Matte Black Rims fading? *Pics*

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Have you ever owned matte wheels? I have.

I have not. Did this happen to you with your previous matte wheels?

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by camaro_RS

I have not. Did this happen to you with your previous matte wheels?

I don't use harsh stuff on my wheels so they are perfect. But I have personally seen what harsh chemicals do to matte finishes. Looks just like the OP pics.

Google "matte black paint care" and read up on how much of a pain in the ass it is to maintain a car with a custom matte black paint job. Why do you think wheels would be any different?

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

I don't use harsh stuff on my wheels so they are perfect. But I have personally seen what harsh chemicals do to matte finishes. Looks just like the OP pics.

Google "matte black paint care" and read up on how much of a pain in the ass it is to maintain a car with a matte black paint. Why do you think wheels would be any different?

Because I think it would be somewhat different. A lot of things can be matte black and be taken care of....even when using car wash soap (which is the only thing the OP said has been on his wheels). What about matte black stripes? Painted matte black pieces such as taillight bezels or bowties? Trunk lid blackouts? All of these things don't fade (in the same running, uneven fashion as the OP's wheels) just when someone takes their car to a car wash.

I would just think the wheels would have a more durable paint job to be able to hold up to some soap from a car wash. Do matte black wheels not have a clear coat over them? Maybe then I can understand how they get ruined so quickly. But either way if they can't hold up to local car washes I don't see them being near what the OP paid for them.

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by camaro_RS

Because I think it would be somewhat different. A lot of things can be matte black and be taken care of....even when using car wash soap (which is the only thing the OP said has been on his wheels). What about matte black stripes? Painted matte black pieces such as taillight bezels or bowties? Trunk lid blackouts? All of these things don't fade (in the same running, uneven fashion as the OP's wheels) just when someone takes their car to a car wash.

I would just think the wheels would have a more durable paint job to be able to hold up to some soap from a car wash. Do matte black wheels not have a clear coat over them? Maybe then I can understand how they get ruined so quickly. But either way if they can't hold up to local car washes I don't see them being near what the OP paid for them.

Most of the things you mentioned are vinyl, not paint or powder coat.


Looks like someone else got got this week! DON'T GO TO CAR WASHES! You don't know exactly what they are spraying on your car.

http://mustangforums.com/forum/2010-...ar-wheels.html

[Birm]

Originally Posted by awfarley

There are some obvious streaks where something has ran down them.

Originally Posted by spacecowby

Agreed with everyone else with some sort of chemical damage. I used to have matte black rockstars and I would put some Adams VRT on them. Still kept them matte looking but just a little bit of shine, might try that as a temporary fix.

VRT worked pretty well on mine as well.

Originally Posted by Andys562

Ok, I'm quite angry now. The wheels costed me $1,800 plus $100 for installation so we're looking at almost $2,000 for the total cost of buying the wheels, mounting them, etc.

Should I let the carwash know? Can I take legal action for them damaging my wheels?

Nope, probably not.

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

I know for my car wash at least they don't take liability for any damages or stolen goods. If they don't have a sign like that posted, then I would certainly bring it up with them.

Originally Posted by TaylorRyanSS

Car wash? Thats your first problem. Those look really bad, like the finish was eaten off. I would first talk to Forgestar... you have a 1 year finish warranty. It looks like some chemical ate it away so they probably won't cover it. Just plastidip them and stay away from car washes.

Originally Posted by edgehead2000

Super VRT and Quick Sealant.

Have ability to breath life back into matte finishes.

This!!

Originally Posted by camaro_RS

Harsh chemicals smarsh chemicals. I don't buy it. It shouldn't matter what soaps, wheel cleaners, chemicals, or car washes you go through your wheels shouldn't do that. If they were really that susceptible to soaps at car washes, the manufacturer should have sent instructions to not use them. Tons of wheels go through car washes and get these soaps and cleaners on them and nothing happens to them...and they especially don't fade like that. It looks to me like cheap paint or something else.

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Have you ever owned matte wheels? I have.

[Sevn86]

They look horrible!

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by Birm

VRT worked pretty well on mine as well.



Nope, probably not.






This!!

Boy...you were a lot of help....not.

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Most of the things you mentioned are vinyl, not paint or powder coat.


Looks like someone else got got this week! DON'T GO TO CAR WASHES! You don't know exactly what they are spraying on your car.

http://mustangforums.com/forum/2010-...ar-wheels.html

Damn, that stinks. Must not be clear coated? Because in reading another Camaro5 thread after googling "matte black paint care" like you said I found where others mentioned you should be able to treat any matte/flat black paint the same as any other paint as long as it has been clear coated. Which means (from what they were saying) any soap, cleaner/method of cleaning can be used as if you were washing the paint on your car. One person in the Mustang forum mentioned that it could be the painting methods used by Forgestar? Has anyone else with a different brand of wheels (painted matte black) had this problem?

Like I said before, either way (be it the car wash soap or not that caused this), what the OP stated he paid for the wheels....and probably the Mustang owner....is definitely not worth it IMO(call them cheaply made or overpriced) if some car wash soap is going to do that to the finish.

[SUX2BU]

Originally Posted by camaro_RS

Damn, that stinks. Must not be clear coated? Because in reading another Camaro5 thread after googling "matte black paint care" like you said I found where others mentioned you should be able to treat any matte/flat black paint the same as any other paint as long as it has been clear coated. Which means (from what they were saying) any soap, cleaner/method of cleaning can be used as if you were washing the paint on your car. One person in the Mustang forum mentioned that it could be the painting methods used by Forgestar? Has anyone else with a different brand of wheels (painted matte black) had this problem?

Like I said before, either way (be it the car wash soap or not that caused this), what the OP stated he paid for the wheels....and probably the Mustang owner....is definitely not worth it IMO(call them cheaply made or overpriced) if some car wash soap is going to do that to the finish.

These aren't painted they are powder coated. Don't know if they make a clear powder coat, but I would think that would defeat the purpose of the matte finish.

I've seen a couple different wheels that were ruined with harsh chemicals, so I don't think it's a Forgestar problem.

[edgehead2000]

Read the old thread I started a while back: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193637

Specifically the post by Adam's with this picture:

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

These aren't painted they are powder coated. Don't know if they make a clear powder coat, but I would think that would defeat the purpose of the matte finish.

I've seen a couple different wheels that were ruined with harsh chemicals, so I don't think it's a Forgestar problem.

Right on, man. I wasn't aware how vulnerable the matte powder coating finish can be to soaps/chemicals. I've never had anything powder coated myself.

And you're right about this happening to other wheels....like the thread below. But I'm kind of suprised we haven't seen more threads like this one...especially with the stock wheels that a lot of people have been having powder coated flat/matte black and even white.

Originally Posted by edgehead2000

Read the old thread I started a while back: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193637

Specifically the post by Adam's with this picture:

You never followed up in the thread how you got the finish on your wheels fixed....if you got them fixed? Did you use the VRT like you said in the thread? Did it work? It might help the OP with what to do with his wheels.

[memnon]

Okay are some here are some answers. Not all semi gloss powder is UV treated. Semi gloss was designed primairly for indoor fixtures originally. Depending on the gloss factor the finish can be porus. The more porus the finish the more suseptable it will be to break down by other chemicals. Not all semi gloss have the same gloss factor either. The 60% gloss will hold up better than the 40% gloss in oudoor applications. The other thing is the type of powder too. Typically powder used for wheels is a Urethane Polyester but there are Epoxy's, TGIC's, and many others and you can't tell what was used by just looking at it. First thing is to work with the manufacture and have them strip and re-finish them. If it happens again they're using the wrong stuff or the wrong process.

Lastly I'm not a huge matte finish fan for these reasons but, car polish works great on powder coated wheels. The cleaner waxes do a great job of removing hard brake dust, tar and other road enemies the wheel might encounter. The polish will shine up the matte finish a little but it won't look like the finish is coming off and will give it a little protection to boot....

[camaro_RS]

[QUOTE=memnon;5054828] First thing is to work with the manufacture and have them strip and re-finish them. If it happens again they're using the wrong stuff or the wrong process.
QUOTE]

This is what I was questioning earlier! But other guys were saying it wasn't a question of the manufacturer using the wrong stuff or process....but it was the OP's fault in having local car wash soap put on his wheels. What do you think? Manufacturer...or OP?

[edgehead2000]

You never followed up in the thread how you got the finish on your wheels fixed....if you got them fixed? Did you use the VRT like you said in the thread? Did it work? It might help the OP with what to do with his wheels.

Yes, the vrt helps a lot. It will do as the Adam's picture suggests by blending in the black and also rid them of water spots. I will ALWAYS use this from now on since it also protects against Uv rays, prolonging the paint life.

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by edgehead2000

Yes, the vrt helps a lot. It will do as the Adam's picture suggests by blending in the black and also rid them of water spots. I will ALWAYS use this from now on since it also protects against Uv rays, prolonging the paint life.

Awesome, man! Good to find a solution!

[Andys562]

Can someone link me to that VRT stuff and the quick sealant? What exactly is it and how is it applied?

[SGOS252382]

I wonder if any of the guys with Matte finished Nurburgrings are having these issues (should ask Pardre). I know lots of guy are running them. I'm in the market for some 18" wheels, and I'm considering the Forgestars.
I also recently had surgery on my ankle and I've been relying on touchless wash.

Matte Nurburgrings for comparion.

[edgehead2000]

Originally Posted by Andys562

Can someone link me to that VRT stuff and the quick sealant? What exactly is it and how is it applied?

Adam's VRT: http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-510-a...rim-combo.aspx

Adam's quick sealant: http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-701-a...k-sealant.aspx

I usually buy when they are on special (Specials Tab). The 'How To's' videos are included for almost every product they sell too.

[Rhyder]

Originally Posted by camaro_RS

Harsh chemicals smarsh chemicals. I don't buy it. It shouldn't matter what soaps, wheel cleaners, chemicals, or car washes you go through your wheels shouldn't do that. If they were really that susceptible to soaps at car washes, the manufacturer should have sent instructions to not use them. Tons of wheels go through car washes and get these soaps and cleaners on them and nothing happens to them...and they especially don't fade like that. It looks to me like cheap paint or something else.

even the wheel cleaners instruct you to first try it on a small area and see if it causes dmage. One would think that if they have to put that warning on it then there is some chance of it fading or damaging the wheel and they want to cover themselves from complaints wouldnt you?

And the heavy tire cleaners have always had instructions not to get it on your wheels, and if you do to wash immediatly.....that also doesnt sound like a warning that it can cause damage I suppose.


I agree that I dont think a car wash did that amount of damage, but you stated "soaps, wheel cleaners, chemicals, or car washes you go through " and stating that wheel cleaners or chemicals cant damage your wheels is just plain incorrect.

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by Rhyder

I agree that I dont think a car wash did that amount of damage, but you stated "soaps, wheel cleaners, chemicals, or car washes you go through " and stating that wheel cleaners or chemicals CANT damage your wheels is just plain incorrect.

I gotcha, man.

But I didn't say "can't"....I said they "shouldn't" (if you look at my post you're quoting) damage the wheels. When I pay that kind of money I would want to assume something like that wouldn't damage my wheels when there are many, many other wheels out there not being damaged/faded by the same soaps, chemicals, etc.

[Andys562]

Ok, I'm going to head to the carwash and look for any sign that says they're not liable for damage. I'm quite upset because I paid a good amount for these wheels.

[2010CamaroSSRS]

the wheels were either painted cheap / or the wrong chemicals were used on the wheels.
there for sure not powder coated.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by Andys562

Ok, I'm going to head to the carwash and look for any sign that says they're not liable for damage. I'm quite upset because I paid a good amount for these wheels.

I would get them powder coated black. It sucks to have to get your wheel re-done, but that's what I'd do.
For a few hunderd bucks you can get them looking bad axx again.

[Avalnch]

OP, I would go back to your wheel vendor and manufacturer and ask them for recommended cleaning practices for your specific wheel. Did they come with any warnings about not going to a car wash or not to use wheel cleaners? If they didn't then a lot of the onus should be on them to warn customers how to maintain their wheels.

My 2cents.

[camaro_RS]

Originally Posted by Avalnch

Did they come with any warnings about not going to a car wash or not to use wheel cleaners? If they didn't then a lot of the onus should be on them to warn customers how to maintain their wheels.

My 2cents.

This was along the lines of what I was thinking also.