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Old 06-16-2012, 10:36 PM   #715
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That's really a SAD response. I'm out!
How is it sad? It's the truth.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:49 PM   #716
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:56 PM   #717
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Hognutz - very well said and unbiased.

Anyone arguing with his rationale for spending his money is just being argumentative.
There is no such thing as unbiased. Not you, not him, not me, not anybody. Sure, some are more brand loyal than others, buy EVERYBODY is biased.

And I could very easily "argue" with his rationale, and would be just as right as he is. Not going to, so don't bother asking me to. If you wish to believe otherwise, that's ok.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:56 PM   #718
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:17 PM   #719
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Went to the ford dealership today u can't get the gt500 for under 60. Sorry won't happen.


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Old 06-16-2012, 11:32 PM   #720
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Went to the ford dealership today u can't get the gt500 for under 60. Sorry won't happen.


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my local dealer would order for me at MSRP so it can happen but just like the ZL1 you have to look around. on the camaro side all the local dealer were not getting one or asking 5k-10k over go figure. Call the local ford dealer my friend works for their dodge dealership and they are like no problem. they would not go xplan though.
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Old 06-17-2012, 12:24 AM   #721
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Went to the ford dealership today u can't get the gt500 for under 60. Sorry won't happen.


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Old 06-17-2012, 03:21 AM   #722
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B. in MUSCLE CAR and drag racing circles and TRUE car fan circles it is legendary. Just like the '68 428 CJ and Boss 302. Just because the ave 20 something doesn't know don't lesson any of them. Heck most 20 somethings don't know what a rotary telephone is. History is what it is this forum won't change the originals status any more than the new Boss will affect the old Boss 302s status.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:39 AM   #723
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This conversation has truly turned to the ridiculous. For the record, no I don't believe that Carrol Shelby ranks as "legendary" status OUTSIDE of the car world. Some folks have bloated the importance of whichever car they have chosen to view as the coolest. This thread has also turned into a conversation about bias and whether or not one can escape it. Yes, yes you can, but it requires quite a bit of work and brutal self-honesty. But all that's past the scope of Camaro vs. Mustang.

If ya'll want another cool word to add to this arcane list of ridiculous, how about hyperbole?
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:47 AM   #724
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There is no such thing as unbiased. Not you, not him, not me, not anybody. Sure, some are more brand loyal than others, buy EVERYBODY is biased.

And I could very easily "argue" with his rationale, and would be just as right as he is. Not going to, so don't bother asking me to. If you wish to believe otherwise, that's ok.
When YOU are spending YOUR money decide whatever YOU want. As for HIS rationale for spending HIS money, there is no argument. That's my point.

Very unbiased != completely unbiased. Speaking in terms of GM vs Ford, he was very unbiased.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:48 AM   #725
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This conversation has truly turned to the ridiculous. For the record, no I don't believe that Carrol Shelby ranks as "legendary" status OUTSIDE of the car world. Some folks have bloated the importance of whichever car they have chosen to view as the coolest. This thread has also turned into a conversation about bias and whether or not one can escape it. Yes, yes you can, but it requires quite a bit of work and brutal self-honesty. But all that's past the scope of Camaro vs. Mustang.

If ya'll want another cool word to add to this arcane list of ridiculous, how about hyperbole?
i find your words ostentatious.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:55 AM   #726
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i find your words ostentatious.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:59 AM   #727
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reason why i wouldent spend so much money on a zl1. my bolt on ss does same times
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Old 06-17-2012, 08:10 AM   #728
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Welp, that about sums it up. End of thread.
(Not sure if serious.) Not my intention at all. I like the conversation about CARS. Let's get back to it!
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:11 AM   #729
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Speed, handling, braking, LOOKS, I'd take the Camaro ZL1 any day over the GT 500.
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:20 AM   #730
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When YOU are spending YOUR money decide whatever YOU want. As for HIS rationale for spending HIS money, there is no argument. That's my point.
I have no arguement with that statement - though if that was your point, it was poorly expressed. In my opinion.

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Very unbiased != completely unbiased. Speaking in terms of GM vs Ford, he was very unbiased.
I have no issues with your opinion, but don't expect all of us to agree with your opinion just because you say so.

That is *my* point.
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:33 AM   #731
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reason why i wouldent spend so much money on a zl1. my bolt on ss does same times
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