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Old 05-15-2009, 04:50 PM   #26
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most people i know who own a e85 vehicle use regular gas. doesnt make sense to me.
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Old 05-15-2009, 06:56 PM   #27
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most people i know who own a e85 vehicle use regular gas. doesnt make sense to me.
We use regular gas because E-85 is not readily available. I have only seen 2 stations that carry it in the last 2 years I have had my Silverado, and they are no where near my home or work.
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Old 05-15-2009, 07:37 PM   #28
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We use regular gas because E-85 is not readily available. I have only seen 2 stations that carry it in the last 2 years I have had my Silverado, and they are no where near my home or work.
Ditto. The only ones here in Michigan have been the local Meijers stations, and it's a wash either way between unleaded and e85. So for us it's not a matter of availability, but price.

But now since 87 has gone above e85 again, I can see that changing for a few people. The rest are just lemming retards that jumped on the green train for the little badge on the bumper.
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:00 PM   #29
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lol, thats funny. He is right you need to actually read instead of just posting the poppy cock you hear floating around the media. This is exactly why the media sucks so bad. They say shit, people listen and it gets stuck in their brains. In turn people hear a different truth and it is to late at this point becuase their point of view is already tarnished.
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:54 PM   #30
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:00 PM   #31
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They are trying to get rid of E85 here in Tejas. Tortilla wars. (sounds like a joke but it's not lol).

In Mexico people buy stack of corn torts on the way home. It's a staple.

I like Hydrogen potential more. We need Nuke and wind to make it with high voltage. There needs to be like a promitory point, a shore to shore chain of Hydrogen stations.

E85 is like rotgut the engines don't last near as long as on good Iraqi or Iranian swill (yes I am spoiled being near a coastal refinery). Maint costs higher than Hydrogen.
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:05 PM   #32
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Vash do you know how to speak english. Reading your post was like reading something a 2nd grader wrote!
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:29 PM   #33
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Ditto. The only ones here in Michigan have been the local Meijers stations, and it's a wash either way between unleaded and e85. So for us it's not a matter of availability, but price.

But now since 87 has gone above e85 again, I can see that changing for a few people. The rest are just lemming retards that jumped on the green train for the little badge on the bumper.
The closest E85 station I know of is 60 miles from here. Drive to the station and back...oh wait, it's on a military base...

That's cool and all, but they do need to make more stations, I've seen a number of E85 vehicles around here.
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:33 PM   #34
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Did you even read the post without this bias? I don't know about you but I don't eat wood chips and corn stalks, nor do I know anyone that does.
I wonder if it would work with old paper products? Could save the news print industry singlehandedly!

If they can make it use pine needles and grass clippings then I'm gonna be the local Jed Clampett!

Now all we need is a Camaro that runs on that!
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:40 PM   #35
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Sounds great and I can't wait for this to happen.
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:44 PM   #36
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You can find an E85 all through out Illinois and Iowa. We are the largest producer of corn. BTW, the ethanol is derived from the oils of the plant that are extracted in order to dry out the corn meal so it can be used as feed for cows and other animals. It does not take corn off of our dinner tables. E85 also has around a 110 octane rating so your 426HP SS will me prob make somewhere closer to 440.
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:56 PM   #37
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this is kinda OT

but if anyone ever tells you that more energy is used to make E85 than it saves is both right and wrong

in the production of ethanol you are using fuel to plant, harvest, transport and refine the grain into ethanol, but once the ethanol is produced the grain is not wasted, for instance corn is used to make ethanol, in the process there is still a byproduct, the corn starch, corn syrup and many others (which are used in almost every food product you can think of) are still remaining to be used in food production. some is used also to feed farm animals too.

the same concept applies for soy based ethanol


damn you snomodude, well now we have two people telling any anti ethanol people what the deal is
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:14 AM   #38
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I'm a caveman. Give me my V8 and 93 octane gasoline and leave me the hell alone. I'm not a scientist. What will be is what will be. This is the same scientific comunity who argues global warming and can't seem to figure out wether an egg is good for you or not. I hope it's all on the up and up and would obviously support it but every book is written with an opinion one way or the other.
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:18 AM   #39
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Any program, that makes fuel from food, is destined to fail.

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Old 05-16-2009, 12:28 AM   #40
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Now if I could just find some E85 for my Tahoe .....
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:30 AM   #41
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You can find an E85 all through out Illinois and Iowa. We are the largest producer of corn. BTW, the ethanol is derived from the oils of the plant that are extracted in order to dry out the corn meal so it can be used as feed for cows and other animals. It does not take corn off of our dinner tables. E85 also has around a 110 octane rating so your 426HP SS will me prob make somewhere closer to 440.
Turn up the boost on a supercharged application. I was reading through this post wondering if and when someone was going to get to this point! Isn't the application just a different calibration file that the vehicle can switch to when it detects the use of E85? This is kind of a no brainer GM!
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:35 AM   #42
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Old 05-16-2009, 05:48 AM   #43
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Vash do you know how to speak english. Reading your post was like reading something a 2nd grader wrote!
Maybe a little hard to read ...but I think Vash is right about it.

Nobody wants to go down this road at this time. It is all but inevitable that some day in the future we will need to stop burning things to make power. I would not predict when it will happen, but have no doubt that it WILL happen.

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Old 05-16-2009, 06:02 AM   #44
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Old 05-16-2009, 06:11 AM   #45
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I'm not sure about the whole E85 engines don't last as long. I kinda doubt that GM would put out so many vehicles that can run on it knowing they would be unreliable a few eyars down the road. It's kinda like intentionally putting out bad press. Plus at one time you may remember that gasoline engines wouldn't last very long if run on unleaded fuel. But we overcame that hurdle.
I would gladly run E85 in my Avy. But I don't even know where there is an E85 station in Toronto. The world DOES have capacity to generate much more corn and other materials to satisfy the eventual E85 demand. We just need to adjust the supply production. If the demand for these source materials (such as corn) goes up and production stays the same then of course there will be shortages and price increases - duh! The governments need to encourage these programs so there will be incentife for growers and station owners to supply the stuff to the public more readily. It's like the OEMs (and specifically GM) is ahead of the curve on this one. Look how many E85 capable vehicles are running around (even Dodges) compared to the population of available E85 stations. I don't know, but I suspect the profit margin on E85 is smaller. Shameful
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But increased HP. Research is a good thing my friend
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Old 05-16-2009, 06:15 AM   #47
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Any program, that makes fuel from food, is destined to fail.

Period.

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Good point....What do you think that would do to the global food prices and not to mention the amount of forrests that would be cleared to grow food for the demand and that also means the green house gases would more then likely go up in those areas. Theres more to think about just getting fuels to burn in our cars.

Heres another point to think about. Henry Ford was the first man to think about fossel fuels were not the way to go. He built the first refinery in the US, but when prohibition hit it was forced to be closed, some say the BIG OIL ( The Rockerfellers) had alot to do with pushing Prohibition laws to protect the somewhat new industry. Get educated and read because the info is out there.
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I am amazed at some the comments. Obviously some of you did not read the article. Please read the intended article before posting, what a concept. Also I did not know there is so many energy/food experts.
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Also I did not know there is so many energy/food experts.


E85 = lower gas mileage, BUT when you start paying $.50/gallon less, who cares? Somewhere along the line, it's going to start paying off.

**.$50/gallon is a random number I made up.
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Any program, that makes fuel from food, is destined to fail.

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Good point....What do you think that would do to the global food prices and not to mention the amount of forrests that would be cleared to grow food for the demand and that also means the green house gases would more then likely go up in those areas. Theres more to think about just getting fuels to burn in our cars.

Heres another point to think about. Henry Ford was the first man to think about fossel fuels were not the way to go. He built the first refinery in the US, but when prohibition hit it was forced to be closed, some say the BIG OIL ( The Rockerfellers) had alot to do with pushing Prohibition laws to protect the somewhat new industry. Get educated and read because the info is out there.


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