Track Fun: ZL1 and GT500... different scene

[evolve]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Was that a 458 Italia or Viper? Watching in a iPhone 3 and can't make it out. In either case, that's the car I want to replace the Boss.

That car was sex on wheels lol. It was a 458

[oortcloud]

So basically Van 1 - Torq 0.

And Torq did a pulley tune, right? If he was a skilled driver he should been able to hold his own without it.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

So basically Van 1 - Torq 0.

And Torq did a pulley tune, right? If he was a skilled driver he should been able to hold his own without it.

If he is pulleid town, that may have contributed to the reported heat soak issues. The driver of the zl1 is plenty skilled. Looks like a fluid change on the gt500 works well.

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

If he is pulleid town, that may have contributed to the reported heat soak issues. The driver of the zl1 is plenty skilled.

I really don't know the actual skill level of either driver. Van mentioned he was an instructor so obviously he has quite a bit of experience.

If I had my zl1 and someone of equal skill challenged me in a gt500, the last mod I would do is pulley tune. In fact, I don't plan any HP mods to my zl1 right away.

It's moderately straight forward to reduce about 200 lbs. That's where I would start. This will by default improve acceleration, handling, and braking. And if its rotational weight, such as flywheel, then that's free HP. This also has a very low chance of introducing a problem (ie heat soak).

But I don't know, maybe the Torq already did that.

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by evolve

The passenger was screaming like a banshee.

Originally Posted by pdari

Well I guess thats it, as real world as it gets without biased reviewers. I wonder how this is going to get spun around.

like a stripper on a pole

Originally Posted by evolve

That car was sex on wheels lol. It was a 458

[zero]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

If he is pulleid town, that may have contributed to the reported heat soak issues. The driver of the zl1 is plenty skilled. Looks like a fluid change on the gt500 works well.

you do realise that the torq ZL1 has an larger aftermarket H.E ?

[evolve]

Originally Posted by zero

you do realise that the torq ZL1 has an larger aftermarket H.E ?

Correct. If im not mistaken gears as well. The GT had an email tune (good for ~25-30rwhp) which put Van at about 610ish hp and he did a fluid change. The Z didnt have power mods that I know of. One more thing, according to quite a few people here Torq has a very good auto x driver, he isnt as talented at the strip as many have seen

[SGOS252382]

Good vid.
But unless both cars were stock, the comparison isn't really valid.

But with the setup each car had, the GT500 pulled on the ZL1 like it was sitting still.

[evolve]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Good vid.
But unless both cars were stock, the comparison isn't really valid.

But with the setup each car had, the GT500 pulled on the ZL1 like it was sitting still.

This wasnt really a comparo, just some fun both cars had at the track. The Z is doing well minus heat soak issues which Torq is making some good stuff to address that. The GT looks sharp which many didnt think was possible.

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by zero

you do realise that the torq ZL1 has an larger aftermarket H.E ?

Yep, I assumed he would have the HE and maybe a more powerful pump. But some people, such as me, are waiting to see the effectiveness of this on a road course where you already have a large continuous amount of airflow. At a strip with fans it seems like it could definately help recover faster.

I hope it does help prevent or reduce pulled timing on a road course. If so, I'll definately buy it.

Also didn't realize this was a test and tune for the zl1. Hope they get the kinks worked out and then a rematch.

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

So basically Van 1 - Torq 0.

And Torq did a pulley tune, right? If he was a skilled driver he should been able to hold his own without it.

Wow....quite the slam.

[zero]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

So basically Van 1 - Torq 0.

And Torq did a pulley tune, right? If he was a skilled driver he should been able to hold his own without it.

looking forward to your track vids to show us how all how it`s done then..

But Wait ...........

you don`t even own a ZL1 so go back to playing Forza on your Xbox

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by zero

looking forward to your track vids to show us how all how it`s done then..

But Wait ...........

you don`t even own a ZL1 so go back to playing Forza on your Xbox

The original goal, I thought, was to pit these 2 cars against each other since the gt500 supporters here were getting irritated with the unfairness of the biased mags.

The result wasn't anything close to a decent comparison. Sorry if it offended anyone, but that's how I see it.

It's unbelievable to see the ford bs here sometimes. "Just put some better brake fluid and boom it's fixed." I feel like I'm on a mustang forum some days.

Honestly, I'm done here. It's really irritating to be supportive of my car when so many people try to knock the zl1 continuously.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

I feel like I'm on a mustang forum some days.

It pretty much is a Mustang forum. Not good Mustang owners, either. It's the really bad ones who won't let a discussion die until they've either killed it, or "their car" "won".

Lol, just look how many times that video was posted on the forums. Apparently the ZL1 driver has way better etiquette than most of the "car guys", because he at least let's some things pass by.

[Mr. Unassailable]

I am one of those guys that "knock the ZL1". But I'm not really knocking the ZL1, just trying to knock the chip off the shoulder of the GM drunk people. I drive a Camaro 2SS/RS, the ZL1 is greater than that. What bothers me is constantly hearing people twist the ZL1 everytime the GT500 beats it in a particular category. You bought a ZL1 because you like it. I bought a Taurus SHO ($48k sticker) because I like it, I dont get bent out of shape when people tell me its not as fast as I wanted it to be.

[jdenotter]

Originally Posted by Mr. Unassailable

I am one of those guys that "knock the ZL1". But I'm not really knocking the ZL1, just trying to knock the chip off the shoulder of the GM drunk people. I drive a Camaro 2SS/RS, the ZL1 is greater than that. What bothers me is constantly hearing people twist the ZL1 everytime the GT500 beats it in a particular category. You bought a ZL1 because you like it. I bought a Taurus SHO ($48k sticker) because I like it, I dont get bent out of shape when people tell me its not as fast as I wanted it to be.

+1

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[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by evolve

This wasnt really a comparo, just some fun both cars had at the track. The Z is doing well minus heat soak issues which Torq is making some good stuff to address that. The GT looks sharp which many didnt think was possible.

According to the other threads, it looks more like they were doing more testing than racing or challenging each other. Can't wait till they both take it to the track for some true real world racing.

Originally Posted by Mr. Unassailable

I am one of those guys that "knock the ZL1". But I'm not really knocking the ZL1, just trying to knock the chip off the shoulder of the GM drunk people. I drive a Camaro 2SS/RS, the ZL1 is greater than that. What bothers me is constantly hearing people twist the ZL1 everytime the GT500 beats it in a particular category. You bought a ZL1 because you like it. I bought a Taurus SHO ($48k sticker) because I like it, I dont get bent out of shape when people tell me its not as fast as I wanted it to be.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by zero

you do realise that the torq ZL1 has an larger aftermarket H.E ?

Yes, but a larger heat exchanger may not be enough, and according to Torq in the other thread it wasn't. When you pulley down you are spinning the blower higher and generating a lot more heat. It's not just the added heat of compressing the air further, but you are pushing to the upper limits of the efficiency of the blower. Torq said they had some heat soak problems thanks to upping the boost.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

The original goal, I thought, was to pit these 2 cars against each other since the gt500 supporters here were getting irritated with the unfairness of the biased mags.

The result wasn't anything close to a decent comparison. Sorry if it offended anyone, but that's how I see it.

It's unbelievable to see the ford bs here sometimes. "Just put some better brake fluid and boom it's fixed." I feel like I'm on a mustang forum some days.

Honestly, I'm done here. It's really irritating to be supportive of my car when so many people try to knock the zl1 continuously.

What wasn't decent about it? The zl1 heatsoaked so it wasn't as fast as people expected. That's a good indicator that just slapping on the smallest pulley isn't going to yield the results some wanted on a road course and extra cooling mods will be necessary. This is how people learn what mods they will and won't want to do and how new products are introduced to the aftermarket. That's probably the most valuable bit of information for ZL1 owners that are going to track their car out of any tests so far. Torq said they want to make a reservoir for the blower, sounds like something that many zl1 owners with power mods will want. That's GOOD for the community. It also showed that the gt500 will benefit from a different fluid. That doesn't mean it's never going to experience brake fade with better fluid, but it will help.

[Fenderaddict2]

I saw this as two car guys having fun for the day, learning a lot about there cars most of which they will take back to further mod there cars. It wasn't a race but a track day test and tune, so no winners or losers even if the GT500 seemed to have the advantage this time. Erik seems both cool and smart, I'm sure he will be back faster than ever and with info to benefit all.

[Bob Cosby]

That is the way virtually all the road course stuff will be - cars being driven hard around a track, basically running against the clock, not each other.

[A-little-perspective]

This wasn't ZL1 vs. GT500.

This was GT500 vs. brake fade and ZL1 vs. heat soak.
Looks like the GT500 won its battle.

Car brand aside, this sort of proves magazines have an agenda and provide or withhold information to support it.

[Fenderaddict2]

Buy what makes you happy and suits your needs. Recently thanks to online and magazine reviews and backed by a gent who tracks his car far more than mine I switched from the original Pirellis to Bridgestones. And then proceeded to scare the crap outta myself the last track day. Because here in cooler Ontario on Mosport as opposed to elsewhere I found the turn-in and bite greatly improved at the loss of rear end traction and stability. Now I long for the inferior Pirellis and my comfort level with them. Love Camaros, buy the best one you can afford. Love Mustangs, ditto? Trying to choose between them, then ignore everything you've heard or read, try and get seat time in both and pick without reservation from there.

[dekan513]

if u read the youtube replies the gt500 guy said had had a few things done to the car, one being he changed the fluids.

[The IOM Ninja]

Which is what anyone serious about racing will/should do.