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Old 06-27-2012, 10:59 AM   #51
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And the ZL1 was still declared the winner, by several reviews now. Although the GT500 is a great car, its overpriced and still not quite as good as the ZL1.
Yes it has been awarded the #1 spot by 4 magazines but lost 85% percent of the performance tests as shown in that list. Happens to the ZO6 all the time too tho.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:59 AM   #52
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What about an Auto ZL1? Does any one think the magazines would pick the Auto Z against the GT500. We all keep asking about the base GT500 what about the auto Z that a large percentage have bought.
Good point, GM claims the auto is quicker, lets see if this holds true
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The ZL1 holding 1.27g @ 111mph.... wow! That is planted, solid
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:03 AM   #54
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Yes it has been awarded the #1 spot by 4 magazines but lost 85% percent of the performance tests as shown in that list. Happens to the ZO6 all the time too tho.
Just cannot succumb to the fact the ZL1 is a better all around performer A true GT car that can be driven comfortably to work, and then taken to the track without having to spend money on any upgrades. Furthermore, the warranty is honered at the track as well.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:03 AM   #55
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Wow crazy when considering its a 4 door chasis handling like a porche!
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What about an Auto ZL1? Does any one think the magazines would pick the Auto Z against the GT500. We all keep asking about the base GT500 what about the auto Z that a large percentage have bought.
I don't think so. even if the .1 tenth in the quarter gm claims happens that still puts it .4 behind in the drag race.

I don't think the auto will be faster around a track.

If you want an auto though you can't even get it in the shelby so at that point epic fail ford.

the corbra jet has an auto.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:07 AM   #57
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It failed the most important test... at the dragstrip.. Car is too heavy..
Most important test for you. I find corners to be exceptionally fun and far more important.
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If GM was offering an $8000 dollar power package to match the $8000 dollar performance package that the reviewers always seem to include when comparing the ZL1 to the GT500 would this make it closer to an apples to apples test or should they be testing both vehicles at base price?

Or does everyone, including Ford fans, think it is fair comparing a $64,770 GT500 against a $56,365 ZL1?

most zl1s end up being like 60k after all the options and guzzler taxes. But even at 5k difference we should be able to make a faster car when dollar to dollar is equal. I just read an article comparing a ctsv and m5 and there is something like a 20k prrice difference. Its hard to compare dollar for dollar with most modern cars.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:08 AM   #59
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Just cannot succumb to the fact the ZL1 is a better all around performer A true GT car that can be driven comfortably to work, and then taken to the track without having to spend money on any upgrades. Furthermore, the warranty is honered at the track as well.
Haha no just think they are both amazing cars. I think the Z just needs more speed. Being left at every stop light would get old. Outside looks of the Z and road manners/handling are a 10/10 I think.
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most zl1s end up being like 60k after all the options and guzzler taxes. But even at 5k difference we should be able to make a faster car when dollar to dollar is equal. I just read an article comparing a ctsv and m5 and there is something like a 20k prrice difference. Its hard to compare dollar for dollar with most modern cars.
$56,001 out the door for me. TP/PP car was 61,450 best price I could find. that is 5.5k and the car is burning down in 3 laps no thank you.
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Rez333 put up a nice comparison results chart. I am surprised it is being ignored.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:12 AM   #62
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The Shelby has options the Z doesn't have that do nothing for performance. Glass top, NAV, car covers, subwoofers don't count. It's about a 5K price difference between the two.
They probably had the recaros. Perf pack, track pack, and recaros would be the bulk of the price increase. All performance related options.
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Rez333 put up a nice comparison results chart. I am surprised it is being ignored.

that chart is exaclty what is wrong with the internet. It is all about numbers and not reality.

when I go to a track day I don't go there to run one hard lap.

they could put a chart up like that for the 2012 GT500 vs 2012 Boss 302.

the shelby wins the performance tests but every driver says they would own the boss.

if you like corners the Gt500 has issue period. always has. you can mod around them though.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:15 AM   #64
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$56,001 out the door for me. TP/PP car was 61,450 best price I could find. that is 5.5k and the car is burning down in 3 laps no thank you.
Do you think $40 dollars in dryer ducting would stop the car from burning down lol? It looks as if that may help the ford. Bigger question is are the smaller rear brakes having an effect.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:19 AM   #65
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$56,001 out the door for me. TP/PP car was 61,450 best price I could find. that is 5.5k and the car is burning down in 3 laps no thank you.

I agree about the price diff being about 5k. For that 5k you can have prob 630 hp from the zl1 which should even things out.

I still think a used viper or z06 is a way better track car.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:20 AM   #66
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Rez333 put up a nice comparison results chart. I am surprised it is being ignored.
In my opinion that "comparison" chart is not useful to most here, and that's why it is being ignored.

For example, the chart has 11 effectively repetitive straight line acceleration comparisons.

The GT500 is faster than the ZL1 in straight line acceleration. That's not news, and I don't think that's a surprise to most who are familiar with these two vehicles.

There's no need to show the results of essentially redundant straight line acceleration comparisons 11 different times.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:21 AM   #67
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In my opinion that "comparison" chart is not useful to most here, and that's why it is being ignored. The chart has 11 effectively repetitive straight line acceleration comparisons.

The GT500 is faster than the ZL1 in straight line acceleration. That's not news, and I don't think that's a surprise to most who are familiar with these two vehicles.

There's no need to show the results of essentially redundant straight line acceleration comparisons 11 different times.
I get what you mean but the chart has track results, braking, slalom, etc. as well. I want the ZL1 to win very category but I am just trying to be open minded as possible.
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they also said the camaro was less bumpy and a more better car for long drives....love my camaro...but the ford guys are not to far behind.
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Haha no just think they are both amazing cars. I think the Z just needs more speed. Being left at every stop light would get old. Outside looks of the Z and road manners/handling are a 10/10 I think.
Ya, I plan on intercooler, CAI, pullies and tune, maybe headers. Should help a lot.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:33 AM   #71
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Ya, I plan on intercooler, CAI, pullies and tune, maybe headers. Should help a lot.
If i was buying a Z these would be my exact mods. Tint the windows plus those mods and put gas in it every 5 days and drive the Sh*t out of it.
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I hear you man.. i respect your opinion ..!

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that chart is exaclty what is wrong with the internet. It is all about numbers and not reality....
One could make a pretty good arguement that numbers ARE reality, I think. One could also make a good arguement that there is more to comparing a couple of cars than those numbers, which I'm sure is your take - and a quite valid one indeed.

And finally, one could argue that the chart is being mostly ignored because the numbers aren't what the majority of this audience wishes to see.
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