v6 camaro vs 350z

[ben3350]

who do you think would win that race? v6 camaro still has bigger engine, but the z is much lighter.

my friend just bought a 350z and I plan to race him in my RS. I'm worried that the weight difference will not help in my favor...

Both our cars are stock by the way...

[SoCalThug]

What year z is it?

[Basemaro]

If it has the HR motor it may be a good fight. Might even beat you depending on the driver i think. Pre 07 i think you'd beat.

[SVTGOD]

If you are racing against the base model(2006), you will lose; unless you are a good driver. That extra 400lbs or so of fat your camaro is carrying will be your down fall. But then again, not everybody is equipped with a drivers mod.

So it might be a toss up

[KMPrenger]

Because of the weight and the better gearing in the Z, you should likely lose on a drag and a roll. But it shouldn't be a raping either.....could be close!

Put her in sport from a drag. Put her in manual for a roll to get a great jump....just don't hit the limiter!

[08-G35s/6MT]

If it's a DE(2003-2006), you will win. If it's an HR(2007+) then he will beat you(Auto for sure, manual if he is a half-decent driver). Simple as that.

[mikeSS]

well frist off, the engine is not that much bigger. the Z is either a 3.5 or 3.6.

and ya the Z will probs win.

[SnoopyAce7]

The Z doesn't have 2 extra seats holding it back :( lol

[JMM1181]

Man, how many times has this subject been beat to death.

If it's and 07-08 (HR) you don't stand a chance against a decent driver and non-roadster model. On paper it looks like it gained only 6 HP from the rev-up model, but in reality, the engine was 80% new, had dual intakes, and was based on the more strict SAE ratings, making the actual increase much greater. It also revs higher, hence the HR or 'high rev'. This model does 0-60 in 5.1-5.2 seconds, and the quarter mile in 13.6-13.7 on average. The real world has seen a number of 13.1x passes by several drivers stock. I have posted in the past videos of stock HR 350z's running low 13's completely stock

With a very good driver, this HR hit 12.5 N/A with just bolt-ons and DR's:



The 2006 was actually the slowest model year, despite the bump in HP from the older DE model years, and was known as the 'rev up', not the HR.

The older 2003-2005 models are known as the DE. They are low 14 second cars with a few here and there getting into the high 13's stock.

To summarize: against either the roadster or the non-HR models, it will come down to the driver. 350Z's surprisingly are not very easy to launch, at least not in manual. The HR is not a fair matchup and is in a different performance class altogether, but anything can happen. Be safe, and be sure to take a video and post up the results!

[Dobbins]

My friend has an 04z and we would always have close races and he is a good driver. Add some exhaust and an Intake and you'll get him. Haha now though I wont lose to any kind of z!

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by JMM1181

Man, how many times has this subject been beat to death.

If it's and 07-08 (HR) you don't stand a chance against a decent driver and non-roadster model. On paper it looks like it gained only 6 HP from the rev-up model, but in reality, the engine was 80% new, had dual intakes, and was based on the more strict SAE ratings, making the actual increase much greater. It also revs higher, hence the HR or 'high rev'. This model does 0-60 in 5.1-5.2 seconds, and the quarter mile in 13.6-13.7 on average. The real world has seen a number of 13.1x passes by several drivers stock. I have posted in the past videos of stock HR 350z's running low 13's completely stock, here is a more recent almost stock 350z HR keeping up with a 2010 Camaro SS with just test pipes and exhaust:



The 2006 was actually the slowest model year, despite the bump in HP from the older DE model years, and was known as the 'rev up', not the HR.

The older 2003-2005 models are known as the DE. They are low 14 second cars with a few here and there getting into the high 13's stock.

To summarize: against either the roadster or the non-HR models, it will come down to the driver. 350Z's surprisingly are not very easy to launch, at least not in manual. The HR is not a fair matchup and is in a different performance class altogether, but anything can happen. Be safe, and be sure to take a video and post up the results!

350Z might be faster than a V6 Camaro, but don't even try to pretend they're as fast or faster than a Camaro SS.

One thing, first off the cars are modded. Once you start modding, who knows what going on. You can obviously hear the 350z screaming (that's not the Camaro's exhaust).
Secondly - the Camaro has an extra person in the car (+150 lbs or so). A passenger is usually worth 2-3 car lengths. Put the passenger in the 350z and it would have been a different race.

1. find cars that are stock and race them.
2. make sure the Camaro doesn't have an extra 150 lbs in it.

A well driven Camaro SS will easily beat a 350z. That's a fact.


And lets see that stock 350z, 1/4 mile list you've been talking about. I want to see all the stock low 13 sec cars.
Here's our top 10.
Camaro SS, Stock

NO	Member	Engine	Date	60'	1/8 ET @ MPH	1/4 ET @ MPH	Details
1	nhra stocker	LS3	3/7/10	1.972	8.135 @ 88.58 MPH	12.588 @ 110.30 MPH	263
2	2quick	LS3	1/10/10	1.955	8.204 @ 88.05 MPH	12.615 @ 111.60 MPH	188
3	blufin	LS3	1/12/10	1.932	8.165 @ 86.52 MPH	12.618 @ 110.75 MPH	780
4	02Pewtersix	LS3	10/30/10	2.03	8.317 @ 88.34 MPH	12.710 @ 111.80 MPH	672
5	sschevybear11	LS3	10/22/11	2.017	8.333 @ 87.14 MPH	12.758 @ 110.91 MPH	1169
6	Monte	LS3	4/24/10	2.012	8.329 @ 87.11 MPH	12.775 @ 110.98 MPH	410
7	b20	LS3	11/15/09	1.936	8.326 @ 85.02 MPH	12.811 @ 108.73MPH	3
8	376Camaro	LS3	7/3/10	2.163	8.438 @ 87.69 MPH	12.831 @ 113.27 MPH	502
9	Toyaholic	LS3	4/13/11	2.017	8.392 @ 86.35 MPH	12.864 @ 110.91 MPH	821
10	8secpumpgasdad	L99	3/8/10	1.9059	8.321 @ 85.54 MPH	12.868 @ 108.7 MPH	270

And to compare with the 350z bolt ons (NA)
Bolt-Ons

NO	Member	Engine	Modifications	1/4 ET @ MPH	Details
1	02pewtersix	LS3, M6	LT, Exhaust, CAI, PTB, UDP, Tune, Skinnies, 17" DRs	11.600 @ 119.17 MPH	1327
2	Walkermuffler	LS3, M6	LT, CAI, Tune, 17'' skinnies, DRs	11.716 @ 114.07 MPH	294
3	Number 9	L99, A6	LT, Exhaust, CAI, T-stat, Gears, Tune, DRs	11.789 @ 117.49 MPH	632
4	OrangeChevy	LS3, M6	LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, 18'' Skinnies, DRs	11.832 @ 116.02 MPH	24
5	Wacker	L99, A6	LT, Exhaust, CAI, Converter, Gears, Tune, Skinnies, Slicks	11.965 @ 113.35 MPH	714
6	hoffmk2003	LS3, M6	LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, 18'' wheels, DRs	12.012 @ 117.58 MPH	833
7	SGOS252382	L99, A6	LT, Exhaust, CAI, PTB, Tune, Converter, DRs	12.104 @ 113.60 MPH	1340
8	CamaroGirl5	LS3, M6	LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, Gears, DRs	12.144 @ 117.88 MPH	1485
9	Padre	L99, A6	Shorties, Exhaust, CAI, Converter, Gears, Tune, 18'' DRs	12.152 @ 113.69 MPH	1051
10	Texas2SS	LS3, M6	LT, CAI, PTB, UDP, Tune, DRs	12.221 @ 115.27 MPH	1061

[JMM1181]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

350Z might be faster than a V6 Camaro, but don't even try to pretend they're as fast or faster than a Camaro SS.

One thing, first off the cars are modded. Once you start modding, who knows what going on. You can obviously hear the 350z screaming (that's not the Camaro's exhaust).
Secondly - the Camaro has an extra person in the car (+150 lbs or so). A passenger is usually worth 2-3 car lengths. Put the passenger in the 350z and it would have been a different race.

1. find cars that are stock and race them.
2. make sure the Camaro doesn't have an extra 150 lbs in it.

A well driven Camaro SS will easily beat a 350z. That's a fact.

Woah there tiger No need to get butthurt.

Read the thread, it's about a V6 Camaro vs a 350Z. I never stated, anywhere, that a 350z is a match for an SS. I only provided a recent video which shows the potential of the 350Z HR, which apparently was able to keep up with an SS with just basic bolt-ons.

Let's not dilute the topic here. Let me again be clear, a V6 camaro- whether it is stock, or even if it has basic bolt-ons (intake, exhaust), is not going to provide any form of competition whatsoever to an HR 350z. It may be competition to all older models (DE, rev-up), but not the 07-08 model year. If you don't believe me, do race against one and then post up a video of the results. The 07-08 350z HR is a 13 second car through and through, despite how much this kills so many of you to admit. The V6 camaro is not, plain and simple. It is lucky to see low 14's with mods.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by JMM1181

Woah there tiger No need to get butthurt.

Read the thread, it's about a V6 Camaro vs a 350Z. I never stated, anywhere, that a 350z is a match for an SS. I only provided a recent video which shows the potential of the 350Z HR, which apparently was able to keep up with an SS with just basic bolt-ons.

Let's not dilute the topic here. Let me again be clear, a V6 camaro- whether it is stock, or even if it has basic bolt-ons (intake, exhaust), is not going to provide any form of competition whatsoever to an HR 350z. It may be competition to all older models (DE, rev-up), but not the 07-08 model year. If you don't believe me, do race against one and then post up a video of the results. The 07-08 350z HR is a 13 second car through and through, despite how much this kills so many of you to admit. The V6 camaro is not, plain and simple. It is lucky to see low 14's with mods.

Yes, but when you post a video showing a 350z racing a Camaro SS then you put the Camaro SS into the mix.
You also mentioned "close to stock" 350z racing a lightly modded Camaro SS.

But I agree with you about the 350z vs. V6 Camaro. The 07-08, 350z can definitely pull 13s in the 1/4 mile. It has a pretty significant performance advantage over a V6 Camaro. That is true and I agree with you.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by JMM1181

Woah there tiger No need to get butthurt.

Read the thread, it's about a V6 Camaro vs a 350Z. I never stated, anywhere, that a 350z is a match for an SS. I only provided a recent video which shows the potential of the 350Z HR, which apparently was able to keep up with an SS with just basic bolt-ons.

Let's not dilute the topic here. Let me again be clear, a V6 camaro- whether it is stock, or even if it has basic bolt-ons (intake, exhaust), is not going to provide any form of competition whatsoever to an HR 350z. It may be competition to all older models (DE, rev-up), but not the 07-08 model year. If you don't believe me, do race against one and then post up a video of the results. The 07-08 350z HR is a 13 second car through and through, despite how much this kills so many of you to admit. The V6 camaro is not, plain and simple. It is lucky to see low 14's with mods.

Actually, there are several bolt-on V6 on this site that have run in the 13s.

[JMM1181]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Actually, there are several bolt-on V6 on this sight that have run in the 13s.

Do you have a link and/or vids? I'm not doubting this, but it's been months since I've been on this site and the last time I had this discussion, it was with someone claiming to be in the high 13's with bolt-ons after adjusting his personal time for altitude (DA). His actual time slip stated low 14's. If it's true, I'm happy to hear it.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by JMM1181

Do you have a link and/or vids? I'm not doubting this, but it's been months since I've been on this site and the last time I had this discussion, it was with someone claiming to be in the high 13's with bolt-ons after adjusting his personal time for altitude (DA). His actual time slip stated low 14's. If it's true, I'm happy to hear it.

Actually, he was stock. Just go to the drag strip/racing section and look at the V6 fast list.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Yes, but when you post a video showing a 350z racing a Camaro SS then you put the Camaro SS into the mix.
You also mentioned "close to stock" 350z racing a lightly modded Camaro SS.

But I agree with you about the 350z vs. V6 Camaro. The 07-08, 350z can definitely pull 13s in the 1/4 mile. It has a pretty significant performance advantage over a V6 Camaro. That is true and I agree with you.

I have the 4 door version of the HR 350Z and only time I have run a 14 second 1/4 mile all year is when I missed a shift.... Normally run 13.4-13.6 depending on the 60'(13.2 as personal best, that is with an excellent launch mind you).... When I was stock I could do 13.6-13.8ish on a good day. I have no clue how that Camaro SS didn't beat that HR Z, the SS should walk over all a 350Z HR all day any day.

[KMPrenger]

Just an FYI...not to prove anything...

V6 Camaro fast lists:

Bone Stock (No external or internal engine modifications, stock tires):
1. 14.247 @ ???? - DandD - LS A6 (LLT)
2. 14.370 @ 96.64 - DarkneSS - 1/LT RS M6 (LLT)
3. 14.300 @ 98.01 - etmx183 - 2LT (LFX)
4. 14.408 @ 94.24 - Wikedwil - LS A6 (LLT)
5. 14.440 @ 95.51 - HDRS - LS M6 (LLT)
6. 14.752 @ 94.35 - JasonK - 1LT A6 (LLT)
7. 14.829 @ 95.99 - 02pewtersix - 1LT M6 (LLT)
8. 14.834 @ 94.14 - PittPaz - 1LT/RS A6 (LLT)
9. 14.858 @94.75 - 73vette -LS (LLT)
10. 14.860 @ 93.29 - BaylorCamaro - 2LT/RS A6 (LLT)

Bolt Ons (Modified airway, exhaust, tires, tune - no internal engine or power adders):
1. 13.420 @ 103.22 - ROD1 - A6 - (DRs/Skinnies, Injen CAI, ARH Longtubes/High Flow Cats, SS Axle Back, Trifecta Tune) (LLT)
2. 13.453 @ 101.9 - 67 GTO - A6 - (DR/Skinnies, GMPP exhaust/JBA shorties/Vararam CAI/VMax TB/SLP Pulley/Hypertech Tune) (LLT)
3. 13.51@100.81mph usa1camaro1969 - M6 - (E85, DRs/Skinnies, VMax Ported TB,Trifecta Tune, Vararam CAI, BBK Long Tubes/High Flow Cats, Cherry Bomb V8 Cat Back, Trifecta Tune) (LLT)
4. 13.569 @ 104.07 - bmorecam - M6 - (E85 tune, Vararam CAI Tuned, magnaflow x-pipe, flowmaster exhaust, OBX LT with all cats removed) (LLT)
5. 13.641 @ 102.28 - Glasstop2010RS (DR's/skinnies, Long tube headers/high flow cats, Injen CAI) (LLT)
6. 13.713 @ 102.26 - formare - A6 - (Injen CAI, SLP Catback, Solo Mach X) (LLT)
7. 13.738 @ 99.89 - BloodUSMC A6 - (Roto Fab Intake, MRT V1, OBX LT Headers, Magnaflow Resonated X Pipe, Trifecta Tune) (LLT)
8. 13.744 @ 99.30 - HDRS - A6 - (DRs, Injen CAI, MRT v2.0 Axle Back) (LLT)
9. 13.783 @ 103.40 - rtcat600man - A6 - (Injen CAI, MRT v2.0 Axle Back) (LLT)
10. 13.787 @ 100.49 - scrming - A6 - (DRs, Injen CAI, MRT v2.0 Axle Back, JBA Shorty Headers, Trifecta Tune) (LLT)

Two of these had stock tires...the rest are modded + tires.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Just an FYI...not to prove anything...

V6 Camaro fast lists:

Bone Stock (No external or internal engine modifications, stock tires):
1. 14.247 @ ???? - DandD - LS A6 (LLT)
2. 14.370 @ 96.64 - DarkneSS - 1/LT RS M6 (LLT)
3. 14.300 @ 98.01 - etmx183 - 2LT (LFX)
4. 14.408 @ 94.24 - Wikedwil - LS A6 (LLT)
5. 14.440 @ 95.51 - HDRS - LS M6 (LLT)
6. 14.752 @ 94.35 - JasonK - 1LT A6 (LLT)
7. 14.829 @ 95.99 - 02pewtersix - 1LT M6 (LLT)
8. 14.834 @ 94.14 - PittPaz - 1LT/RS A6 (LLT)
9. 14.858 @94.75 - 73vette -LS (LLT)
10. 14.860 @ 93.29 - BaylorCamaro - 2LT/RS A6 (LLT)

Bolt Ons (Modified airway, exhaust, tires, tune - no internal engine or power adders):
1. 13.420 @ 103.22 - ROD1 - A6 - (DRs/Skinnies, Injen CAI, ARH Longtubes/High Flow Cats, SS Axle Back, Trifecta Tune) (LLT)
2. 13.453 @ 101.9 - 67 GTO - A6 - (DR/Skinnies, GMPP exhaust/JBA shorties/Vararam CAI/VMax TB/SLP Pulley/Hypertech Tune) (LLT)
3. 13.51@100.81mph usa1camaro1969 - M6 - (E85, DRs/Skinnies, VMax Ported TB,Trifecta Tune, Vararam CAI, BBK Long Tubes/High Flow Cats, Cherry Bomb V8 Cat Back, Trifecta Tune) (LLT)
4. 13.569 @ 104.07 - bmorecam - M6 - (E85 tune, Vararam CAI Tuned, magnaflow x-pipe, flowmaster exhaust, OBX LT with all cats removed) (LLT)
5. 13.641 @ 102.28 - Glasstop2010RS (DR's/skinnies, Long tube headers/high flow cats, Injen CAI) (LLT)
6. 13.713 @ 102.26 - formare - A6 - (Injen CAI, SLP Catback, Solo Mach X) (LLT)
7. 13.738 @ 99.89 - BloodUSMC A6 - (Roto Fab Intake, MRT V1, OBX LT Headers, Magnaflow Resonated X Pipe, Trifecta Tune) (LLT)
8. 13.744 @ 99.30 - HDRS - A6 - (DRs, Injen CAI, MRT v2.0 Axle Back) (LLT)
9. 13.783 @ 103.40 - rtcat600man - A6 - (Injen CAI, MRT v2.0 Axle Back) (LLT)
10. 13.787 @ 100.49 - scrming - A6 - (DRs, Injen CAI, MRT v2.0 Axle Back, JBA Shorty Headers, Trifecta Tune) (LLT)

Two of these had stock tires...the rest are modded + tires.

Bolt on V6s.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Bolt on V6s.

That's cute... Because Road and track got a 13.5 out of a bone stock 4 door G35 with 2k miles on the odo.... which is basically a 4 door 350Z HR....

[camaro-dreamer]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

350Z might be faster than a V6 Camaro, but don't even try to pretend they're as fast or faster than a Camaro SS.

One thing, first off the cars are modded. Once you start modding, who knows what going on. You can obviously hear the 350z screaming (that's not the Camaro's exhaust).
Secondly - the Camaro has an extra person in the car (+150 lbs or so). A passenger is usually worth 2-3 car lengths. Put the passenger in the 350z and it would have been a different race.

1. find cars that are stock and race them.
2. make sure the Camaro doesn't have an extra 150 lbs in it.

A well driven Camaro SS will easily beat a 350z. That's a fact.


And lets see that stock 350z, 1/4 mile list you've been talking about. I want to see all the stock low 13 sec cars.
Here's our top 10.
Camaro SS, Stock
And to compare with the 350z bolt ons (NA)
Bolt-Ons

completely stock 350z
http://my350z.com/forum/3035974-post8.html

bolt-on 350z
http://my350z.com/forum/3035915-post7.html

It is not unfathomable for a vq35hr to run high 12s NA.