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Old 05-17-2009, 03:04 PM   #69
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Are you guys going to be willing to push any more boost on pump gas or are you leaving your kit @ 6psi for warranty/dependability reasons?
i want to know that too!!! i was thinkin of runnin an ls9 cam and 8ilbs.
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:27 PM   #70
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Thats a nice setup. I'll like to see the track results.
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Old 05-18-2009, 12:55 AM   #71
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A good pro dyno Tune should be around $300-400

still doesnt even come close to the 2010 rustang gt500 price (32k base SS vs 46k base Gt500). And it makes 636HP (530rwhp+20% Drivetrain loss) vs gt500's 540hp, lol. Rustang = fail

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20% driveline losses

driveline losses are closer to ~12% for manuals, ~15% for autos lil buddy.
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:12 AM   #72
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I can't believe nobody has asked this... we'll on this site I can.

What are the wheels/tires on there? 18's or 19's with DR's??

1.8X 60' is pretty lame with 530rwhp. (although its not THAT bad as a 'street' setup)

With a good wheel/tire it should go low 11's, easy.
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31000 for ss1 no options and who in the hell would buy a SS1 V6 for kids SS1 for girls LS3 the only way to go G8 Gxp 200lbs more my bad so lets think here 200lb more 27 less hp so 5 tenths slower now 373 gear now mabe 3tenths slower 4 door car sad so so sad
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:31 AM   #73
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Your talking about the 1/4 mile time right?

they used 20" DR's.
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:32 AM   #74
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I can't believe nobody has asked this... we'll on this site I can.

What are the wheels/tires on there? 18's or 19's with DR's??

1.8X 60' is pretty lame with 530rwhp. (although its not THAT bad as a 'street' setup)

With a good wheel/tire it should go low 11's, easy.
did you seriously just say that?
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:31 AM   #75
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well one thing is for sure the motor has way to much play so they better make an engine damper.
it's the mushy motor mounts in an attempt to make the ride more comfortable. so get used to your engine wiggling around
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:19 AM   #76
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So with baselines of 378 at the wheels and 426 at the crank, assuming the same % drivetrain loss, that works out to be 597hp. Work on that tune to get it up to an even 600 hp!!!

Yes I know dynos are just tools for tuning and internet racing but pretty cool nonetheless.
That would be 12% .. It's not possible. Esp when a C5 or C6 is 18% loss .The 2 piece drive shaft will eat up at least another 2% .. the bottom line is the gains are about right but the actual rwhp is way high but typical read from a dynojet dyno .. [ AKA inflatajet ] ..They are only a tuning tool .

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Wow! Now those are some numbers! That'll beat a GT500, and you'll save a couple thousand. But how do you guys think this will affect the MPG?
You should see a slight gain if the tune is on par ..

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I have one question, why is the engine moving around so much? Are the motor mounts loose or something? That doesn't look normal to me.
Normal with that amount of tq .. No worries .

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I am more interested in how much the STOCK block can take. Sure, you can get well over 500 rwhp out of a mustang gt as well, but it sure hell is ill advise unless you build the bottom end up some..rods ect....I am sure that the maro engine, that was not built for F/I will have the same limitations....and we have not even gotten to the drivetrain yet.

All in all though good numbers. Expensive as all out, but good numbers. Heh you could buy a GT500 2010 for what it will cost to get you to those numbers.

Hmm on second thought...what I have seen SS's going for here in S. Fla after the mark ups..a GT500 is cheaper !
I have made 550 whp on a stock motor on our mustang dyno [ gives actual or closer to actual power basicly the math works based on engine dyno vs mustang dyno ] We have seen 600+ with a little Meth injection and a conservative tune .

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forgive me for the dumb question...but those who dont ask dont learn...so whats the difference between rwhp and hp...how is it that you guys are able to calculate these numbers??
about 20% on a 6spd and 24% on an auto [ 6l80e has a higher power requirement to turn then a 4l60e ]

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The one big question, IS IT A FORGED MOTOR? I don't see the power going up or lasting with cast pistons.
at that level it will last at least 100K or more if the proper maintance is done .

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So which is it? I have seen on this forum in another thread (forgot which one) the stock RWHP of the LS3 listed as ~ 348. Here they say 376HP or so. That's a big difference. The other thread said 150 + HP increase resulted in about 480 RWHP @ 6 psi. Who am I to believe?
see above post .

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A good pro dyno Tune should be around $300-400

still doesnt even come close to the 2010 rustang gt500 price (32k base SS vs 46k base Gt500). And it makes 636HP (530rwhp+20% Drivetrain loss) vs gt500's 540hp, lol. Rustang = fail

EDIT: go with a procharger, since its pretty simple to bolt on u can save moneys on labor
EDIT #2: and u can bolt it off when its time for warranty work
while we make great power with a procharger the noise level at idle sucks IMO

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20% driveline losses

driveline losses are closer to ~12% for manuals, ~15% for autos lil buddy.
see above post thats a little low for even 4th gen cars

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I can't believe nobody has asked this... we'll on this site I can.

What are the wheels/tires on there? 18's or 19's with DR's??

1.8X 60' is pretty lame with 530rwhp. (although its not THAT bad as a 'street' setup)

With a good wheel/tire it should go low 11's, easy.
everyone will see once you cross that 1.65 thresh hold in the 60ft wheel hop will start to play a factor then it's time for some pedders action .. I have gone a best of 1.58 in my G8 but average 1.61 .. The maggie makes so much tq at 2600-2800 rpm it's hard to not spin any Drag radial [ I have 5 set's all with different dr's ]

Lastly Nice gains and a nice run the maggie are great as a double duty blower ..
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:24 AM   #77
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:27 AM   #78
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Old 05-18-2009, 09:07 AM   #79
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ok with all the performance enhancing equip I've seen . For the most part its waaaaay to expensive. I mean if you don't own or work at a shop or have disposable income most of these mod's just won't happen. now for those who work blue collor 9-5 jobs this is a working mans camero. Fisrt off we can't afford the v8 so take the v6 and first thing give me a cold air intake for $395.00 and new bigger headers $1895.00 that's at least 20-40 hp. then open the exhaust 1450.00 and away we go now were pushing over 400 with a v6 and haven't broken the bank to get it. I might spend clost to 3g's with parts and labor now all I got to do it pay anothere 3-500 hundred to get it dyno tuned for that great growl and peak perfomance. great car built for less than 30 g's I mean come on who's gonna need 500hbp on the street.

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Old 05-18-2009, 09:16 AM   #80
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So, we are talking a 10sec camaro if u had a decent rear gear ratio. SWEET!

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Old 05-18-2009, 10:47 AM   #81
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This car will be a beast!!! What I don't know is if the rear axle (half shafts) is strong enough to handle all that rwhp with DRs at ¼ mile track.
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Old 05-18-2009, 12:01 PM   #82
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ok with all the performance enhancing equip I've seen . For the most part its waaaaay to expensive. I mean if you don't own or work at a shop or have disposable income most of these mod's just won't happen. now for those who work blue collor 9-5 jobs this is a working mans camaro. Fisrt off we can't afford the v8 so take the v6 and first thing give me a cold air intake for $395.00 and new bigger headers $1895.00 that's at least 20-40 hp. then open the exhaust 1450.00 and away we go now were pushing over 400 with a v6 and haven't broken the bank to get it. I might spend clost to 3g's with parts and labor now all I got to do it pay anothere 3-500 hundred to get it dyno tuned for that great growl and peak perfomance. great car built for less than 30 g's I mean come on who's gonna need 500hbp on the street.
Let me see if I can save you $1000 of that $1450 exhaust! If you get the right headers (AR, for example) they will go all the way back to the stock mufflers. So, instead, pick your favorite axle back or better yet....pick your favorite muffler with tips and bolt those on. MUCH cheaper and will sound just as good! just my 2 cents...
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1.8X 60' is pretty lame with 530rwhp. (although its not THAT bad as a 'street' setup)

With a good wheel/tire it should go low 11's, easy.
Have you ever launched a car that probably weighs over 4000lbs (incl driver) with stock suspension on a 20" drag radial? I do it all the time (Well, launch a 4Klb car, but not on a 20" drag radial) and yes, 1.8x is not the best 60ft time in the world, but given that only a few passes have been made wit this combo, I'd say they're doing prtty good. I figure you might be able to get in the 1.7x range with the 20" drag radials, but not much better.

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So, we are talking a 10sec camaro if u had a decent rear gear ratio. SWEET!
No, it's going to take more power than that to get into the 10's. These are not light cars and the things that might have worked for folks with 4th Gen cars will not necessarily hold true with the Gen5. You should not be trying to compare what 530rwhp would accomplish in a 4th Gen to what the same power is capable of in the new car.
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did you seriously just say that?
sure did. when 1/2 people have no clue on 60' times, tires, rwhp vs fwhp, cams, et vs mph, hp vs mph vs et, driving and their main arguement is GT500 vs SS+ blower vs $$$ among other things.... lame.


damn cool to see mid 11 ET's and its damn awesome to see a blown 2010 put together so quicly. It would just be nice to see intelligent comments. I know its too much to ask on the internet though. sorry, 10 years of browsing through the same BS has made me synical.
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31000 for ss1 no options and who in the hell would buy a SS1 V6 for kids SS1 for girls LS3 the only way to go G8 Gxp 200lbs more my bad so lets think here 200lb more 27 less hp so 5 tenths slower now 373 gear now mabe 3tenths slower 4 door car sad so so sad
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Have you ever launched a car that probably weighs over 4000lbs (incl driver) with stock suspension on a 20" drag radial? I do it all the time (Well, launch a 4Klb car, but not on a 20" drag radial) and yes, 1.8x is not the best 60ft time in the world, but given that only a few passes have been made wit this combo, I'd say they're doing prtty good. I figure you might be able to get in the 1.7x range with the 20" drag radials, but not much better.

No, it's going to take more power than that to get into the 10's. These are not light cars and the things that might have worked for folks with 4th Gen cars will not necessarily hold true with the Gen5. You should not be trying to compare what 530rwhp would accomplish in a 4th Gen to what the same power is capable of in the new car.
it takes more than 530rwhp to get into the 10's?? are you joking? 450 rwhp would get 10's on a 4th gen (M6). I bet 530 rwhp and 18" DR's will easily get in the 10's in good weather

i apologize, i missed the 20" DR's. I thought they looked smaller in the video.

obviously its all relative... a 5th gen on 20's isn't going to lay down impressive ET vs rwhp. its just comical to see people j i z z over something that is nothing more than expected.

anyone that spends 1500 on a cat-back or headers is a freaking moron. You can get a set of mufflers for $100 and have them welded in/installed and get the same or better sound/hp for 1/10th the price. you could also probalby go to home depot and make a CAI for $50. the aftermarket companies are going to rape people until there is a decent supply of aftermarket parts for the 5th gen.
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