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Fenderaddict2 · 06-21-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Owner may be the key, here...

We certainly I enhance those editorial comments I read by my driving. It's been a long time since I raced seriously and I'll be the first to admit I'm old and in need of the oft-desired "driver mod".

Fenderaddict2 · 06-21-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cobrakon

did you say you will be selling the boss??? if so how much do you want for it?

No way. It would take an Aston Martin at the very least to get me to pass the Boss on. Likely selling the Journey but also considering letting the '65 Mustang go.

SlingShot · 06-21-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

So as some of you may know I joined this site to research the ZL1 as my next purchase. Then the GT500 was announced and briefly considered. The 1LE definitely grabbed my attention yet as time progressed I became convinced a second '13 Boss was what I wanted. Well that may be true but the new car is for my wife. As much as I love the raw appeal, it's a bit much for her on a daily basis. And after reading the 3 part review above and discussing it this morning it looks like we will become certified members of this forum this fall. We have decided on a ZL1 to replace the wife's Dodge Journey. Now the joy of dealing with Dealers begins.

Good decision, for what it's worth my wife loves driving this car. She says it's so much more comfortable and easier to drive than our SS and she can drive it for several hours without feeling beat up.

A-little-perspective · 06-21-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

LOL. Just reread my post. I could see it coming across this way. Maybe in not entirely thrilled with getting a ZL1. It's still a Camaro inside and that's something about the car I, well frankly hate. I also prior to the new 5.0 was seriously underwhelmed by the Mustang. Fact is I love the Boss but as much as I'd love a second that isn't going to happen. The GT500 is just too much toy and I'm not getting rid of the Boss. The car for us then is the ZL1 as the alternate, the 1LE is not available and many months away from having any useable reviews to Helen from. If my wife had her way and we had no kids there would be a Vette in the driveway, no question.

Oh ok got ya. Well, kudos on getting rid of that Dodge Journey. That's quite the step up from that to a ZL1.

LOWDOWN · 06-21-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rez333

In other words, his conclusion is contradictory.

Then take it up with HIM...

www.automobilemag.com

LOWDOWN · 06-21-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Curious...what is "too much toy" about the GT500, and not a different model Mustang or any model Camaro? Is it hard(er) to drive? Is the ride really harsh? Perhaps the brakes are not good enough, or are too good/touchy? Gas mileage worse than would like? Ergonomics? Seats? SRA not liveable around bumpy cloverleafs?

...or maybe SHE wants an Automatic...like the Journey...?

BOSS? Uh..no...

500? Uh...ditto...

Fenderaddict2 · 06-21-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rez333

Yes but for most of those categories, there are "better" cars. Who is the market for Camaros and Mustangs? The writer even says it: people who want the meanest, most brutal muscle car from the factory. Does this not describe people who want to buy the top-of-the-line Camaro or Mustang? Therefore...

In other words, his conclusion is contradictory.

Very valid point.

Fenderaddict2 · 06-21-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Curious...what is "too much toy" about the GT500, and not a different model Mustang or any model Camaro? Is it hard(er) to drive? Is the ride really harsh? Perhaps the brakes are not good enough, or are too good/touchy? Gas mileage worse than would like? Ergonomics? Seats? SRA not liveable around bumpy cloverleafs?

What's too much toy is the fact that we already have a Boss. And the '65. The ZL1 brings the fun factor she's been missing since kids dictated her car choices and will be comfortable as she puts on the miles for sales calls with the added benefit of being better in the city with the MR on the streetcar tracks that chewed through BMW rims and tires like a cop through donuts.

Fenderaddict2 · 06-21-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...or maybe SHE wants an Automatic...like the Journey...?

BOSS? Uh..no...

500? Uh...ditto...

We never considered this but now you mention it I'm betting we end up with the auto.

Bob Cosby · 06-21-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...or maybe SHE wants an Automatic...like the Journey...?

BOSS? Uh..no...

500? Uh...ditto...

That is the one indisputable thing that the ZL1 has over the GT500 (or Boss). And to think that it is the Mustang that so many consider a "woman's car"....

Will bite my tongue (for once) on replying to others.

LOWDOWN · 06-21-2012, 12:47 PM

The "problem" with analyzing and writing about ANYTHING is, personal preferences always come to the fore. Just a fact...

If YOU wrote this article (and YOU can be anyone!), you approach the subject matter with your own skillsets and life experiences intact.

The other "problem" is, when you try to write about something where there is NO real definitive loser (road course time differential = drag strip differential; ride and handling on the street is very subjective...some want their teeth jarred, some don't

) AND try to give everyone "something" to feel great about, you then end up truly satisfying NO ONE. Completely. Right?

That was the reason I added the "Dairy Queen" showdown scenario...

Again, in this dog fight, no one was "killed"...really. So no one can really thump their chest as a clear victor.

Pro Street vs. Pro Tour.

That's the way I see it, anyway...

Bob Cosby · 06-21-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

The "problem" with analyzing and writing about ANYTHING is, personal preferences always come to the fore. Just a fact...

If YOU wrote this article (and YOU can be anyone!), you approach the subject matter with your own skillsets and life experiences intact.

The other "problem" is, when you try to write about something where there is NO real definitive loser (road course time differential = drag strip differential; ride and handling on the street is very subjective) AND try to give everyone "something" to feel great about, you then end up truly satisfying NO ONE. Completely. Right?

Again, in this dog fight, no one was "killed"...really. So no one can really thump their chest as a clear victor.

Pro Street vs. Pro Tour.

That's the way I see it, anyway...

OMG....for the first time in the history of man (or at least this site and CZ28) I can completely and totally publically agree with you!

It really does come down to writing that check though....or not.

A-little-perspective · 06-21-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

The "problem" with analyzing and writing about ANYTHING is, personal preferences always come to the fore. Just a fact...

If YOU wrote this article (and YOU can be anyone!), you approach the subject matter with your own skillsets and life experiences intact.

The other "problem" is, when you try to write about something where there is NO real definitive loser (road course time differential = drag strip differential; ride and handling on the street is very subjective...some want their teeth jarred, some don't

) AND try to give everyone "something" to feel great about, you then end up truly satisfying NO ONE. Completely. Right?

That was the reason I added the "Dairy Queen" showdown scenario...

Again, in this dog fight, no one was "killed"...really. So no one can really thump their chest as a clear victor.

Pro Street vs. Pro Tour.

That's the way I see it, anyway...

What happened to LOWDOWN?

LOWDOWN · 06-21-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

OMG....for the first time in the history of man (or at least this site and CZ28) I can completely and totally publically agree with you!

It really does come down to writing that check though....or not.

Bob, I called this one Pro Street vs. Pro Tour months ago...honest.

Check writers...the only customer GM and Ford REALLY care about...

Now, go cut a .001 R/T, pound all the gears, and tickle that WIN light!

LOWDOWN · 06-21-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by A-little-perspective

What happened to LOWDOWN?

Same ol' same ol', pal.

Now cut 'n paste this over in svtLand...some of those folks may have the wrong impression, too...

LOWDOWN · 06-21-2012, 12:58 PM

P.S.

[don't know if I should divulge this...ahh, what the hell]

I'm a published auto journo...

...and obviously I enjoy the "process"...

Bob Cosby · 06-21-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Now cut 'n paste this over in svtLand...some of those folks may have the wrong impression, too...

Done. But there will be no impressions changed....I didn't overtly cite the source. Want to see responses... :fighting0040:

P.S. of my own....sadly, no racing in quite some time. Life intervened...lol. Do want to breath on the LS3 a bit (cam-only type stuff) and have some fun though...perhaps this fall....

LOWDOWN · 06-21-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cobrakon

i think you mean the camaro and the corvette are considered a woman's car.

...just when we were achieving some "concensus"...

C5RocksC5 · 06-21-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

The "problem" with analyzing and writing about ANYTHING is, personal preferences always come to the fore. Just a fact...

If YOU wrote this article (and YOU can be anyone!), you approach the subject matter with your own skillsets and life experiences intact.

The other "problem" is, when you try to write about something where there is NO real definitive loser (road course time differential = drag strip differential; ride and handling on the street is very subjective...some want their teeth jarred, some don't

) AND try to give everyone "something" to feel great about, you then end up truly satisfying NO ONE. Completely. Right?

That was the reason I added the "Dairy Queen" showdown scenario...

Again, in this dog fight, no one was "killed"...really. So no one can really thump their chest as a clear victor.

Pro Street vs. Pro Tour.

That's the way I see it, anyway...

SlingShot · 06-21-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cobrakon

i think you mean the camaro and the corvette are considered a woman's car. just ask my wife.

The thing about that is, the woman is always right ... Just ask your wife !!!

2cnd chance · 06-21-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

No surprises then. If you can only have one car get the ZL1, it's better. But if like me you have several, get the GT500. It's simply insane. And for some of us that makes it perfect.

Nice!!!

Fenderaddict2 · 06-21-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

The "problem" with analyzing and writing about ANYTHING is, personal preferences always come to the fore. Just a fact...

If YOU wrote this article (and YOU can be anyone!), you approach the subject matter with your own skillsets and life experiences intact.

The other "problem" is, when you try to write about something where there is NO real definitive loser (road course time differential = drag strip differential; ride and handling on the street is very subjective...some want their teeth jarred, some don't

) AND try to give everyone "something" to feel great about, you then end up truly satisfying NO ONE. Completely. Right?

That was the reason I added the "Dairy Queen" showdown scenario...

Again, in this dog fight, no one was "killed"...really. So no one can really thump their chest as a clear victor.

Pro Street vs. Pro Tour.

That's the way I see it, anyway...

Wow, I think I am in complete agreement with you on this.

101fng · 06-21-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...by a "One-Trick Pony"...

NO optional "packages" required for the ZL1...made ONE way, for a "balanced" experience. As intended, by GM. As expected, by customers seeking "The Hugger"...

Stick around...Motor Trend, and others as confirmation, to follow...

wouldn't it be nice if GM offered an optional drag package for the ZL1? a couple optional items and i'm sure the ZL1 could easily take the gt500, but sadly, GM doesn't offer any drag oriented options, whereas, ford does offer some suspension upgrades for those that prefer roads with turns.

and because the gt500 isn't AS FAST as the ZL1 around a road course, it's a one trick pony? it still makes it around the track MUCH faster than some other similarly priced cars. i would never call the ZL1 a one trick pony just because it's slower to the 1320 than the gt500. it is still fast as shit on the quarter. so why do you apply a label like that to a car that is not deserving of such a label?

edit: maybe i should have read the rest of the thread lol

seriously though, GM needs to introduce an optional pulley upgrade for the 2013's and ford needs to offer a X brace option like the LS boss. X brace and fatter meats on the 500, and a pulley on ZL1, will make for an even closer race. both straight line and around the track.

2cnd chance · 06-21-2012, 02:07 PM

They're both great cars. However, I think GM has made the more "saleable" car between the two.

BTW, I agree with LD on the Pro-Tour & Pro-Street comment.

evolve · 06-21-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cobrakon

can't disagree with that. sorry gotta go the wife's calling.

Lol^

06-21-2012, 12:47 PM	#261
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 3,236	The "problem" with analyzing and writing about ANYTHING is, personal preferences always come to the fore. Just a fact... If YOU wrote this article (and YOU can be anyone!), you approach the subject matter with your own skillsets and life experiences intact. The other "problem" is, when you try to write about something where there is NO real definitive loser (road course time differential = drag strip differential; ride and handling on the street is very subjective...some want their teeth jarred, some don't ) AND try to give everyone "something" to feel great about, you then end up truly satisfying NO ONE. Completely. Right? That was the reason I added the "Dairy Queen" showdown scenario... Again, in this dog fight, no one was "killed"...really. So no one can really thump their chest as a clear victor. Pro Street vs. Pro Tour. That's the way I see it, anyway... __________________ . *"It's what you learn, after* you know everything, that's really important" ... Sam Foose . "NOTHING matters...until you CARE"** ... and that's a LOWDOWN Truth "GOOD ENOUGH"...NEVER IS...another LOWDOWN Truth. *"STAY TUNED"*

06-21-2012, 12:58 PM	#266
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 3,236	P.S. [don't know if I should divulge this...ahh, what the hell] I'm a published auto journo... ...and obviously I enjoy the "process"... __________________ . *"It's what you learn, after* you know everything, that's really important" ... Sam Foose . "NOTHING matters...until you CARE"** ... and that's a LOWDOWN Truth "GOOD ENOUGH"...NEVER IS...another LOWDOWN Truth. *"STAY TUNED"*

06-21-2012, 02:07 PM	#274
2cnd chance It Will Be Mine Drives: A 2014 Z28 or a C7? Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 4,232	They're both great cars. However, I think GM has made the more "saleable" car between the two. BTW, I agree with LD on the Pro-Tour & Pro-Street comment.