Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Phastek Performance
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Technical Camaro Topics > Cosmetic Maintenance: Washing, Waxing, Detailing, Bodywork, Protection

Cosmetic Maintenance: Washing, Waxing, Detailing, Bodywork, Protection Anything related to keeping your Camaro clean and in good cosmetic condition.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-11-2012, 07:54 PM   #1
spacecowby
 
spacecowby's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 black 2SS/RS
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: New York
Posts: 624
Long Lasting Paint Sealant

My car stays outside all the time so I am looking for the longest lasting sealant. I am looking at Blackfire wet diamond, chemical guys blacklight or jetseal, or menzerna power lock. As anyone had any experiences with these or other long lasting sealants?
__________________

Black cars are not hobbies, they are an obsession
spacecowby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 08:17 PM   #2
Angelo@Autopia

 
Angelo@Autopia's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Ford Focus ST
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Tampa Bay
Posts: 936
If your looking for a product that will last 6-12 months then look no further, the Optimum Opti-Coat 2.0 Permanent Paint Coating. This is the one product that will protect and last a very long time. The other products you mention are a great form of LSP's and they last between 3-6 months if taken care of.
Angelo@Autopia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 09:35 PM   #3
Iomcamaro
The enjoyment never ends
 
Iomcamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 1LT/RS IOM #25223
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NKY
Posts: 989
I opti coated my car today. Write up coming tomorrow.
Iomcamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 09:44 PM   #4
Supermaro585HP
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2011 Camaro SS RS
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 1,188
I'm very interested.. Does this stuff really last 6 to 12 months?????
Supermaro585HP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 09:50 PM   #5
el ess A
formerly "el ess X"
 
el ess A's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 & 2013 Camaros
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Aiken, SC
Posts: 3,153
Zaino has excellent longevity.
__________________
2010/2013 Camaro

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=26108&dateline=139490  3951
el ess A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 10:12 PM   #6
Iomcamaro
The enjoyment never ends
 
Iomcamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 1LT/RS IOM #25223
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NKY
Posts: 989
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermaro585HP View Post
I'm very interested.. Does this stuff really last 6 to 12 months?????
Longer. It last forever unless it is abraded off by a polish. It is basically like adding another clear coat to your paint except it is harder and more scratch resistant. It is created by one of the inventors of moder clear coats. Dr G. from Optimum Technologies. He is the CEO of that company and if you call there you can talk to him personally.
Iomcamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2012, 06:30 AM   #7
Angelo@Autopia

 
Angelo@Autopia's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Ford Focus ST
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Tampa Bay
Posts: 936
Yes, this product will last over a year, I like to say to everyone you will get at least 12 months.
Angelo@Autopia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2012, 06:59 AM   #8
Todd@Autopia


 
Todd@Autopia's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Mazdaspeed 3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Orlando/Stuart, FL
Posts: 1,161
Quote:
Originally Posted by spacecowby View Post
My car stays outside all the time so I am looking for the longest lasting sealant. I am looking at Blackfire wet diamond, chemical guys blacklight or jetseal, or menzerna power lock. As anyone had any experiences with these or other long lasting sealants?
Of the one's listed above, BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond AFPP should last the longest, particularly given that the entire line is designed around the same polymer system, so everything you do (washing, quick detailing) with additional BLACKFIRE products will continue to add durability.

If you want more durability, then I would consider Duragloss or Finish Kare 1000P. Assuming that you are dealing with a lot of direct sun and salty air, Finish Kare 1000P will last a long, long time.

As Angelo, suggested, Opti-Coat 2.0 is a semi-permanent option, that adds a coating to the paint that will easily last over a year, and likely will last for several years (perhaps the life of the car).
Todd@Autopia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2012, 08:05 PM   #9
ChadG

 
ChadG's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Black Camaro LS
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1,618
Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd@Autopia View Post
Of the one's listed above, BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond AFPP should last the longest, particularly given that the entire line is designed around the same polymer system, so everything you do (washing, quick detailing) with additional BLACKFIRE products will continue to add durability.

If you want more durability, then I would consider Duragloss or Finish Kare 1000P. Assuming that you are dealing with a lot of direct sun and salty air, Finish Kare 1000P will last a long, long time.

As Angelo, suggested, Opti-Coat 2.0 is a semi-permanent option, that adds a coating to the paint that will easily last over a year, and likely will last for several years (perhaps the life of the car).
I've been using Adam's machine super wax (now machine super sealant) for almost three years now and I like it - but it only lasts 2-3 months on my daily driver that lives outdoors.

I'm very curious about the Opti-Coat 2.0 and am looking forward to seeing a write up - is it a nano-coating? I have been considering trying out Wolf's Body Wrap, can you comment on how the Opti-Coat is similar/different? Looking forward to hearing more.
ChadG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2012, 08:08 PM   #10
2xSSRS

 
2xSSRS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Black on Black L99
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 888
Check with your dealer. Mine offered a paint sealant called Polysteel. It was pricey, but the paint, Black, looks deep and shines great. Recommended waxing only once a year, and the Polysteel company sent me the wax to use. Love it...
__________________
2xSSRS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 09:25 AM   #11
Todd@Autopia


 
Todd@Autopia's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Mazdaspeed 3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Orlando/Stuart, FL
Posts: 1,161
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChadG View Post
I've been using Adam's machine super wax (now machine super sealant) for almost three years now and I like it - but it only lasts 2-3 months on my daily driver that lives outdoors.

I'm very curious about the Opti-Coat 2.0 and am looking forward to seeing a write up - is it a nano-coating? I have been considering trying out Wolf's Body Wrap, can you comment on how the Opti-Coat is similar/different? Looking forward to hearing more.
I cannot compare Wolf's vs. Opti-Coat as I have never used Wolf's.

I can share a little experience with Opti-Coat though. A friend of mine applied it to half of his car. It was his work car. He taped it right down the middle and applied Opti-Coat to the driver's side.

Then, for the next 19 months, and 50k miles, he washed his car weekly using the worst possible products including: engine degreasers, dawn, running it through a touchless car wash, all purpose cleaners, etc. I mean just torchured the paint.

After 19 months the paint on half of the car was still beading like it was just applied.

While Opti-Coat is semi-permanent in the fact that so is paint (nothing lasts for ever) it is supposed to last the life of the paint system. I can tell you it lasts for 19 months of torture no problem.
Todd@Autopia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 12:14 PM   #12
the rich dude

 
Drives: Getting 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,140
How does one remove the opti coat if they get some swirling?
the rich dude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 01:16 PM   #13
Todd@Autopia


 
Todd@Autopia's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Mazdaspeed 3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Orlando/Stuart, FL
Posts: 1,161
Quote:
Originally Posted by the rich dude View Post
How does one remove the opti coat if they get some swirling?
Opti-Coat adds a layer of protection on top of the paint which is measurable to 1 or 2 microns to my understanding. This is considerable considering wax or sealants form layers that are sub-micron.

Any swirling that occurs after application is going to be in the actual Opti-Coat instead of in the paint (provided it doesn't penetrate more than 1-2 microns). The plus side is that Opti-Coat is harder than most paint surfaces as well, so it will be more scratch/swirl resistant as well.

The down side, of course, is that any swirl marks in the paint that are no removed will be 'locked in' because they are coated over.
Todd@Autopia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 10:23 PM   #14
the rich dude

 
Drives: Getting 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,140
So I'm definitely interested in trying this product out but have a few more questions

I like my cars to look like show cars at all times SO say I polish the car/no swirls.

Then I put this opti coat on. Now say after 3-4 months there is some light swirling, can I just grab the flex and start polishing? Now what if in another 3-4 months I need to polish again?? I can I judge how much coating is still on the paint?

After polishing can I throw another coat on of this opti stuff??

Thanks for your time!!
the rich dude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 10:44 PM   #15
Todd@Autopia


 
Todd@Autopia's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Mazdaspeed 3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Orlando/Stuart, FL
Posts: 1,161
Quote:
Originally Posted by the rich dude View Post
So I'm definitely interested in trying this product out but have a few more questions

I like my cars to look like show cars at all times SO say I polish the car/no swirls.

Then I put this opti coat on. Now say after 3-4 months there is some light swirling, can I just grab the flex and start polishing? Now what if in another 3-4 months I need to polish again?? I can I judge how much coating is still on the paint?

After polishing can I throw another coat on of this opti stuff??

Thanks for your time!!
Yes if you have some light polishing you can polish the coating just like you would the paint. Now remember that the surface (once fully cured) is going to to be harder than most paint systems so it may take a little more polishing to remove the swirl marks. The flip-side, of course, is that it is harder to swirl the finish.

If you need to polish the coating again in 3 to 4 months then I would suggest changing your wash technique! But, in the case of hypotheticals, yes you could polish it again. At some point you will begin to remove or thin the coating.

The biggest indicator that the coating has been removed is that the water will no longer bead in that area.

Yes, after polishing, you can apply more coating. In fact the only way to "layer" the coating is to polish it first. Polishing creates microscopic scratch marks in the paint (so fine that we could never see them by eye) that gives the new coat something to grab into. The coating is SO easy to apply (easier than most paint sealants).

You are very welcome.
Todd@Autopia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 11:06 PM   #16
the rich dude

 
Drives: Getting 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,140
I'm getting pretty excited about this stuff

Sounds like a great product for polished aluminum wheels to help keep brake dust from bonding to the wheels??


I'm going to have to get some and do some "testing" on my work truck and also try some on my wife's new car.


If using the Optimum 2 step polish liquids that come in the spray bottles, wich polish would you use for adding another coat of the Opti 2? More aggresive first polish or the 2nd polish?

Sorry for all the questions, just getting all my facts straight
the rich dude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2012, 03:31 AM   #17
ghostrider2
 
ghostrider2's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Bright Yellow ZL1 Vert/M6
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 504
any pics or basics for applying?
__________________
ghostrider2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 11:33 AM   #18
Todd@Autopia


 
Todd@Autopia's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Mazdaspeed 3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Orlando/Stuart, FL
Posts: 1,161
Quote:
Originally Posted by the rich dude View Post
I'm getting pretty excited about this stuff

Sounds like a great product for polished aluminum wheels to help keep brake dust from bonding to the wheels??


I'm going to have to get some and do some "testing" on my work truck and also try some on my wife's new car.


If using the Optimum 2 step polish liquids that come in the spray bottles, wich polish would you use for adding another coat of the Opti 2? More aggresive first polish or the 2nd polish?

Sorry for all the questions, just getting all my facts straight
No problem, the second (finer) polish.
Todd@Autopia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 11:34 AM   #19
Todd@Autopia


 
Todd@Autopia's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Mazdaspeed 3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Orlando/Stuart, FL
Posts: 1,161
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostrider2 View Post
any pics or basics for applying?
Sure, I will get a write-up together soon
Todd@Autopia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 11:49 AM   #20
ghostrider2
 
ghostrider2's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Bright Yellow ZL1 Vert/M6
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 504
thanks.
__________________
ghostrider2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2012, 02:23 PM   #21
the rich dude

 
Drives: Getting 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,140
Your info and help is priceless!!! Thanks a bunch!!!
the rich dude is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.