track surface are much greater than drag srtip variances, and just look at those results thus far.

[KKreme15]

Surprised Dragoneye hasn't banned speedmon

[sammyv]

I think the ZL1 brakes may be a better set up for tracking than the stock brakes I had on my 2009 ZO6.

[Jamie Mac]

Originally Posted by KKreme15

Surprised Dragoneye hasn't banned speedmon

Maybe he's allowing a discussion to continue. Not every conversation can be with people that just agree with you. Well, not at my income level it can't.

[rmyers]

On a road course, it would depend on the year Z06. I suspect a 2012 Z06 would be a 2012 ZL1. As a former owner of an 08 Z06, I can tell you that the seat of my pants says my Z06 was quicker off the line, than my ZL1. All officela 0-60 times will bear that out. However, if you look at what a 2009 ZR1 ran on the 'ring', you would be pleasantly surprised to know that it is about the same time as the ZL1 ran. Year to Year, the Z06 or ZR1 will always outperform a stock ZL1.

My ZL1 in its current configuration would likely beat my stock 08 Z06, but its no longer stock!

[Sajonf]

^^ Not quite - the 09 ZR1 ran 7:26 and the ZL1 ran 7:41. 15 seconds is a long time.

[Camaro_Corvette]

I this thread!

rmyers, nice sig pic. I plan on that exact stable for my own garage.

[speedmon]

Originally Posted by KKreme15

Surprised Dragoneye hasn't banned speedmon

Ya know they put Galileo in jail and he spent most of his life under arrest because he told folks that the world was round and that really ruffled them because they knew it was flat.

There are very few production cars that can "out of the box" endure the punishment and heat associated with even "light" club racing.
Ferrari is one, as are 2 door Porsches...as their equipment is race spec.

Z06s (&GS6sp), S2000s, EVOs and Subs have brakes that won't last a day at the track and need upgrades. But that is all these cars need to spin laps for 25 minutes.

Could the ZL1 be a car that could join the above groups...maybe....I guess we'll see when they show up.

[rmyers]

Originally Posted by Sajonf

^^ Not quite - the 09 ZR1 ran 7:26 and the ZL1 ran 7:41. 15 seconds is a long time.

My mistake. I was referencing a source that apparently was mistaken. It showed the 09 ZR1 at 7:41. It wasn't the official GM time. It was someone else doing a test.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eife_lap_times

[speedmon]

Just to lighten it up...
Mostly I see folks taking the ZL1 to the Dragstrip......
Its not always about weight.....so

So whats faster at the strip....the ZL1 or the 4.8L Silverado (4700lbs?)
Single Turbo, ZR1 camshaft......10.8...no shots.
I'll keep an eye out for the ZL1 to get close.

[oortcloud]

Livernois did something like 9.8 a few weeks ago. But still, that truck is moving, no doubt!

[speedmon]

And documented! 9.87....gotta love youtube.
4300lbs... what a chubby!

Serious surgery on the motor and 16lbs of boost! Monster torque....next move would be a 2.3L.
It sounds like an auto...but some drivers can do that with a stick.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by LINMUP

Running in the 10's with a stock Z06 is awsome...but your average Joe isn't going to run those times. Just because one or a handful of guys have run high 10s or very low 11s doesn't meen every Z06 will run that at the track. I know of 2 guys in my area...one with full lengths, CAI, cam, exxhaust and tune with drag radials running mid to high 10s ( and he can drive ) and the other has a CAI and drag radials and his best time is 10.30s, again he can drive aswell...but normally he's an 11.5-11.7 guy. Regardless...the Z06 is not a 10.9 car in everyones hands...a few maybe...most, no.

Agreed....there are very few Rangers and Evan Smiths in either camp.

[isnider]

I am still waiting on my ZL1 (can't wait) and I currently own a ZR1 that I track at VIR every few weeks. While I love how the ZR1 gets around the track and the Z06 I owned before that, I am really looking forward to something different. The ZR1 and Z06 are almost too easy to run faster than than just about anything else on the track. I intend to track the ZL1 and am really looking forward to learning the dynamics of the car and how to drive it fast.

I think what everyone is forgetting is that every car has its own personality and it is just plain fun meeting someone new...I was at VIR for the press days when they introduced the ZL1 and appears to be a very capable track car. The only thing they seemed to have skipped is the dry sump which surprises me. That being said, there are several guys that track base Corvettes without dry sumps and just run a quart high per the owners manual without any problems.

I was wondering if the camaro owners manual recommends running an extra quart of oil also for track days?

By the way, the only American car that can run with a Z06 or ZR1 is a Viper ACR, it is not even fair to compare anything else....

Ian

[Blue Menace]

Originally Posted by isnider

I think what everyone is forgetting is that every car has its own personality and it is just plain fun meeting someone new...I was at VIR for the press days when they introduced the ZL1 and appears to be a very capable track car. The only thing they seemed to have skipped is the dry sump which surprises me. That being said, there are several guys that track base Corvettes without dry sumps and just run a quart high per the owners manual without any problems.

Ian

Darn good point and my sentiments exactly! Being able to (being forced to) learn the ins and outs of this car is what continually attracts me. Learning how to handle so much power sounds exhilarating.

[1MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by speedmon

Ok..then I stand corrected.

A few months back when we did some auto trans testing for the "G", I was shown a schematic of the ZL1 power train with an auto......there were no cooler lines running to and from the diff and no pump, and no cooler.

Maybe if someone has a picture of the ZL1 diff with the cooler they could post....I'm curious as to where they put the cooler and where they put the pump.

The ZL1 diff is in the cooling circuit for the tranny so it uses the same cooler as the tranny. There are cooling lines running from the front cooler to the diff and the diff to the tranny. There is not a separate pump - no need for it.

[speedraider]

Last night, I had a zl1 pull up to me at a light , He got destroyed in seconds in my ls3. I was surprised how slow it really was. reminded me of a mustang on the street, just spun

[bkatzman]

That sucks?

[WheelmanSS]

Originally Posted by speedraider

Last night, I had a zl1 pull up to me at a light , He got destroyed in seconds in my ls3. I was surprised how slow it really was. reminded me of a mustang on the street, just spun

cool story, bro

[rmyers]

Originally Posted by speedraider

Last night, I had a zl1 pull up to me at a light , He got destroyed in seconds in my ls3. I was surprised how slow it really was. reminded me of a mustang on the street, just spun

Well your LS3, must not be stock if its in a Camaro, and/or the ZL1 driver did not know how to drive his car. There is nothing slow about a mid 11 sec stock car. Unless of course you are driving a 10 sec, modded car. Apples and Oranges?

[LINMUP]

Originally Posted by rmyers

Well your LS3, must not be stock if its in a Camaro, and/or the ZL1 driver did not know how to drive his car. There is nothing slow about a mid 11 sec stock car. Unless of course you are driving a 10 sec, modded car. Apples and Oranges?

I'm guessing by his avatar he is in a Vette...which is about 1000lbs lighter than a ZL1

[kbar4782]

Even so. Destroyed? Something is wrong JMO

[rmyers]

Pretty sure a stock LS3 Corvette will not run an 11 sec 1/4 mile. So yeah something was wrong, and likely driver error in the ZL1. Using launch control, even on the street, the ZL1 will have no trouble getting traction.

[LINMUP]

Originally Posted by kbar4782

Even so. Destroyed? Something is wrong JMO

Here's my take on it....back when Ford brought the GT500 back out (2007?) one of the mags ( Car and Driver or one of those ) pitted it against an LS2 Corvette...drag strip, road course etc....the 400hp Vette ATE the 505hp GT500...I think it was close to a second faster in the 1/4 ( maybe less but it laid a beating on the Ford ). Sometimes the much lighter car making less HP with a good driver can beat up the big heavy more powerful brute...David vs Goliath. Don't forget that the 11.9 runs that the ZL1 did were " best of the day " runs....on average the ZL1 will be a low to mid 12sec car. If I owned a ZL1 the only car I would accept a loss from is a Vette.

[LINMUP]

Originally Posted by rmyers

Pretty sure a stock LS3 Corvette will not run an 11 sec 1/4 mile. So yeah something was wrong, and likely driver error in the ZL1. Using launch control, even on the street, the ZL1 will have no trouble getting traction.

My buddy works at the shipping yard in Oshawa and says the ZL1 are tough to control sometimes...especially if the traction control has been disabled ( holdind the button for 10seconds will do it )