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Old 05-18-2009, 06:37 PM   #1
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NEED INFO ON MODS?

How can I mod a 2ss and still keep a warrenty for 3yrs?
I want to put a supercharger on it and an exhaust trying to get to
550to600 hp without voiding the warrenty. is this possible?

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Old 05-18-2009, 06:39 PM   #2
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supercharger & keeping the full warranty don't go in the same sentence. sorry, bud
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:44 PM   #3
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I am sure Lingenfelter has a warranty that goes along with there SC setup.
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:45 PM   #4
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zr1 has a supercharger and it has a warrenty.
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:50 PM   #5
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GM warranties their work,.....not yours. The other companies such as Lingenfelter warranty their mod work....but you lose your GM warranty when you do major upgrades to the motor like S/C...T/C yourself or local shop
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:05 PM   #6
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zr1 has a supercharger and it has a warrenty.
Yes that is because it is made by GM, if you put a supercharger from company X on your Camaro it will void the warranty.
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Old 05-19-2009, 02:06 AM   #7
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The warranty isn't Voided. IF a part fails and the dealership can prove or suspects that the modification, no matter what it is; (i.e radio, short throw shifter, oversized tires) they COULD choose not warranty the repair and its up to you to foot the bill.
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Old 05-19-2009, 04:31 AM   #8
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Im goin to say that the only mods that will not affect the warrenty are CAI and Exhaust.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:02 AM   #9
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U/D Pully's, headers, exhaust, CAI, tune. You should be good.
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Old 05-20-2009, 04:12 AM   #10
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Doesn't full headers Void parts of the warranty due moving O2 sensors and such???
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Old 05-20-2009, 01:47 PM   #11
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In the USA, review the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))

This federal law regulates warranties for the protection of consumers. The essence of the law concerning aftermarket auto parts is that a vehicle manufacturer may not condition a written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle maker's brand) unless the parts or service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided. The law states in relevant part:

“No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name...” (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))

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I don't see what Magnusson-Ross has to do with any of this. The moment you tamper with the factory work you are liable to have your warranty voided, especially if it can be proven that whatever parts have failed are related to whatever tampering you may have done. Something rudimentary like doing your oil change yourself, not putting enough oil in or not tightening the filter correctly (and consequently having oil pissing all over the place), and then going in because of heat damage in your engine block can void your warranty.

Alot of things can void your warranty and for the record, Magnusson-Ross is only there to make sure the written warranty is comprehensible for anyone and everyone. The other parts of the act are minor and often overlooked by courts. Remember that 90% of law is based on the interpretation of the court which will vary greatly according to who is presiding and what level of government is overseeing the affair.

In short, if you supercharge your engine to 600whp, you will have your warranty voided if something breaks and even if you remove it, they will find out and even worse you could be prosecuted for trying to con them.
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Old 05-20-2009, 02:02 PM   #13
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U/D Pully's, headers, exhaust, CAI, tune. You should be good.
Not anymore! If you have a drivetrain failure (engine, trans, rear diff...) As of May 18th they are now required to verify that the ecu has not been recalibrated and show proof. If the dealer finds that it has been reflashed with a non gm calibration they will void the powertrain warranty before they start any work on your vehicle! Trust me I just slipped in under this one and found this out today! I had a valve spring break and drop the valve which all went to hell from there and wound up with a very large hole in the block. I got approved on the 14th for a new engine which arrived on the 15th and it's now running again. The dealer told me had this happened any later I would have been buying this one.
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After working in a Ford and Dodge dealership for 4-5 years in the aftermarket department....I will just say this. Be prepared for your warranty to be voided if its not a factory part that is factory installed OR if its a GM/Ford/Dodge part that is installed by a dealer certified installer and the part must come with its OWN warranty from GM/Ford/Dodge. This will be the only way you will have a fighting chance with or without the Magnuson-Moss Act....
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The warranty isn't Voided. IF a part fails and the dealership can prove or suspects that the modification, no matter what it is; (i.e radio, short throw shifter, oversized tires) they COULD choose not warranty the repair and its up to you to foot the bill.
Above is correct. I have had a few experiences with modded Chevys under warranty. No such thing a "losing the warranty". What can happen is that a specific warranty claim for a failed part can be denied.

Some examples for me have been taking my Silverado in to the Dealer when the front axle spindles failed. Since I had lifted my truck 12" and was running 110 lbs. Interco Super Swamper tires, the Dealer charged me for parts and labor to replace the front spindles. My bad, I paid.

Some months later when my water pump died, the Dealer replaced it under warranty as the lifted suspension and tires were not to blame. GM covered this and a later replacement of a power window motor.

If you supercharge your motor and the motor, tranny or rear-end breaks, it should be on you to fix it. Your bad, not GM's. But if you are supercharged and some other non-related parts fail, GM will cover the repair.
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If you supercharge your motor and the motor, tranny or rear-end breaks, it should be on you to fix it. Your bad, not GM's. But if you are supercharged and some other non-related parts fail, GM will cover the repair.
I didn't think it was necessary to mention that if your stereo kaputs, it is likely not due to your supercharger.
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I didn't think it was necessary to mention that if your stereo kaputs, it is likely not due to your supercharger.
If you build a 550-600 HP motor, expect to pay for the repairs that will be required. Don't expect GM to pay for you breaking your toy. Modding to these levels can/does turn your ride into a money pit. Ask me how I know

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If you are going to mod, then you will pay. We stang owners can get over because Saleen, Roush, and Whipple all have ford contracts and honor their work with Ford. Hell the supercharger kit from Ford is made by Whipple !

Even then it needs to be approved and installed by a Ford dealership. In my case, I talked to my dealership, bought the Saleen Supershaker, and had the installed approved by a Ford tech. I still have my warranty in place. Now if I would have gone KB, or ATI for example.....or Turbo....

Sometimes.....and I do mean sometimes....your speed shop can talk to the dealer and they will have a little side deal worked out. I know many shops down here in S.Fla have deals work out like that with the bigger Ford dealerships. Heck the big Chevy shop in FT Lauderdale..(i forget the name) has a speed shop and a DYNO !!! So I guess having them do the install would not be a issue.

Just work out the details first and see what happens. In the end, the delearships are the ones who reports your warranty voided..
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In the end, the delearships are the ones who reports your warranty voided..
The warranty can not be voided. That is the whole point of my post above. The most that can be done is that a specific repair or set of repairs not be covered under warranty. Were you to pay to have the engine/drive train/ecu/whatever restored to 'factory' condition (at your cost) then if it failed again while in 'factory' condition then it would be covered under warranty.

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