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Old 06-16-2012, 05:25 PM   #681
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Race weight meaning driver.This would put the Shelby at a little over 4k. Like the other guy said. Cars dont drive themselves
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There were 69 ZL1s built in 1969. It's rare, not legendary.
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Old 06-16-2012, 05:29 PM   #683
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Race weight meaning driver.This would put the Shelby at a little over 4k. Like the other guy said. Cars dont drive themselves
Really???
Then I would expect consistency in ones post.
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1969 Camaro ZL1 Grumpy's Toy


Also, how many high performance all aluminum big blocks could you purchase from the factory in 1969?

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1969 Camaro ZL1 Grumpy's Toy


Also, how many high performance all aluminum big blocks could you purchase from the factory in 1969?
That's the thing. You couldn't just order a ZL1 Camaro. It existed because people knew how to work the system.
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That's the thing. You couldn't just order a ZL1 Camaro. It existed because people knew how to work the system.
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Seriously?? How much power would a ZL1 make with 13psi and no other mod?? Im doubting over 600rwhp. In that case it still wouldnt beat a GT500.

But wait. Lets take the weight out of the Shelby and up the boost and we're right back where ae started. Its a never ending cycle.
I will be honest to me $$$ is $$$. I see people trying to screw this agrument in 10,000 different ways but here is reality that I went through when my order got pushed as I looked at both again.

GT500 54,995
ZL1 56,295 after GG

now if you want to go fast in a strait line you stop here all things being equal and say the shelby is the better bang for the buck period any money you spend on going fast in a strait line at this point the shelby will most likly have the bang for the buck unless you want an auto then it would be expensive to add. Camaro guys will make it sound competive but it is not without mods it gets blown away.

now say I like the corners a bit and want a better suspention package(which I do in the ford world that makes me gay or something but it does not change the fact like a good handling car)

GT500 w/PP 58,450
ZL1 56,295 after GG

here you paid some money to up the handling now the shelby costs more if you spent the same money on the ZL1 it will lap faster. 2k would have cai, tune, heat exchanger.

GT500 w/PP and TP 61,450
ZL1 56,296 after GG

now you have a car you can lap at track days a bit more comfortably but you just spend 5k more. at this point you could have a ZL1 that outpowerd the shelby if you chose so and wrenched on the car yourself. 5k buys heads, cam, heat echanger, pulleys, tune cai etc almost any combination of mods you wanted really. ford does not even hint the waranty will apply at the track on the streat though the GT500 would still have waranty and your ZL1 would not.


So me as a car enthusiest not a brand enthusiest and liking more than just drag racing there is no magic bang for the buck on these cars. they are very equal per $$ spent if you want the track oriented mods.

as much as people want to play around I feel $$ for $$ they both are righ there so I defaulted to the car I like the looks of bette which is totaly subjective and could go either way.

now if I liked the look of the shelby better I would have went that way and instead of playing with power you would most likly spend some money refining the supension and setup a bit as power mods per $$ would not give you the same return.

now a brand biased person just comes to the other camps website and makes up a bunch of crap but since cars cost $$$ I used it as the basis form my decision not bias. I still feel these cars are awesome enought that if you liked the looks of one over the other just buy that one.
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:56 PM   #689
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who cares if it's 200 or 300 pounds difference. the zl1 is too heavy. shit the gt 500 is too heavy.
Cars in general are too heavy. We need more of Colin Chapman's thinking.
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I will be honest to me $$$ is $$$. I see people trying to screw this agrument in 10,000 different ways but here is reality that I went through when my order got pushed as I looked at both again.

GT500 54,995
ZL1 56,295 after GG

now if you want to go fast in a strait line you stop here all things being equal and say the shelby is the better bang for the buck period any money you spend on going fast in a strait line at this point the shelby will most likly have the bang for the buck unless you want an auto then it would be expensive to add. Camaro guys will make it sound competive but it is not without mods it gets blown away.

now say I like the corners a bit and want a better suspention package(which I do in the ford world that makes me gay or something but it does not change the fact like a good handling car)

GT500 w/PP 58,450
ZL1 56,295 after GG

here you paid some money to up the handling now the shelby costs more if you spent the same money on the ZL1 it will lap faster. 2k would have cai, tune, heat exchanger.

GT500 w/PP and TP 61,450
ZL1 56,296 after GG

now you have a car you can lap at track days a bit more comfortably but you just spend 5k more. at this point you could have a ZL1 that outpowerd the shelby if you chose so and wrenched on the car yourself. 5k buys heads, cam, heat echanger, pulleys, tune cai etc almost any combination of mods you wanted really. ford does not even hint the waranty will apply at the track on the streat though the GT500 would still have waranty and your ZL1 would not.


So me as a car enthusiest not a brand enthusiest and liking more than just drag racing there is no magic bang for the buck on these cars. they are very equal per $$ spent if you want the track oriented mods.

as much as people want to play around I feel $$ for $$ they both are righ there so I defaulted to the car I like the looks of bette which is totaly subjective and could go either way.

now if I liked the look of the shelby better I would have went that way and instead of playing with power you would most likly spend some money refining the supension and setup a bit as power mods per $$ would not give you the same return.

now a brand biased person just comes to the other camps website and makes up a bunch of crap but since cars cost $$$ I used it as the basis form my decision not bias. I still feel these cars are awesome enought that if you liked the looks of one over the other just buy that one.
So in your argument, you can buy aftermarket parts for the ZL1 when buying packages for the Shelby from the factory. Why not just spend 3k on aftermarket parts for the Shelby then too and run a true coil over set up. You're only 1,400 over the price of a ZL1, you will have an incredible track set up, and still have 600whp with forged internals. All the "I can buy X with X money and add it to this car" arguments are flawed. People will buy what they like. Whether the Shelby has the Performance Package or not, I can bet my one year's salary that 90% of the owners won't even be able to exploit the base car to it's full potential. Same goes for the ZL1.
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So in your argument, you can buy aftermarket parts for the ZL1 when buying packages for the Shelby from the factory. Why not just spend 3k on aftermarket parts for the Shelby then too and run a true coil over set up. You're only 1,400 over the price of a ZL1, you will have an incredible track set up, and still have 600whp with forged internals. All the "I can buy X with X money and add it to this car" arguments are flawed. People will buy what they like. Whether the Shelby has the Performance Package or not, I can bet my one year's salary that 90% of the owners won't even be able to exploit the base car to it's full potential. Same goes for the ZL1.
I believe he covered that angle too...

now if I liked the look of the shelby better I would have went that way and instead of playing with power you would most likly spend some money refining the supension and setup a bit as power mods per $$ would not give you the same return.

As for me and I've said it before... I'll take the suspension platform and do engine mods all day long over the reverse... that and looks is what my decision was based on


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Hognutz - very well said and unbiased.

Anyone arguing with his rationale for spending his money is just being argumentative.
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Seriously?? How much power would a ZL1 make with 13psi and no other mod?? Im doubting over 600rwhp. In that case it still wouldnt beat a GT500.

But wait. Lets take the weight out of the Shelby and up the boost and we're right back where ae started. Its a never ending cycle.
My point was if the two things most often mentioned were equalled. Not looking for an HP or weight advantage.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:33 PM   #696
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So in your argument, you can buy aftermarket parts for the ZL1 when buying packages for the Shelby from the factory. Why not just spend 3k on aftermarket parts for the Shelby then too and run a true coil over set up. You're only 1,400 over the price of a ZL1, you will have an incredible track set up, and still have 600whp with forged internals. All the "I can buy X with X money and add it to this car" arguments are flawed. People will buy what they like. Whether the Shelby has the Performance Package or not, I can bet my one year's salary that 90% of the owners won't even be able to exploit the base car to it's full potential. Same goes for the ZL1.
I think it's about looks and value at the end of the day. Eye & mind of the beholder. In other words two sides that will never convince one another.
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so we'll hit the 1000 post soon... i say the guy who buys the shelby or zl1 well congrats! full power machine that the majority doesn't have..i really don't give a s*** about quarter mile times between these too it's so close we /you can talk about this until oblivion
.. it's the pleasure of driving it, listening to the exhaust, washing it caressing the fenders letting the soap go everywhere giving her a good bath a good wax looking at your z all shiny, enjoying it, passing cars on the freeway, having some power--more than some-- on the go pedal. taking 3 cars at the same time on a 2 way road, showing them you or your zl1 have the big power under the hood...you dominate the road move over the z is coming! hey passion man . we all live for it. adrenaline rush.LS- power it's what is all about. burning gas &having fun laughing in your car when you're alone because you like it power is there under the hood we all love it.
if it would be a porshe forum and speaking about porsche vs bmw... so boring ..
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