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Old 06-12-2012, 04:10 PM   #76
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So how have the Mustang forums been taking this?

I mean...most Mustang enthusiasts were convinced that the Shelby would outhandle the Camaro. Now, they have just faster 1/4 mile time, which with the power & weight is totally a given.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:14 PM   #77
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You should see the kool aid drinking svt forum owners. They are trying to downplay and hate on the zl1. Excuses such as: These guys don't know how to test cars, The gt500 goes straight faster and that's the only thing that matters, Whoopdy the zl1 goes fast in a circle.

I own a cts-v and anyone whos driven an lsa car with mag ride knows what I'm talking about when I say it's a very well balanced car. It kills my 12 gt500 svt perf package car on the same twisty roads.

That being said It seems as though the cts-v got similar numbers on the same test despite being 300lbs heavier and around 30hp down.


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Don't stress it there's always the biased people but one of my dads friends has a 12 GT500 and when I took him for a ride he admitted that it handles much better than his car. Im sure someone wil say that has no relevance but whatever i doubt the svts handling has improved all that much in one year, just my input.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:17 PM   #78
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Not a fair comparison, the supposedly stock 12.588 isa huge outlier, best of the best and not normal, more normal an SS is probably low 13s/high 12s. nside line is not known for getting the best times and i would guess the 12.4 for the ZL1 would be a normal time for it and when it hits an 11.9, that will be it's 12.588.
I did see a Motortrend writeup where they got 0-60 in 3.8s and 12.1 in the 1/4 mile. That's more like it.

There are several 12.6 and 12.7 times on the SS fast list, though.
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ZL1 trumps the new GT 500

Not sure if this has been posted yet......

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...ison-test.html

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[edit] I'm just a little slow.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:27 PM   #80
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I'm gonna be the first to step in and just say this....

Wow...blind bias my friend....and I quote:

"If this were a contest of power plants alone, it should be obvious that the Shelby is the clear choice. Its modern motor snaps to attention with every touch of the throttle, revs higher (up to 7,000 rpm for brief periods) and, to our ears, sounds better. Put the two on a drag strip and physics predictably delivers the lighter, more powerful GT500 to the traps half a second and 7.4 mph ahead of the ZL1." WINNER = GT500

GT500 = Specifically, that's an 11.9-second pass at 123.5 mph — an impressive number, but not an easy one to achieve.

ZL1 = But it's still slower. Our best pass was 12.4 seconds at 116.1 mph.

HOWEVER....you are right in terms of terms of the road course tests:

At 70.8 mph it was also quicker through the slalom than the GT500, which managed a still respectable 69.1 mph. ZL1 = winner

Then = One hundred and ten feet are required to bring the ZL1 to a halt from 60 mph — 1 foot longer than the GT500. Both cars suffer from a too-soft middle pedal when driven with purpose — hardly surprising given the road-crushing mass and power at work here. GT500 = winner

Its a good competition between the 2, but I think the Camaro "trumped" the Mustang.

Good try tho lol
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:28 PM   #81
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So how have the Mustang forums been taking this?

I mean...most Mustang enthusiasts were convinced that the Shelby would outhandle the Camaro. Now, they have just faster 1/4 mile time, which with the power & weight is totally a given.
Not well.....

And while the Inside Line article is definitely a point to our side, I'll wait till some comparisons are made on a real road course to claim final victory. Same driver,same day.

If what this article says is true....the ZL1 will decimate the GT500 on a road course.
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It's not a racing story (which is banned)...it's a comparison of two awesome pony cars. So I think it shouldn't get moved. Please.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:30 PM   #83
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Haha suck it SVT.

I will always want a ZL1 over a GT500, especially after driving one the other day!

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This is just what people have thought since the GT500 anounced 650+hp. The ZL1 would lose at the strip, but be better at the track. Now it is going to depend on the track, small tight tracks will make the ZL1 shine, larger tracks with bigger turns and straights will favor the GT500. Unfortunatly for most of these cars, the only track they will see is the one that leads into the garage and allows room for the owner to get all the way around it to get the cover on correctly.
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It's ZL1 2, GT500 1

ZL1 = Better handling
GT500 = Faster acceleration
ZL1 = Better car to live with

All this = trumped.
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Wow.

And there you have it...as we all been saying for a good while.

GT500 easily faster in the straights, but the ZL1 is the better handler, and the better cruiser.

Put that price difference into the ZL1 and it will walk with the GT500 in the straights and away from it on the track.
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What I expected. GT500 wins a drag / straight line race.

ZL1 has the road race advantage.

Lets see some road racing times for both on the same day.
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I'm gonna be the first to step in and just say this....

Wow...blind bias my friend....

Good try tho lol
From the test:

"The über Mustang is also 227 pounds lighter than the Camaro. Combine that with its massive power advantage and it looks like curtains for the Camaro.

It probably would be if the ZL1 didn't have a couple trump cards of its own. And by that we're referring to its independent rear suspension and magnetorheological dampers. "

Nah, I'm not a fan boy. I like Mustangs and almost bought a 5.0.

But wouldn't you want the better driving car? You might spend only a few hours a year at the drag strip or racing GT500s from a light. You will mostly lose in a drag race unless you can drive. A tune and a pulley and the ZL1 is in the ballpark at the drags. Of course so can the GT500. So definitely the GT500 has the advantage here. Power was the only choice for Ford to try and best the ZL1.

The rigid chassis and IRS shines through for the Camaro which is why I chose the SS over the GT. Wish I could afford both.
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Put that price difference into the ZL1 and it will walk with the GT500 in the straights and away from it on the track.
Oh no. Not this argument again.
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It's easier to add power than better handling.
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Wow.

And there you have it...as we all been saying for a good while.

GT500 easily faster in the straights, but the ZL1 is the better handler, and the better cruiser.

Put that price difference into the ZL1 and it will walk with the GT500 in the straights and away from it on the track.
Well I think the walking goes the other way. Don't forget the GT500 has the same options and is lighter. Game over.

But raw power is not everything. However it is fun.

Is the ZL1 fun at its disadvantaged power level? Just ask the owners here.

I think besides the handling advantage the point is the ZL1 is the preferred car to live with day to day. The ZL1 also bested the Nissan GT/R in a similar fashion in the R&T test even though it out accelerated and out handled the ZL1.
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I sure wish they would have actually taken them on a raod course instead of playing follow the leader on back roads! I am curious what will happen there.
As mentioned, I think Chevy guys want the ZL1 and Ford guys want the Shelby. The drag guys will modify there cars anyway, so they will just need more goodies on the Z to be as fast.
For the guys that won't mod there car to make it faster, the Z guys will get their feelings hurt in a street brawl, but they probably won't care.
I'm sure Randy Probst will get his hands on this, like he did the Boss Leguna Sega and ZL1 comparison for Motortrend. And i'm sure Randy would say the GT500 wouldn't do as good as the ZL1. But he would definitely say he had fun. Scarry fun.
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I did see a Motortrend writeup where they got 0-60 in 3.8s and 12.1 in the 1/4 mile. That's more like it.

There are several 12.6 and 12.7 times on the SS fast list, though.
Take .3 off both the gt500 and zl1's ET and you have times published by other magazine tests. Probably just a poorly prepped surface.
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Could it be they're both right? Why do we need to choose what type of american muscle is better anyway?
Because it is fun.
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Then why not take the savings from a ZL1 or GT500 and put it in a Boss or 1LE? Thats far more logical.
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The driver, Josh Jacquot, said "the GT500 was quicker accelerating car, but harder to launch and difficult to shift. The ZL1 got it completely covered in the handling, no contest." It's gonna be case of what you can handle and what do you want to handle. It's subjective, but if you live with difficult shifting and launching, but want the horsepower...the GT500 is for you. If you can live with everything else...the ZL1 is for you. I just want both.
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Then why not take the savings from a ZL1 or GT500 and put it in a Boss or 1LE? Thats far more logical.
Why not start with a 1SS or a GT 5.0? Used even.
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Its a good competition between the 2, but I think the Camaro "trumped" the Mustang.

Good try tho lol
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Admit it '13 GT500 fans, you are on the ropes!

You will win the drag race but then you will have to go home and rest after the punishing ride. The ZL1s will still be out cruising looking for GT500 stragglers on the back roads.
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