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Old 06-12-2012, 05:36 PM   #141
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I think they (the media) should draw up a prime-time slot on TV and line 'em up on VIR. Put 5 ZL1s vs. 5 GT500's with pro racers. I'd buy it on PPV. I'd even place my bet on the winner.
I would so rent that. The winner wouldn't matter to me.
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:37 PM   #142
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I would so rent that. The winner wouldn't matter to me.
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Doesn't negate the fact that 4/10s faster to 60 is still a big deal. On smaller tires. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the GT500 on the roadcourse yet. Time will tell which one eill be faster in the hands of an experienced driver.
You could be right. We all need to start practicing.

But for most drivers the easier to drive ZL1 would be the road course choice for the occasional track day guy or girl.
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Sorry, I don't buy it. Although I respect and understand your logic.

If the gt500 was the superior car on the road track then the Inside Line review is way way way off-base.

I think they (the media) should draw up a prime-time slot on TV and line 'em up on VIR. Put 5 ZL1s vs. 5 GT500's with pro racers. I'd buy it on PPV. I'd even place my bet on the winner.
Drawing conclusions about what these two will do on a road course from back roads testing and the typical mag figures is naive. The ZL1 will have higher cornering speeds and the gt500 will brake and accelerate more quickly. The zl1 is more confidence inspiring, specifically on "real" roads with bumps. None of this adds up to one or the other being faster on a road course. Somebody will put these two cars on the same track on the same day at some point, that's when we'll know.
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:42 PM   #145
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Drawing conclusions about what these two will do on a road course from back roads testing and the typical mag figures is naive. The ZL1 will have higher cornering speeds and the gt500 will brake and accelerate more quickly. The zl1 is more confidence inspiring, specifically on "real" roads with bumps. None of this adds up to one or the other being faster on a road course. Somebody will put these two cars on the same track on the same day at some point, that's when we'll know.
I think it will be any given day for either car on a road course. I could be wrong as I and most on C5 or other sites haven't been behind the wheel of either. Ill be watching for the testing though!
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Drawing conclusions about what these two will do on a road course from back roads testing and the typical mag figures is naive. The ZL1 will have higher cornering speeds and the gt500 will brake and accelerate more quickly. The zl1 is more confidence inspiring, specifically on "real" roads with bumps. None of this adds up to one or the other being faster on a road course. Somebody will put these two cars on the same track on the same day at some point, that's when we'll know.
Conclusions is about all most of us can do, i mean i don't own a zl1 or a GT500 do you? only a few have access to both cars at the same time to know exactly how they drive. So we can only assume based on the testing.
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Conclusions is about all most of us can do, i mean i don't own a zl1 or a GT500 do you? only a few have access to both cars at the same time to know exactly how they drive. So we can only assume based on the testing.
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My Yellow ZL1 auto should be at the dealer this week, it is at the rail/truck transfer yard. I am trying to figure out now what color/stripe combo I am going to get for a 2013 GT500. Glad I waited but still no auto for us old guys.
Zl11952, you are getting both? Your forum name should be ZL113GT500!
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Zl11952, you are getting both? Your forum name should be ZL113GT500!
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:51 PM   #149
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Conclusions is about all most of us can do, i mean i don't own a zl1 or a GT500 do you? only a few have access to both cars at the same time to know exactly how they drive. So we can only assume based on the testing.
Assuming based on testing is one thing when you consider all the data instead of just the parts that suit your conclusion. Like I said, on the one hand you have the zl1 which has a considerable handling advantage and on the other hand you have the gt500 which has a considerable accelerating and marginal braking advantage. Road racing is a combination of handling, accelerating, and decelerating, not just handling. Screwing around on imperfect, public roads and the more confidence-inspiring car being faster does not mean the same outcome on the track. I am sure we can all agree that both cars would be driven way, way harder on track than on some public roads.
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:53 PM   #150
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Doesn't negate the fact that 4/10s faster to 60 is still a big deal. On smaller tires. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the GT500 on the roadcourse yet. Time will tell which one eill be faster in the hands of an experienced driver.
Operative word being experienced. Pro vs Pro, average vs average, experienced vs experienced...results will be the same. Prost said the ZL1 bested the Boss, so how will the GT500 be able to beat the ZL1 on a road course given the "same driver, same course, same conditions" scenario? Now, if you put the Boss suspension on the GT500, it would be close, but again with the GT500's power levels it will make be difficult, even with an experienced driver. Feathering the throttle around turns at speed will lose time. Going into a turn at speed, you may push and exiting a turn, you will break loose, losing time. It's not going to be fun...or maybe it will.

GT500 - great for the 1/4 mile track
ZL1 - great for road course and the road.

Yes...I'm bias toward the ZL1, but I want both cars for the purpose above.
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This is just about what I expected from the comparison.
At a dragstrip, I think both et's would have been a little better.
So it's not the quickest, it's still a great car. Nice job GM.
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:31 PM   #152
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:48 PM   #153
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Pretty much sums it up right there...

"It's not the $5,815 cost advantage that wins the comparison test for the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1. It's this car's ability to fight above its weight class that makes it undeniably more attractive. It's virtually unprecedented that a car with such a dramatic power deficit and weight disadvantage could come out ahead.

So in other words, we were wrong. When it comes to pony cars, it's not always about horsepower. At least not anymore."
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:03 PM   #154
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Drawing conclusions about what these two will do on a road course from back roads testing and the typical mag figures is naive. The ZL1 will have higher cornering speeds and the gt500 will brake and accelerate more quickly. The zl1 is more confidence inspiring, specifically on "real" roads with bumps. None of this adds up to one or the other being faster on a road course. Somebody will put these two cars on the same track on the same day at some point, that's when we'll know.
It's not naive at all. This may be the first h2h review, but virtually all the other zl1 reviews say the same thing - the zl1 has impressive handling (for a muscle car). And these include full road course reviews. This h2h review is simply another argument to support the theory until we have more h2h road course tests.

As for brakes, they both stopped very close together. The zl1 is heavier but it has 2 piece front rotors and brake ducts which should help offset the extra heat. So I don't think the shelby has a brake advantage.

The shelby has slightly poorer front/rear weight distribution too. But the cornering advantage is already with the zl1.

Acceleration advantage is definitely with the shelby. But will it be enough?

Edit: Actually I just read (correct me I'm wrong) the 2013 shelby does not have a front brake duct option. I suppose its an easy mod however.
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